Player Suggestion Lucas Akins

[1danewhitehouse]

Watching some of Burton v Birmingham last night, this guy appears to have the pace and power we lack in attacking areas. He also appears to be a hard working team player. I was impressed when Burton beat us at the lane on the way to promotion but wouldn't have been achievable in League 1. Burton are one of very few clubs we might be able outmuscle financially at this level and we have the carrot of Brantford to use too. Thoughts?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Yeah, I watched the second half of their game yesterday. Thought Akins was decent &, like you, I rate him generally - reckon he'd be a decent piece of the jigsaw here.

Could also see why there's so much interest in Jackson Irvine - not the most elegant, but very effective & influential.

Sordell was excellent too, I thought. A player who's gone through the mill, but has admirably worked his way back up to play at Championship level.

So, a few of them that I'd have covetous eyes on.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Lloyd dyer looked a player aswell

 

[Stretch]

And Sordell. Liked the look of him when we beat Cov away last season.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

we don't want to go back down

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Johnathan Forte scores today.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Johnathan Forte scores today.

& Porter

 

[Blade56]

We need the athleticism young black players have that our European players don't have.

Look at manure yesterday, how many black players and they looked good. Fancy them for honours this year.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

We need the athleticism young black players have that our European players don't have.

Look at manure yesterday, how many black players and they looked good. Fancy them for honours this year.

I do hope you were hoping (failing) to be ironic !!!!!! But even then the 19C must be missing your 'views'
Your avatar does bear resemblance to POTUS however
Lets start with the notion that "young black players" aren't / can't be "European" .

 

[Blade56]

I do hope you were hoping (failing) to be ironic !!!!!! But even then the 19C must be missing your 'views'
Your avatar does bear resemblance to POTUS however
Lets start with the notion that "young black players" aren't / can't be "European" .

Oh no, a new poster who thinks he can tell other posters they are being racist just because I differentiated in skin colour. If I called them tall or short what would the reaction be
Get feckin real, the point is the young black players are generally much more athletic and I gives team an edge fact, not ironic, not racist just fact

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Oh no, a new poster who thinks he can tell other posters they are being racist just because I differentiated in skin colour. If I called them tall or short what would the reaction be
Get feckin real, the point is the young black players are generally much more athletic and I gives team an edge fact, not ironic, not racist just fact

Not sure my longevity (on the thread) has any relevance
Let's try again:
Assuming that the black players that impressed you for manure included:
Martial - French (European)
Pogba - French (European)
Lukaku - Belgian (European)
Rashford - English (European)
Or, to put it in even more parochial terms
Walker - Blade; Sheffielder; Yorkshireman; English ; British; (European)

To get "feckin real" needs understanding that skin colour & ethnicity are not the same thing & equating the two is inherently racist

 

[Blade56]

Not sure my longevity (on the thread) has any relevance
Let's try again:
Assuming that the black players that impressed you for manure included:
Martial - French (European)
Pogba - French (European)
Lukaku - Belgian (European)
Rashford - English (European)
Or, to put it in even more parochial terms
Walker - Blade; Sheffielder; Yorkshireman; English ; British; (European)

To get "feckin real" needs understanding that skin colour & ethnicity are not the same thing & equating the two is inherently racist

Ok, forgetting that we have Anestry DNA testing at our fingertips and I should have collected samples for your edification before being so sloppy in my detailed analysis I meant to say players with black skin potentially of African decent.

It was a feckin casual observation I was chucking out there as a view from a simpleton Yorkshireman on a football forum. Pinchy has some reight completion these days.

 

[Pinchy]

Ok, forgetting that we have Anestry DNA testing at our fingertips and I should have collected samples for your edification before being so sloppy in my detailed analysis I meant to say players with black skin potentially of African decent.

It was a feckin casual observation I was chucking out there as a view from a simpleton Yorkshireman on a football forum. Pinchy has some reight completion these days.

What have I done now, when I'm not doing anything?...

 

[JohnDenver]

 

[Blade56]

What have I done now, when I'm not doing anything?...

Yes

 

[Chali 2na]

I do hope you were hoping (failing) to be ironic !!!!!! But even then the 19C must be missing your 'views'
Your avatar does bear resemblance to POTUS however
Lets start with the notion that "young black players" aren't / can't be "European" .

I think B58's post was heavy handed and poorly explained.

His assertion that black people are generally more athletic than white Europeans isn't unfounded though.

 

[Blade58]

I think B58's post was heavy handed and poorly explained.

His assertion that black people are generally more athletic than white Europeans isn't unfounded though.

scuse me

you got usernames mixed up?

not guilty your honour

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Asians use naan bread as shin pads.

Fight me.

 

[Th!stledo]

I think B58's post was heavy handed and poorly explained.

His assertion that black people are generally more athletic than white Europeans isn't unfounded though.

In regards to professional athletes I think that is a very large generalisation and stereotyping that does not stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Chali 2na]

scuse me

you got usernames mixed up?

not guilty your honour

Oops, my apologies 58

In regards to professional athletes I think that is a very large generalisation and stereotyping that does not stand up to scrutiny.

You're right in a sense that it is a generalisation, the subject is complex though and the generalisation seemed necessary to condense my post.

In regards to proffesional athletes, you may think it doesn't add up to scrutiny, but I disagree. (Well, in a case of a few sports)

I've already had this discussion on here before (the assertion that there are genetic characteristics that make different races more adept to different sports) in this thread: https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/john-akinde.46961/ should you care what I think.

 

[SteveBlade]

Black people are generally quicker, this simply can not be disputed.

I also believe that in general, black people have the ability to achieve athletic physiques with less training due to genetics. Again, in general. I know plenty of people from all races who are genetically gifted.

There's a point with athletes where it somewhat levels out. But when I was a teenager, playing sports with other teenagers who have never seriously trained, the difference in athletic abilities, both in practice and just visually was clear as day.

 

[Th!stledo]

Oops, my apologies 58



You're right in a sense that it is a generalisation, the subject is complex though and the generalisation seemed necessary to condense my post.

In regards to proffesional athletes, you may think it doesn't add up to scrutiny, but I disagree. (Well, in a case of a few sports)

I've already had this discussion on here before (the assertion that there are genetic characteristics that make different races more adept to different sports) in this thread: https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/john-akinde.46961/ should you care what I think.

Having read that thread I understand the point you're making and in the case of long distance running it is hard to fault your thinking. But as a science it would not stand up to scrutiny, because like you said, it is a complex subject covering wide ranging factors.

In regards to football, where there is so much money available to find the best of the best. If certain races have qualities that make them excel at football then surely all the top leagues in Europe would be dominated by their players?

 

[Blade56]

Black people are generally quicker, this simply can not be disputed.

I also believe that in general, black people have the ability to achieve athletic physiques with less training due to genetics. Again, in general. I know plenty of people from all races who are genetically gifted.

There's a point with athletes where it somewhat levels out. But when I was a teenager, playing sports with other teenagers who have never seriously trained, the difference in athletic abilities, both in practice and just visually was clear as day.

Oh you are in so much shit with Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn

 

[FinchleyBlade]

Black people are generally quicker, this simply can not be disputed.

I also believe that in general, black people have the ability to achieve athletic physiques with less training due to genetics. Again, in general. I know plenty of people from all races who are genetically gifted.

There's a point with athletes where it somewhat levels out. But when I was a teenager, playing sports with other teenagers who have never seriously trained, the difference in athletic abilities, both in practice and just visually was clear as day.

Higher amounts of twitch fibre muscle, increased bone density, larger lung capacity (north African anyway, hence the long distance runners).

All proven biological differences. It may make people feel nice and warm inside saying 'we're all the same', but in reality its not really the truth.

The reason it isn't a subject that's discussed often is because of the fears it can lead down the path of talking about other potential inherit genetic differences, such as in intelligence.

 

[mancunianblade]

Saying peoples rights differ due to skin colour is racist

Saying people have different genetic make up is just Scientific fact.

 

[FinchleyBlade]

Not sure my longevity (on the thread) has any relevance
Let's try again:
Assuming that the black players that impressed you for manure included:
Martial - French (European)
Pogba - French (European)
Lukaku - Belgian (European)
Rashford - English (European)
Or, to put it in even more parochial terms
Walker - Blade; Sheffielder; Yorkshireman; English ; British; (European)

To get "feckin real" needs understanding that skin colour & ethnicity are not the same thing & equating the two is inherently racist

Stating 'facts' is not racist.

Ethnic Europeans are White, Ethnic Africans are black. There are proven physical differences between the two groups, as you can see watching any world stage athletics sprinting event. I believe that was the point he was making. Not that any of them do not belong in Europe or cannot be considered European because they're non-white.

Or are we now at the point where saying Native Europeans are White people is considered 'racist' to people like you?

Out of interest, do you also consider it 'racist' to say that Africans are Black and Asians are Asian and that is where those people originally come from? There are 4 million Whites in South Africa but do you consider them Native Africans? I would hazard a guess you do not.

Apologies for derailing the thread but this kind of thing really grinds my gears.

 

[Chali 2na]

Having read that thread I understand the point you're making and in the case of long distance running it is hard to fault your thinking. But as a science it would not stand up to scrutiny, because like you said, it is a complex subject covering wide ranging factors.

In regards to football, where there is so much money available to find the best of the best. If certain races have qualities that make them excel at football then surely all the top leagues in Europe would be dominated by their players?

In regards specific races dominating Europe's top leagues: there's a multitude of reasons why this doesn't happen (domestic player rules, work permit rules, cultural factors) which I thought would be obvious.
Also, physicality is only one facet of being a professional footballer, so a physical advantage isn't as important as a pure test of athleticism, like running.

 

[Th!stledo]

In regards specific races dominating Europe's top leagues: there's a multitude of reasons why this doesn't happen (domestic player rules, work permit rules, cultural factors) which I thought would be obvious.
Also, physicality is only one facet of being a professional footballer, so a physical advantage isn't as important as a pure test of athleticism, like running.

The 'multitude of reasons' also apply to South American countries and to a certain extent, other European countries

As to using running as one of 'a pure test of athleticism', as already been said, it is a complex subject covering wide ranging factors such as lifestyles and facilities available.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So……………………………………………………………………………………………………….. Lucas Akins, any good?

Could we use Funny little John as a makeweight to tempt Funny Little Nigel?

 

[Chali 2na]

The 'multitude of reasons' also apply to South American countries and to a certain extent, other European countries

As to using running as one of 'a pure test of athleticism', as already been said, it is a complex subject covering wide ranging factors such as lifestyles and facilities available.

Must admit, I'm a little confused by your post:
You asked me why players of a given race don't dominate European domestic leagues, I gave you an [obvious] answer and you reply by telling me that those conditions apply to South America?

As for your second paragraph, I have already acknowledged that there are other factors - I'm well aware of the sociological reasons why certain nations (such as Kenya) produce great athletes.

All I'm saying is that some of the physical attributes/characteristics of any human being are a result of their genetics and ethnic group. Occasionally this will result in a sporting advantage.