Allardyce recommends Wilder for Palace

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So if you had the football ability of Messi you wouldn't want to play at the highest level winning Championships and European Cups?

Football isn't all about money you know!

No but the prima donnas at Hull will be desperate for a move to another no mark Prem club like Palace if it keeps the cash coming in and it would be mirrored in reverse if Palace had dropped and Hull stayed up.

That's not ambition just greed.

Most of the Hull and Palace players won't give a fuck about either club or which one keeps their missus happy, they'd play for either and drop em just as quickly.

Greed not ambition.

Wilder seems to be trying it differently and that's ambition, he wants to take SUFC on a journey and the feel good factor seems to confirm that.

Compare out lot celebrating to Bolton's feeble effort.
Our lot care and for that we owe Christopher a big thanks.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

I hope , people hoping Tuffty will show " loyalty " , or hoping that his head won't be turned ,
even though he loves the club just as much as almost every one on here ,
and seems to have no inkling of wanting or thinking of going anywhere ,
Shows the same " loyalty " , "dedication ", and support when our team goes through a bad spell next season ,
and not come on here spouting how out of depth he is in this league , as some did early doors last season .
If and its a big if Tuffty was to go and I don't think there is any reason to suggest he will , then he'd go with a heavy but thankful heart from me .
Nowt wrong with wanting to better yoursen , just don't shaft anybody to do it , that's my motto in life .

 

[Trueblade]

Interesting read this one. He's a blade and loves the club.

But as we see so often young english managers don't get many opportunities.

If we do average or linger in the bottom half next season, people won't be talking about him anymore. He will still be highly regarded in the EFL but he won't be linked to clubs like Palace. That's the reality.

In some ways it's a lesser risk for him to go and try because if he got it wrong he would still get offers from lower league clubs. Someways nothing to lose.

Let's pray he doesn't want to go!

 

[ucandomagic]

At the end of Part 1 in the Sheffield Live TV interview last week Biggs asked him specifically about the chance of him taking up a good offer.

His answer made it pretty clear that he wouldn't, but also clear that he wouldn't mind talking about a contract extension!

 

[Grizzly blade]

No room for sentiment is a sentence often trotted out in football.

But I have to say, I think that even if he does struggle next season he deserves some appreciation for what he has done to date and to therefore be allowed time to put it right.
A man doesn't become a bad manager overnight. And Wilder is clearly a good manager when you look at his achievements to date.

So, even though I don't believe it will be needed, patience is the key. Realistically, even though I feel we will do well and make mid table at worst, there may well be a few bad runs of games which will test the nerve of the fans, manager and players. But we all need to remember he's a good manager and let him work it out without the added pressure we could exert.

As for Allardyce....he can FOOK OFF!

Palace are a yo yo club at best, and no bigger or deserving of success than us. So there's no reason why we can't take theirs or another's place in the premier league one day.

 

[Fanny magnet]

I'd be very surprised if anyone turns on wilder after a few months of the season no matter how badly we were doing


Might get a few posts on here but they're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

 

[ucandomagic]

16 minutes 20 seconds in.

Listen to the man himself.

Magic

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Nowt wrong with wanting to better yoursen , just don't shaft anybody to do it , that's my motto in life .

Tha'll never get anyweer thee

 

[JohnDenver]

I'd be shocked if Palace wanted Wilder given their predilection for expensive European footballers. But if he did go there I'd be horrified.

Palace are a no-mark, nothing, pointless, empty space of a football club. With a shabby ground lurking in an anonymous suburb of South London, they're just filler. Background noise. Chaff. The fact they somehow exist in the top tier of football ahead of clubs like Derby, Villa and Sunderland is just a reflection on what a curious sport this is.

 

[Bladesway]

I'm a similar age to Wilder and for me it's NOT all about money.
Of course money is important but only up to a point, job satisfaction, challenge, location etc is just as important.
Nathan Thomas is also the same as me admitting Boro offered him a much bigger salary but he already has his heart set on coming to Bramall Lane, money isn't his main motivation.

Listen to Wilders interviews, he's always talking about concentrating on achievement and then the rewards (big money) come later. He talks about career progression and being at the right club at the right time. He talks about not wanting mercenary players at the club who's main incentive is money.

So I'd be shocked if Wilder left just of the money, it's against his principles and he'd be a hypocrite.

Sorry but paint a picture of him being 10 games into next season, bottom of the league and fans quickly forgetting this season(because many will). He gets fired and then what happens? Then think about 5-10 times your current salary, made for life and the chance to manage in one of the so called top leagues in the world.

I'd be surprised yes, but if he has his head screwed on and the offer comes along you would be an idiot not to go have a look.

I love my job but if someone offered me 5 times the salary to do the same thing I'd be off like a shot.

 

[Th!stledo]

All the interest in CW will certainly raise his profile. It is no more than he deserves and will hopefully get him even more respect from the supporters, the players and the club.

Any offers coming his way will always have pros and cons and he would be a fool not to think them through. Money will always be an issue but other things such as trust and appreciation are also very important. I feel the club should make clear how much we appreciate, trust and need this guy at our helm. Please offer CW and AK new contracts that reflects our appreciation of this partnership. After making a point that he won't let anyone shaft the club, I am sure he is just looking for something that reflects their value and a term that will give a level of stability and security.

 

[Norderner]

If we treble his wage.... then a PL club could still come along and treble his wage again.

McCabe must have nightmares about offering previous managers lucrative contracts and pay rises
But only to see them quickly fail.........so we've had loads of compensation to pay.

I reckon the board are keen to learn from their mistakes and will wait to see how we perform in the Championship before offering a new contract. If another club comes in and makes an official enquiry..... then it will force our hand and we'll no doubt offer an improved deal.

Wilder has already admitted he's relaxed about it and the fans need to relax too.
Wilder knows if he performs like he thinks he then will he'll be suitably rewarded, seems fair to me.

Typical Blades talk? Let's wait until we see how he performs in La Liga! Fuck reactive, let's be fuckin proactive for once, hey? If that big, fat, ugly, bent potato head has recommended him to palace, what does that tell you? We've got a diamond, who's one of our own, who all the football world know is a diamond, but we keep plodding along, because he's a Blade. You couldn't make it up if you tried!

 

[Norderner]

This I do agree with, I expect many Chairman will be keeping an eye on Wilder to see how he copes with the Championship next season. Remember Wilder is a total novice in the big leagues.

The worse case scenario next season would be having a similar season to Huddersfield, playing entertaining football and losing in the playoff final because his stock will have gone up nationally and then I think PL might take the risk.

But I suspect it would be a small PL club and Wilder might still think he can finish the job at SU and we can offer him a better and more lucrative future than the likes of a Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth etc.

Don't want this to look like I'm singling you out, but wasn't CW a novice in division 3? Took the piss though, didn't he? Managers are like players. talent is talent, no matter what division your in. It's up to the boardroom to separate the wheat from the chaff? Hence why dele Ali went from 3rd division to England squad inside a year? As I've said before, there was no big Blades pessimistic than me before Wilder arrived. Now I believe anything is possible if they arm the blade in charge with what he needs.

 

[Norderner]

I feel if wilder left for money it'd undermine a lot of his principles as manager. I think this especially after what he's said about Nathan Thomas. I do feel he is a man of passion and honour over a man or money.

On the other hand money always talks.

Not if McCabe pulled the rug from under him? Not got a track record for that either, as he?!!!!!

 

[UnitedBlade]

Personally I don't think money would be the main motivation should Wilder leave for Palace.

Wilder is nearly 50, how many other opportunities is he going to get to manage in the Premier League?

If he wants to try and get to the very top, win major honours and maybe manage England one day, he's isn't going to do it unless he takes a chance and goes to a club like Palace when the opportunity arises. We could finish lower mid table next season and he'll go from a top manager prospect in the lower leagues to Chris Who?

If he did decide to leave I'd have no ill feeling towards the bloke and he can go with my best wishes, he's earned that respect from every Blade.

I think we can rule England out. In an interview last season (maybe with Kammy ?) he said he wasn't that interested in International football and England bored him to tears. I know what he means. He loves day to day full on involvement, he doesn't want to manage England.

 

[snootyfenooty]

hope Wilder can take us to PL and who knows, England manager in 10 years?

I agree with your post except for this bit. The England job is a poisoned chalice. Come the first World Cup in charge we'll get the usual hype and when England bomb he'll become the most lampooned and hated man in the country. I think Tufty's response to suggestions such as England manager will be "fuck that".

 

[CarlMcBlade]

England or Real Madrid I tell you.

 

[FinchleyBlade]

I'd be shocked if Palace wanted Wilder given their predilection for expensive European footballers. But if he did go there I'd be horrified.

Palace are a no-mark, nothing, pointless, empty space of a football club. With a shabby ground lurking in an anonymous suburb of South London, they're just filler. Background noise. Chaff. The fact they somehow exist in the top tier of football ahead of clubs like Derby, Villa and Sunderland is just a reflection on what a curious sport this is.

More delusion.

They are an established premier league side with many very good players and a large budget to improve it even more. They are also able to offer him a premier league wage.

Those of you thinking Wilder will never leave because he's a blade are in for a nasty shock one day.

 

[Hmt]

Allardyce can uck hof greedy fat money lauderin porker

 

[Sheffsteel]

I suppose it depends if Wilder is confident in his own ability.

If not, then he'd be wise to take the money and run

But if he really believes he's a top manager then he's at an ideal club to prove it.

I think Wilder will give it anothe year or 2 here before he starts looking at other offers which might improve his progression.

 

[Silent Blade]

I remember Dave Bassett writing in the Star in the early 1990s that he stayed with us rather than go to bigger clubs for more money because he thought job satisfaction was more important than money

 

[Gavlar]

Who the fuck wants that.

Lots of people.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

We usually have good reason to worry, but on this one, I am yet to be convinced that there is cause for concern.
1. What CW created last season was unique, and the project has a way to go. If he went elsewhere, he could be successful, but he could not replicate what he has here - a club where everyone is on board, with a blurring of the dividing-lones between owners, staff and fans. I am not kidding myself that the players are all fans, but they have bought into the project being led by fan no. 1. He cannot do that anywhere else.
2. He is a good manager, maybe potentially a great manager, but he has little relevant experience for a PL club. Never managed millionaire prima donnas, never managed (I assume) a squad full of foreign players. Imagine his job interview. Experience of foreign players? 'I signed 2 Irish wing backs, and a backup striker born in Canada.' What to do if £20 million signing is struggling for form and confidence? 'I'd buy him a few beers in the local pubs on a Saturday night so he can chat with the fans.' 'We'll let you know in a few days, Mr Wilder.'

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Hate these shitty little clubs taking the piss because they're in a league higher.

 

[zablade]

I doubt he would go but I don't think it's 100% guaranteed he wouldn't.

He may be a Blade but it could be a once in lifetime chance to manage in the Premier League and secure his and his family's financial future.

If there is any bigger incentive for that game changing money to finally be produced it would be to prevent this.

 

[Bladezz]

If palace came in for him he would go.

No one in there right mind would turn down a premiership job, plenty of money to spend with fairly average expectations.

This is why we need to offer a new deal.

 

[Maidenhead]

If palace came in for him he would go.

No one in there right mind would turn down a premiership job, plenty of money to spend with fairly average expectations.

This is why we need to offer a new deal.

The way you put that why would a new deal make any difference?

 

[Sheffsteel]

The way you put that why would a new deal make any difference?

My sentiments exactly.

A few comments saying "he'd be mad not to take a job in the PL so let's give him a big pay rise"

But these comments make no sense.
We double his wage then a PL club comes in and doubles his wage
So we treble his wage and a PL club comes in and doubles that.

So giving him a massive wage rise has little affect regards keeping him.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Just checked oddschecker

And surprise surprise......Wilder is hardly mentioned anywhere in the betting.
Hardly any bookmakers have even priced him up because he's that much of an outsider.

We've got to stop doing this.. panicking thinking fans of every club wants him, when the truth is he hardly registers due to most of his career being in non league football and league 2.

Mark Cooper of Forest Green Rovers is another young manager very highly rated English manager.
Don't see anyone big club rushing to entice him.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Just checked oddschecker

And surprise surprise......Wilder is hardly mentioned anywhere in the betting.
Hardly any bookmakers have even priced him up because he's that much of an outsider.

We've got to stop doing this.. panicking thinking fans of every club wants him, when the truth is he hardly registers due to most of his career being in non league football and league 2.

Mark Cooper of Forest Green Rovers is another young manager very highly rated English manager.
Don't see anyone big club rushing to entice him.

The two brothers at Lincoln as well.