CONFIRMED Nathan Thomas

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YES Blade said:
What's with all these "I'm leaving it to Wilder" posts? None of us are getting involved in transfers, tactics, team selection etc. no one is being asked to get involved or asking to get involved. Just because we finally have a manager that is doing a good job it doesn't need to be pointed out on every thread. We're just talking about football and United and what we think of the transfer policy in this case.

I don't have any preference on what age, nationality or club they are signed from. I just find it very odd that many are against older players signing from the Premier League or Championship, but are quick to heap praise on signing unknowns from League One and Two. Dean Hammond was a failure at United, it doesn't mean every player of a similar age from the Premier League will be a bad signing, judge each player individually.
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Great post and you're right that each player is different. We've signed a few crap players for reasonable transfer fees in the past from the lower leagues that haven't come off. Chris Guthrie way back in the 70's and Jon Cullen from Hartlepool both spring to mind. We've also signed some gems who are older and ex prem on their way down like Paul McGrath, Gordon Cowans, Craig Short and Neil Shipperley. They were all frees though so that was a plus.

I think the main reason that fans like the up and coming players is the likelihood of a greater desire to make the step up, as opposed to a player on the way down in their career who may well not be as motivated as someone from the lower leagues and is likely to demand a higher wage to boot.. Either way there's some gems out there in both markets. With Chris in charge you know that he refuses to sign players of any category that will only come here with big wage demands or their clubs won't sell at a reasonable price. We are so fortunate in that respect, its very much like Bassett in his spell in that regard - and a few more and not surprising for obvious reasons!
 
Typicaldeedah said:
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This all feels very familiar to when we tried to sign Mark Yeates who of course joined Boro, who like now, were just relegated to the Championship. Lets hope if he chooses Boro he turns out similar to Yates! That said I really liked Yates but his career never fulfilled the potential he had at Colchester.
 
Treeton Blade said:
Seems his agent is touting him round after our offer was accepted.

Fuck him, move on.
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So we should withdraw our interest because he hasn't jumped straight in the car to sign for us as soon as the bid was accepted?

There is nothing wrong with a player talking to other clubs before making a decision.
 
YES Blade said:
What's with all these "I'm leaving it to Wilder" posts? None of us are getting involved in transfers, tactics, team selection etc. no one is being asked to get involved or asking to get involved. Just because we finally have a manager that is doing a good job it doesn't need to be pointed out on every thread. We're just talking about football and United and what we think of the transfer policy in this case.

I don't have any preference on what age, nationality or club they are signed from. I just find it very odd that many are against older players signing from the Premier League or Championship, but are quick to heap praise on signing unknowns from League One and Two. Dean Hammond was a failure at United, it doesn't mean every player of a similar age from the Premier League will be a bad signing, judge each player individually.
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I understand why you might have thought I was trying to add weight to similar threads and take your point.I agree with much of what you say and did not state that I do not want us to sign Premier League players.Nor was that the implication.
My main point was whatever happens next season will be something to look forward to for once given the one we just had.
 
Boro can have him and loan him back to us cause their failed stars will want 1st team footy
 
Booker4 said:
This all feels very familiar to when we tried to sign Mark Yeates who of course joined Boro, who like now, were just relegated to the Championship. Lets hope if he chooses Boro he turns out similar to Yates! That said I really liked Yates but his career never fulfilled the potential he had at Colchester.
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Spurs reject and fat drunk. Another player we should have kept away from.
 
Based on the fact that Middlesborough will likely offer him better wages added to the fact that he's from the North East, I think that's if it's true they're interested: we won't get him.

No great loss in my opinion, the better league 1 players regularly (obviously not always) step up to championship level. Jumping from league 2 and below is far more rare, and only the very best make it, is Nathan Thomas the very best in league 2?
 
YES Blade said:
Sorry mate, but that is complete and utter bollocks! We got into League One by signing poor players being managed by a poor manager.

Newcastle and Brighton signed some of the "been there and done it" brigade and it got them promoted!
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Nyron Nosworthy, Leon Britton, James Harper, Richard Cresswell, Neill Collins to name but a few. Were they not at some point regular Championship players or higher before joining us?...or did I imagine that? This is before I make a start on the younger ones that have gone on to flourish elsewhere since contributing to our demise.

Consider facts before telling me I'm talking bollocks.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
Nyron Nosworthy, Leon Britton, James Harper, Richard Cresswell, Neill Collins to name but a few. Were they not at some point regular Championship players or higher before joining us?...or did I imagine that? This is before I make a start on the younger ones that have gone on to flourish elsewhere since contributing to our demise.

Consider facts before telling me I'm talking bollocks.
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Neil Shipperley, David Unsworth, Craig Short and Keith Gillespie.

That "been there and done it" brigade took us to the Premier League!

What about this season's lot such as Billy Sharp, Leon Clarke, Mark Duffy and Daniel Lafferty?

Those are facts! All older players on their way down that made a significant contribution to our last 2 promotions.
 
YES Blade said:
Neil Shipperley, David Unsworth, Craig Short and Keith Gillespie.

That "been there and done it" brigade took us to the Premier League!

What about this season's lot such as Billy Sharp, Leon Clarke, Mark Duffy and Daniel Lafferty?

Those are facts! All older players on their way down that made a significant contribution to our last 2 promotions.
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Remind me how far apart those two promotions were and what happened in the years in between, when we signed one experienced name after the next?

Two good seasons out of just over a decade backs my argument up more than it does yours I'm afraid. Irrespective of that, Wilder is far more likely to adopt the approach I expect and would prefer towards player recruitment. It therefore renders our debate pointless at the end of the day.

What happens when you can't afford top Championship players (trust me we can't)? We could end up throwing money at "experienced" Championship players that have been hiding in a Derby or an Ipswich side for five years and are actually no better than what we have. Some of the names I mentioned earlier are perfect examples of that. The players you have listed were 1) top flight players that we paid big money for and 2) players in their prime playing in League One. Arguably almost irrelevant to our discussion.

To be honest, I'll be happy with whatever players Wilder signs because I have faith in his judgement and don't pretend that I have all the answers.....only opinions. Even if know it all's do think I'm talking bollocks.
 
BushBlade said:
Spurs reject and fat drunk. Another player we should have kept away from.
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He was a Spurs reject yes but plenty of decent players get rejected to the bounce back. I thought he was great until we signed him and then I realised he was very inconsistent.
 
YES Blade said:
So we should withdraw our interest because he hasn't jumped straight in the car to sign for us as soon as the bid was accepted?

There is nothing wrong with a player talking to other clubs before making a decision.
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Yes, if money is his sole motivation, don`t think we will maintain our interest.
 
From the pig end said:
Who's the last gem we bought from league 1 or two?
I suppose Duffy in a way be he was already heading to the championship.
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John fleck is the obvious answer
Jake Wright was also amazing last season and as you say Duffy did really well.
From last season Carruthers, OShea, Clark and Hanson all played a part in the promotion push as well.
Championship reserves was also fruitful for Wilder in Moore, EEL, O'Connell, Lafferty and Lavery

Looking at that list, it just shows what a terrify job Wilder di8d in the transfer market last year, only Hussey (that can think of) didn't really perform when required to. Wilson was perhaps also not a significant player, but in my mind he did OK when fit and played, he just couldn't get in the team.
 



blade67 said:
John fleck is the obvious answer
Jake Wright was also amazing last season and as you say Duffy did really well.
From last season Carruthers, OShea, Clark and Hanson all played a part in the promotion push as well.
Championship reserves was also fruitful for Wilder in Moore, EEL, O'Connell, Lafferty and Lavery

Looking at that list, it just shows what a terrify job Wilder di8d in the transfer market last year, only Hussey (that can think of) didn't really perform when required to. Wilson was perhaps also not a significant player, but in my mind he did OK when fit and played, he just couldn't get in the team.
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Agree with all that. Also CW said that Hussey and Brayford were the best full backs in the division.

Maybe that was a motivational piece that simply didn't work, so out they went.

Decisive and quick decision making.

I too think he'll discard interest if he thinks he's been played for extra cash. He proved this point several times last pre season and I for one is very happy that's his approach.
 
Basiclally the above argument shows its all down to getting the right players, it makes no difference if they are on there way down or up, its about getting the right ones. If that means CW finds the right players from League 1/2 I am all with him.
 
Good decision Nathan.

Seems like he would've been playing for their U23s first and foremost, so that would explain why he's chosen us.

Article also states that we bid less than Boro, and there are a series of add-ons. So unsurprisingly it won't be 300k up front.
 
Wow! Top lad! If this comes off he'll be popular before he's even signed! Nobody had heard of Nathan Thomas a week ago, but if he chooses us over the local choice that is Middlesborough, that's some coup by Wilder and fair play to the lad!
 
WORKSOPBLADE said:
Agree with all that. Also CW said that Hussey and Brayford were the best full backs in the division.

Maybe that was a motivational piece that simply didn't work, so out they went.

Decisive and quick decision making.

I too think he'll discard interest if he thinks he's been played for extra cash. He proved this point several times last pre season and I for one is very happy that's his approach.
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Brayford is the best fullback in the division he wasn't wrong about that.
 
Be interesting to see what we do to complete our attacking midfield options, because we'll surely want a right sided winger in addition to a number 10. But signing another 2 might seem like too many considering the other positions we need to strengthen. Maybe just Ricky Holmes who can cover both positions?
 
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...field-united-closing-in-on-nathan-thomas-deal

Nathan Thomas will undergo a medical at Sheffield United on Saturday morning, according to Sky sources

The 22-year-old has agreed personal terms with the League One champions, after a fee of £300,000 was agreed with current club Hartlepool on Wednesday.

Middlesbrough had agreed a similar fee for the player, but Sky sources understand Thomas chose United because he felt it would be better for his career.
 



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