Player Suggestion Stewart Downing

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YES Blade said:
Wilder is just working to his budget, do you really think he would be signing players from Leagues One and Two if he had say £30m - £40m to spend?

He showed that last signing by signing proven League One players like Moore, Clarke, Fleck, Duffy etc etc. he doesn't have the budget to sign proven Championship players therefore he is shopping in the bargain bin, if he had the budget he would no doubt be looking to do the same as last season and sign proven players for the division we are in.
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I see your point but I disagree - If he had £30-40m to spend yes he may be looking in Championship rather than leagues below but he still wouldn't be splurging money like Pigs did on Rhodes. Nor is it shopping in "the bargain bin" - Wilder is buying quality not quantity (by quantity I mean £££).

It's clear he wants young, hungry players with something to prove. Downing's career is waning and he really would fall into the category we all bang on about - the one last pay cheque category.
 
Jon P said:
I see your point but I disagree - If he had £30-40m to spend yes he may be looking in Championship rather than leagues below but he still wouldn't be splurging money like Pigs did on Rhodes. Nor is it shopping in "the bargain bin" - Wilder is buying quality not quantity (by quantity I mean £££).

It's clear he wants young, hungry players with something to prove. Downing's career is waning and he really would fall into the category we all bang on about - the one last pay cheque category.
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How do you know they are quality? All of the signings so far have very little or no Championship experience, hopefully they will be quality, but they are cheap gambles that could turn out to be poor signings.

So why did he sign Clarke, Hanson and Duffy last season? They're all older players that could be classed as getting their last decent contracts. The amount of money we spent last season by League One standards was "Pig Money", there is nothing wrong with spending big if they are the right players and it gets you promoted.

Like I say, Wilder is just working to a budget, he's not trying to do anything other than that. No manager in the world would turn down spending big on players if they had the chance, why would they? Spending big and therefore signing better players gives them a better chance of being successful.
 
YES Blade said:
How do you know they are quality? All of the signings so far have very little or no Championship experience, hopefully they will be quality, but they are cheap gambles that could turn out to be poor signings.

So why did he sign Clarke, Hanson and Duffy last season? They're all older players that could be classed as getting their last decent contracts. The amount of money we spent last season by League One standards was "Pig Money", there is nothing wrong with spending big if they are the right players and it gets you promoted.

Like I say, Wilder is just working to a budget, he's not trying to do anything other than that. No manager in the world would turn down spending big on players if they had the chance, why would they? Spending big and therefore signing better players gives them a better chance of being successful.
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On your first paragraph - I don't know they are quality, what i meant is he is looking for it. Sometimes he gets it right - e.g. Fleck, sometimes wrong e.g. Hussey.

On your second paragraph - i agree.

On your third paragraph - Wilder has said time and time again you don't have to spend big to do well.
 
YES Blade said:
He would get in ahead of Duffy or Carruthers behind the front 2, hopefully Carruthers will step up and make that position his own next season.
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Well, Carruthers doesn't get in anyway so that doesn't count. He's just a bit-part player at the moment. And Duffy is our most creative player from last season. I would agree that some days he's just not on it and when we've subbed him he's got that look of "should have done better" about him. But I'd take nothing away from the lad because for the majority of the season he's been a matchwinning creator for us. No, I really wouldn't put some lame, sideways passing, midfielder like Downing ahead of him. I really wouldn't.

If we are going to bolster the midfield we need a Trevor Hockey type in there who can bite some ankles and battle it out. That's the kind of midfielder we're short of. Not a Butch Wilkins impersonator like Downing.
 
mattbianco1 said:
Love how some fans are putting us on this ridiculous pedestal because weve won the 3rd division. Starting to sound like the other lot.

Downing is better than any of our attacking midfield players when he's on form. Wilder has a knack of getting players back to form.

The money side will mean we don't even look at him but he is so much better than Duffy (Who will fight for that position with Carruthers).

Some of our fans are in for a big shock next season if they think that Jagielka and Downing aren't improvements to the squad.
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Can't agree with this. He's technically able, however, he doesn't have enough to fit into Wilder's side. Doesn't make him a bad player.

I'm not sure Downing has enough end product for the position, again, not saying that Duffy and Carruthers are currently better, but they fit the team better in terms of workrate, fitness and defensive abilities.

I think Downing would be far too expensive for what we can get for much less (and do the same job for the team)
 
I've never really rated him to be honest, it's hard to think of a game that I've seen him play in where he's been one of the stand-out players.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Well, Carruthers doesn't get in anyway so that doesn't count. He's just a bit-part player at the moment. And Duffy is our most creative player from last season. I would agree that some days he's just not on it and when we've subbed him he's got that look of "should have done better" about him. But I'd take nothing away from the lad because for the majority of the season he's been a matchwinning creator for us. No, I really wouldn't put some lame, sideways passing, midfielder like Downing ahead of him. I really wouldn't.

If we are going to bolster the midfield we need a Trevor Hockey type in there who can bite some ankles and battle it out. That's the kind of midfielder we're short of. Not a Butch Wilkins impersonator like Downing.
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Take a look at Downing's career and Duffy's, there is a reason why Downing has played the majority of his career in the Premier League while Duffy has been in League One with the odd short stint in the Championship.

Next you'll be telling me that you wouldn't put Messi or Ronaldo in ahead of Sharp!
 
Jon P said:
On your first paragraph - I don't know they are quality, what i meant is he is looking for it. Sometimes he gets it right - e.g. Fleck, sometimes wrong e.g. Hussey.

On your second paragraph - i agree.

On your third paragraph - Wilder has said time and time again you don't have to spend big to do well.
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I agree you don't have to spend big to do well, Huddersfield proved that, but money certainly helps, which Newcastle proved! If he had the choice between his current budget and say Middlesbrough's, which do you think he would choose?

I just don't believe Wilder is trying to prove anything or make a point, he hasn't got a massive budget but is showing he can win matches without spending it. He's got a budget to work with and is signing players that fit into that budget simple as that for me.
 
GrayBlade said:
I've never really rated him to be honest, it's hard to think of a game that I've seen him play in where he's been one of the stand-out players.
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There was one. A while ago. Can't remember what the game was but I recall saying to my mate 'if he played like this every game he'd be worthy of an England place'. Probably a couple of years ago now, at least.

I've no idea what he's like now.
 
We're way off topic here. Regardless of budget Wilder would never go for Downing IMO.

Next.
 
BushBlade said:
There was one. A while ago. Can't remember what the game was but I recall saying to my mate 'if he played like this every game he'd be worthy of an England place'. Probably a couple of years ago now, at least.

I've no idea what he's like now.
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I must have missed it BB, he did look good when he first appeared on the scene but for me he never kicked on.

I've seen him a few times on the box this season and it's not that he played really bad, he just did enough which I think sums his career up. I could probably think of a few United players over the years who just did enough, but maybe that's for another thread.
 

I will piss mi sen if they end up signing this overrated under achieving money suckin leech.

Hes a typical Wendy signing. Will cost em a bomb, probably injury prone, and will deliver just short of fuk all.

Let em give him another 30k a week and a huge signing on fee. They will also be panicking too as they haven't brought anyone in so far and the pressure will be on Carlos the Jackass and his management team if they start slowly.

Fingers crossed this one happens at the Home of Pork.
 
If I could pick a few players for Wednesday to sign, Downing would be on the list.
 
Haha now Wendy's are linked with him we all wouldn't touch him with a barge pole! How fickle we are sometimes pfft
 
mattbianco1 said:
Bent got 13 for Derby last season. I'm not sure any of our squad will manage that next term.
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Doubt he'll get double figures this season and his wages will be rather high. Would love to see him at the sty partnering The Bottler.
 
I should coco said:
If he is fit and plays >40 games, I'm confident Sharp will get 15 -20 goals.

Bent is a classic example of the type of highly paid Premier reject that we should not sign.
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Jon P said:
now Bent! Give me strength.
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Just to play a little bit of Devils Advocate:

Billy Sharp - 191 league goals, never scored a Premier League goal.
Darren Bent - 176 league goals, 106 in the Premier League.

I love Billy Sharp, I really do, but most of his career goals have come in the 3rd tier of English Football (104) with 9 more in League 2. 55% of his goals are in the 3rd and 4th tier.

60% of Darren Bent's goals were scored in the Premier League.

Another case of delusion creeping in at S2 if you think that Sharp is better than Bent.
 
mattbianco1 said:
Another case of delusion creeping in at S2 if you think that Sharp is better than Bent.
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At this stage in their respective careers, I'd still back Sharp to get more Championship goals than Bent.

Bent was a reasonable PL players years ago, but now seems to spend more time on the bench (Villa and Derby). Additionally, his wage demands would be prohibitive.
 
I should coco said:
At this stage in their respective careers, I'd still back Sharp to get more Championship goals than Bent.

Bent was a reasonable PL players years ago, but now seems to spend more time on the bench (Villa and Derby). Additionally, his wage demands would be prohibitive.
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Definitely. I'm not suggesting we should sign him. I'm just trying to highlight a point.

If both were willing to play for free. I would say Bent would score more goals for us next season than Sharp would.
 

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