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- he's innocent
- 500k isn't a lot in the championship anymore.
- this would not happen without Wilders knowledge/ backing.
- this would not happen if it would upset the squad.

It's a pretty low risk signing financially because he won't be on as much as the rest of the strikers in the Champ. Can we stop reacting like we are spending our entire budget on him?

I'm firmly in the trust Wilder camp on this one.
 
A colleague is a Chesterfield season ticket holder and he told me ages ago that Ched was far too good for League 1 and possibly too good for the Championship but at Chesterfield he ploughed a lone furrow. Interestingly he said that Ched's wife and other family members attended every home game in an overt show of support. As for the decision making process, Chris Wilder is undoubtedly his own man and it's likely that he sought the opinion of some of the senior pros, particularly Bill before coming to a decision on Ched. He has been very consistent this season on squad harmony and I just can't imagine that he's taking a punt on Ched - it will be for sound footballing reasons.
 
Ultimately my take on it is that we can't lose with this. If he returns and scores loads of goals then everyone will be thrilled. If he returns and does nothing then we haven't lost a great deal of money.

If Wilder thinks he's still got it then it's worth the gamble at that price. Some clubs pay millions for players that turn out to be rubbish.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Well it's a good job you're not a judge then, because all the evidence currently says he isn't.
Whether you or I like it or not, you cannot call him a rapist.
And how does a football club share the values of its fan base exactly? My estimate...50k fans, all different with different morals.
If Evans had scored 40 goals this season, got back in the Wales team then just about every team in the land would be after him. Football clubs core business is football, that is what determines whether a football club survives. So decisions that affect the football club need to be based on footballing decisions first and foremost.
You don't choose a football team based on your values, you choose it based on football. You choose a political party on its values, I suggest you concentrate on that.
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Judges don't decide guilt, jurors do. And all of the evidence does not say that at all. You cannot possibly have read about it if you think that.
Football clubs don't necessarily. They choose their own morals - we all decide whether we can live with it. Often the people owning or playing for them are here for a few years at most - I'm a lifelong fan.
That's your opinion - my entire argument is that it shouldn't be a football decision. I don't doubt that he is a very good League One striker. Your argument however is completely flawed by the fact he did not score 40, did not get back in the Wales team and no one is after him. It makes very little sense from a football point of view, morality aside. £500k for someone who has been a flop in the Championship for us previously is madness.

Re your last point, I wonder what you and everyone else who wants him back would do if we signed a convicted child sex offender. Would you then claim it was about purely football, or would you feel a sense of outrage? If you stick to your argument it is purely about football, you can never have a problem with the morality of anyone we sign. That, is a tough place to be in. I move that it's not how you feel, therefore your argument is flawed.
 
bladesmanluke said:
Ah the football financially clouded of S2 are back.

NEWSFLASH - 500k is nothing nowadays in the championship

Sheffield Wednesday recently payed £10m for a striker who has scored 3 goals.
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If it's a Wilder decision then it's good enough for us all . I just cannot see Wilder being railroaded by McCabe .

The timing is funny though , unless it's been leaked at board level .
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
Ultimately my take on it is that we can't lose with this. If he returns and scores loads of goals then everyone will be thrilled. If he returns and does nothing then we haven't lost a great deal of money.

If Wilder thinks he's still got it then it's worth the gamble at that price. Some clubs pay millions for players that turn out to be rubbish.
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I think that is a very good take on it plus remembering how much we paid in the first place for him, hopefully he will bang them in, the timing could have been a little bit better though.
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
If it's a Wilder decision then it's good enough for us all . I just cannot see Wilder being railroaded by McCabe .

The timing is funny though , unless it's been leaked at board level .
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I agree. I'm happy with it if Wilder is. Think Chris could really get Evans playing well again like he has with Coutts etc.

However... if it's a McCabe decision that Chris wasn't on board with then we have a problem.
 
Timing's rather odd, but I've not got a problem with this. Looking forward to see what he's like after a full pre-season.

For or against, lets not have it put a downer on Sunday, the players, and all of us, deserve to enjoy the moment to the fullest.
 
Bayingblade said:
10 in 28 for Norwich in the Championship. Think that compares favourably with how £10Million Jordan Rhodes is doing at his current club.
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True mate - I'd forgotten about his stint with Norwich. Not sure it would be at £500K - and the wages will be lower than he used to command.
 
Just when you thought things were going so well this season.

  • It's a PR disaster
  • He's not guaranteed to be able to cut the mustard in the Championship
  • He's 28. His missed several years of football for some reason or other which escapes me :rolleyes: Strikers reach their peak at 28 normally. He won't be.
  • He's been injured for much of this season. Hardly a good sign.
  • Lots of tossers will start singing that bloody song again
  • If we have money, as we reportedly do, Wilder can surely sign someone with the same kind of potential impact. It will cost more. Maybe a million more, but still.

absolutely idiotic decision if true. :eek::eek:
 
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People need to chill the f**k out. In wilder we trust. 500k is nothing these days, so if the risk pays off then brilliant, if not it's 500k which is peanuts these days. A risk worth taking if you ask me
 
sheffielder said:
Nothing to do with what he did or did not do. He's hardly played when chesterfield needed wins so tells me he's not fit, which his manager repeated last week. So a bloke who did not play for 3 years and hardly this season because his body can't handle it is suddenly going to be ready over the summer. Someone must know something we don't to pay 500k for a hit in the dark
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But is it 500k? I agree re his fitness but there is so much talk on here some of the fiction can soon become fact, if he comes and wilder wants him and its on a free I am all for it, if on the other hand its 500 k then absolutely not, I would trust our manager regarding his fitness and any injury problems, it just seems as though a rumour is now nailed on, Wilder probably doesn't want him and its half a million, lets wai and see.
 
I don't understand this. Leaving aside what happened off the pitch, what has Evans got to offer the club that Billy Sharp etc haven't already got? A great time has happened this season, all is rosy and McCabe does this!! Why? I think McCabe has pressurised Chris Wilder into this. How to lose goodwill imo.
 
Not scored this year
Not played since March.

What's not to like

For the record I don't want to sign him because I don't think he will ever get to a championshop level based on the above and it's divided the fans. The timing is just fucking odd too
 
I talk regularly with an ex employee of us and Chesterfield, who could not speak highly enough of ched, his work ethic and how he is one of the lads, will talk to him when walking the dog to find out if he knows any thing else as they are in regular contact
 
elgoog44 said:
I think that is a very good take on it plus remembering how much we paid in the first place for him, hopefully he will bang them in, the timing could have been a little bit better though.
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I know why you're saying that last bit but I don't see the relevance of timing personally. It could only be a timing issue to some because of what happened in the past and the fact that he used to play for us.

As far as I'm concerned he's a footballer like any other and our brilliant manager thinks he's worth signing so why wait to get it done and announced. If Wilder wants him that's good enough for me.
 
Sheff de party said:
Judges don't decide guilt, jurors do. And all of the evidence does not say that at all. You cannot possibly have read about it if you think that.
Football clubs don't necessarily. They choose their own morals - we all decide whether we can live with it. Often the people owning or playing for them are here for a few years at most - I'm a lifelong fan.
That's your opinion - my entire argument is that it shouldn't be a football decision. I don't doubt that he is a very good League One striker. Your argument however is completely flawed by the fact he did not score 40, did not get back in the Wales team and no one is after him. It makes very little sense from a football point of view, morality aside. £500k for someone who has been a flop in the Championship for us previously is madness.

Re your last point, I wonder what you and everyone else who wants him back would do if we signed a convicted child sex offender. Would you then claim it was about purely football, or would you feel a sense of outrage? If you stick to your argument it is purely about football, you can never have a problem with the morality of anyone we sign. That, is a tough place to be in. I move that it's not how you feel, therefore your argument is flawed.
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Do you know that no one is after him ?

I would suggest, given the timing of today's news, that UTD have decided to act quickly now, for the precise reason that there ARE other interested parties.

Maybe !

UTB
 
I cant see the fee being £500K - for not to a club that has just fallen into the fourth division - and for a player who hasnt found much fitness this season. That bit of the story is probably media talk.
 
Argentinemanager said:
I talk regularly with an ex employee of us and Chesterfield, who could not speak highly enough of ched, his work ethic and how he is one of the lads, will talk to him when walking the dog to find out if he knows any thing else as they are in regular contact
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Can you find out why he's not played since the 4th March. His manager says it's because his body is not used to playing football. Judging that he played 29 games up to that point, something is a miss
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
Ultimately my take on it is that we can't lose with this. If he returns and scores loads of goals then everyone will be thrilled. If he returns and does nothing then we haven't lost a great deal of money.

If Wilder thinks he's still got it then it's worth the gamble at that price. Some clubs pay millions for players that turn out to be rubbish.
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I think you've got some good logical points but I can't help thinking about the advice you're given when using eBay; beware of deals that look too good to be true.

It's come out of the blue for us but I suspect this has been in the cards for a while and Wilder will have been doing his necessary research and weighing it up for some time. I hope that's the case anyway.
 
Confusion is the word for me. Why now? Why after the season he's had? Why when they know the publicity it will cause? Why do something to overshadow this amazing season before it's even ended? Why bring in someone who already divides the fans after we have all been together for the first time in years?


WHY
 
robbiez666 said:
Just when you thought things were going so well this season.

It's a PR disaster
He's not guaranteed to be able to cut the mustard in the Championship
He's 28. His missed several years of football for some reason or other which escapes me :rolleyes: Strikers reach their peak at 28 normally. He won't be.
Lots of tossers will start singing that bloody song again
If we have money, as we reportedly do, Wilder can surely sign someone with the same kind of potential impact. It will cost more. Maybe a million more, but still.

absolutely idiotic decision if true. :eek::eek:
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On the other hand, he's had a few years 'rest' so could peak a year or so later ;)
 

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