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I am re reading Brian Clough's book and am struck by the way he and Taylor formed such a close bond and as we all know the rest is history

IMO Clough was the best manager and relied on Taylor to source players who Clough made Special. Like Wilder and Knell, Clough and Taylor started to manage lower league club and worked their way to the pinnacle of success.

It is early days but W and K are showing similar traits to those shown by Clough
How far can they take us. Will history repeat itself? P S for Knell read Knill.
 



Watched ' I Believe In Miracles' the other week.
To win it once was astonishing, but to win it TWICE....
Hearing John McGovern say that all he was thinking when he lifted the trophy was he wished his dad could have seen him do it and seeing Old Big 'Ead at the end talking about how football belongs to everyone...you can find yourself getting a bit emotional!
That and seeing Martin O'Neill make Adrian Chiles look an utter twat...
Class!
 
I've read the book and it's a brilliant read. It is a similar relationship between wilder and knill as it was with clough and Taylor. Who knows how far our duo can take us?. IMO we are destined for good times under wilder and knill!!. We all know the club and us fans deserve success after recent history!!. Utb
 
It's seems Taylor was the shy tactician (the brains) and Clough the front man, expert psychologist and motivator,

Clough was a real loose cannon, some say that a genius can sometimes appear like a mad man.
I remember when he'd just bought Gary Megson, he went to the press the say 'his touch is so bad he couldn't trap a bag of cement".
He would drop and criticise his own big name players, buy star players then initially not put them in the team.

The public called for him to be England manager but the FA could never trust him.
He's the type that would drop the likes of Rooney, Garrard and Lampard and put in untested players in great form.

The nearest I've seen to his behaviour was Pauli Di Canio and he didn't last 2 minutes because the players wouldn't accept it. It weird how once a player or manager brings success then the club will accept almost anything.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Great managerial dynasties are almost always the result of formidable partnerships. I was delighted by the recognition that the fans gave to Alan Knill towards the end of the season.
I can also say that having met the bloke, he's an absolute gentleman.
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Met him also TD in the boozer he lives up our way , down to earth bloke whose always got time time ppl & a chat and very knowledgable bloke , I'd echo your sentiments there to an absolute gent
 
Sheffsteel said:
The nearest I've seen to his behaviour was Pauli Di Canio and he didn't last 2 minutes because the players wouldn't accept it. It weird how once a player or manager brings success then the club will accept almost anything.
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He also didn't last two minutes because he's a fascist pig. In every sense of the word.
 
Sirius said:
I am re reading Brian Clough's book and am struck by the way he and Taylor formed such a close bond and as we all know the rest is history

IMO Clough was the best manager and relied on Taylor to source players who Clough made Special. Like Wilder and Knell, Clough and Taylor started to manage lower league club and worked their way to the pinnacle of success.

It is early days but W and K are showing similar traits to those shown by Clough
How far can they take us. Will history repeat itself? P S for Knell read Knill.
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I understand what you mean, but of course it's very early days yet and football itself has changed with all the money that's now available to 'buy' success. Clough (Brian not Nige), is my all time favourite manager and I think I've just about read every book about him and watched every video, but I think he'd possibly struggle with some of the pampered multi-millionaires that make up today's upper league footballers. That said, we saw what Leicester City achieved so miracles do happen.

I'd personally be delighted if Wilder and Knill get us established back in the Premiere League and then we can take it from there. Once we get a share of the money pot, there's no reason at all why we can't at least win an English cup competition or two and maybe the Europa league. I often wonder where we'd be now if it hadn't been for that bloody one goal scored difference a decade ago, we blew a massive chance there. But the likes of Stoke have managed stability and success over the years, even changing their 'battling' style of play, so why not Sheffield's finest?
 
Sirius said:
I am re reading Brian Clough's book and am struck by the way he and Taylor formed such a close bond and as we all know the rest is history

IMO Clough was the best manager and relied on Taylor to source players who Clough made Special. Like Wilder and Knell, Clough and Taylor started to manage lower league club and worked their way to the pinnacle of success.

It is early days but W and K are showing similar traits to those shown by Clough
How far can they take us. Will history repeat itself? P S for Knell read Knill.
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Probably should steer clear of "W and K" if we are looking to succeed. Kind of gives a tap in for those who love to have a go.
 



Sirius said:
I am re reading Brian Clough's book and am struck by the way he and Taylor formed such a close bond and as we all know the rest is history

IMO Clough was the best manager and relied on Taylor to source players who Clough made Special. Like Wilder and Knell, Clough and Taylor started to manage lower league club and worked their way to the pinnacle of success.

It is early days but W and K are showing similar traits to those shown by Clough
How far can they take us. Will history repeat itself? P S for Knell read Knill.
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Times have changed, its no longer just a double act.
Wilder, Knill, Matt Prestridge, Paul Mitchell have all been mentioned along with the coaches and people on the academy/ development side such as Travis Binnion.

Not sure if you were there on the final game of the season (I know you're a long way away) but when they announced the back room personnel there were coaches, physios, doctors, sports scientists, analysts and the lot, all of whom will be gleaming data from the Catapult vests that the players wear in training.

I think the big similarity is the trust between them. Everyone has a role to play and everyone knows their job and Wilder trusts them. A key was Ched, Wilder said that he listened to the sports scientists, he wanted to play Ched at Stocksbridge, but they said that it would be better if he didn't play so as not to hinder his pre season training
 
My favourite story about Cloughie came from Teddy Sheringham in a TV interview ( Parky perhaps ? - hope some tech genius can find and post it ) . I can't remember it verbatim, but it was on the following lines :-

" I remember when I played my first match under him sitting in the dressing room and wondering when he was going to appear. At my previous club, the manager would come in about 2. 15 and give us a 20 minute analysis of the opposition and then spend another 20 minutes talking about our tactics for the day.

He didn't even appear until ten to three, and when he did he was carrying a ball under his arm. He placed it in the middle of the dressing room, pointed to it and said " This, young men, is a football and I want us to have it more than them today. We won 4 - 1.
 
penthouseblade said:
"My office door is always open for all the players". "They come in with an issue, we talk about it for 20 minutes, and we decide that I was right".
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That was just like one of my old gaffers he used to deliver the bad news , listen to 10 minutes of complaints and turn round and say sand or Vaseline lads but your having it !!
 
John Street West Terrace said:
That was just like one of my old gaffers he used to deliver the bad news , listen to 10 minutes of complaints and turn round and say sand or Vaseline lads but your having it !!
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Did you work in some kind of brothel or summat?!

"I'm not saying I was the best manager in the business, but I was in the top one".
 
John Street West Terrace said:
Felt like it at times PHB !!!
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I guess we've all been there at one time or another but, like Ol Big 'Ed and his methods, nobody was forced to put up with it, you either got on board with him or you didn't?! Dirty L***s, bunch of fucking wankers that they were/are decided to get rid, Nottingham Forest on the other hand......
 
I don't know if anyone can remember this happening. My next door neighbour is a big Derby County fan and tells me in the early seventies at the Baseball Ground (rip) Derby were trying to do a presentation on the pitch but the United fans were singing too loud and they couldn't hear themselves think so Brian Clough went over to United fans and stood with them, asking them if they could just keep it down a bit while they did the presentation. Blades fans obliged and when it had done Cloughie thanked fans and walked back to the dugout, then the singing resumed.
 
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