Pyro or flare?

[Maidenhead]

Look after your own, you don't throw your fellow blades to the dogs, full stop, we are a family and an army. My views on pyro are indifferent but even if I was the strongest protester against it, I would never dream of stitching up a fellow blade. It's just classless, disgusting and wrong.

We are citizens of a democratic society and we have a responsibility to abide by all the laws, not just the ones that suit us.

It's attitudes like yours, and a complete lack of moral and community responsibility, that have this country in the mess it's in.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

What is a smoke bomb?

Anything which emits smoke or visible gas, even something which is home made.

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Ban those vapping things then,there is a fella on the Kop gangway A uses one and i tell you it emits just as much smoke as any smoke bomb.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Rightly banned!
I don't care about this "ratting" - You can't allow people to bully you out of doing the right thing, this anti social behaviour won't ever stop if people aren't caught.
They are in the wrong and they should be banned! They don't care if setting off a smoke bomb or running onto the pitch or beating up someone ruins the fun for others.
Football is not an excuse to be THUGS, and if they think it is they are all rightly banned!
I'd have no problem "ratting" out anybody if I see them acting like a thug, breaking the law is breaking the law end of the day!

 

[snootyfenooty]

Did you know that blowing up a balloon can result in a severe asthmatic attack for some. Some people have crowd phobia. Religious types are particularly averse to swearing, especially any blasphemous references. What about the bullying aspects too? Goalkeepers especially get this in copious quantities. Fat shaming? Oh dear, where will it end, ban the lot. What a fucking shower, It was only a smoke bomb FFS!

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

 

[Whiston Blade]

What is a smoke bomb?

Anything which emits smoke or visible gas, even something which is home made.

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Ban those vapping things then,there is a fella on the Kop gangway A uses one and i tell you it emits just as much smoke as any smoke bomb.

Then report him to the club, they can't ban someone if they don't know who he is.

 

[Maidenhead]

Rightly banned!
I don't care about this "ratting" - You can't allow people to bully you out of doing the right thing, this anti social behaviour won't ever stop if people aren't caught.
They are in the wrong and they should be banned! They don't care if setting off a smoke bomb or running onto the pitch or beating up someone up ruins the fun for others.
Football is not an excuse to be THUGS, and if they think it is they are all rightly banned!
I'd have no problem "ratting" out anybody if I see them acting like a thug, breaking the law is breaking the law end of the day!

Exactly.

Well said that man.

Far too many people understand their rights but have no understanding of their responsibilities in a civilised society.

 

[SwissBlade]

Look after your own, you don't throw your fellow blades to the dogs, full stop, we are a family and an army. My views on pyro are indifferent but even if I was the strongest protester against it, I would never dream of stitching up a fellow blade. It's just classless, disgusting and wrong.

I guess those around with breathing difficulties thought the same... Perhaps ask the kid that got burnt when "one of our own" threw a lit flare down the away end at Forest back in the early 90s. She's probably in her 30's now and perhaps still carries the scars from "one of our own"

 

[true99blade]

If this is the fella who set it off after Done's goal, I was sitting a couple of seats away from it but didn't make much of it at the time. I'm not a great fan of flares but the guy did only hold it for a few moments and place it on the stairs which as far as I saw never harmed anybody. Not advocating setting the thing off in the first place but it's a shame those tossers launching them into crowds of men, women and children are not caught and punished. Hopefully this may set an example to those thinking of joining in this craze.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Did you know that blowing up a balloon can result in a severe asthmatic attack for some. Some people have crowd phobia. Religious types are particularly averse to swearing, especially any blasphemous references. What about the bullying aspects too? Goalkeepers especially get this in copious quantities. Fat shaming? Oh dear, where will it end, ban the lot. What a fucking shower, It was only a smoke bomb FFS!

You don't get it, do you? - the clue is in the two words, "smoke" and "bomb"

 

[shorehamview]

Look after your own, you don't throw your fellow blades to the dogs, full stop, we are a family and an army. My views on pyro are indifferent but even if I was the strongest protester against it, I would never dream of stitching up a fellow blade. It's just classless, disgusting and wrong.

What else can they do without impunity then? What would a "fellow Blade" have to do for you to inform the police? Can they steal? Can they damage something? Beat someone senseless? Stab them? Kill them?

This "don't be a grass" nonsense is absolute bollocks. It's the phrase used by the spineless who don't want to stand up to the bullies.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Did you know that blowing up a balloon can result in a severe asthmatic attack for some. Some people have crowd phobia. Religious types are particularly averse to swearing, especially any blasphemous references. What about the bullying aspects too? Goalkeepers especially get this in copious quantities. Fat shaming? Oh dear, where will it end, ban the lot. What a fucking shower, It was only a smoke bomb FFS!

Did you just compare blowing up a balloon and being offended by blasphemy with being forced to sit through and inhale a thick cloud of smoke (having also paid for the 'privilege')? These things could genuinely kill an asthmatic. They are banned for a reason.

 

[Seanshoreham]

Seem to remember a lot of Blades getting very upset when Fenerbahce fans threw flares onto our pitch, double standards from some perhaps?

 

[derryblade]

Well this guy has paid the price, after having to watch 3rd tier football, for what seems an eternity he won't get the chance to watch United play Championship football live any time soon. If this action by the Club deters other idiots taking these flares to matches, I personally applaud it, well done SUFC.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

Couldn’t disagree with this post more. A minority of dickheads undermine our majority with their selfish, immature, criminal behavior. The consequences have been spelt out time and time again and this bonehead deserves everything he gets.


The tribalism of being a blade can be a pleasant experience. But it shouldn’t override common decency. Blade or not, if you’re a twat hell bent on breaking laws, you deserve everything you get.


Whoever “grassed him up” might get to enjoy matches with one less dickhead spoiling it now.


He’ll probably be banned for a year or two during which time, he will hopefully learn his lesson and grow up a bit.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Are you serious? Someone who is quite happy to break ground regulations and the law, to selfishly pollute the air of all those around him / her self, (the vast majority of whom will not enjoy the experience), to risk causing life changing injuries to people, all because they decide that their version of 'a good time' should come above and beyond everyone's else's, should not be named and punished?

People who act in this way are not 'one of my own'. Just like those who think it's a good idea to get so arseholed that they can barely stand and spend the majority of their match day abusing other people (even those who are 'one of their own).

If you want to behave like a bellend and don't give a fuck about anyone else, you don't deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us and want banning.

Have a massive like.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

They only get thrown because they are illegal and the people don't want to get caught (or grassed up by the snakes). While it would be preferable if people didn't have them at all, legalising them would make it ten times safer as they would be used properly rather than thrown around potentially causing harm.

Or safer still if people just follow the rules and don’t bring them in.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Whilst on the subject of the flare at PV.

You may remember a Thread a while ago about an autistic lad who had a thrown flare by a Blade, land near him at the Rochdale game.

The result was that he and his mum had to sit away from the REST of the family and by special arrangement (and thanks to Port Vale here) sat in the disabled fans section at the far end of the ground.

It's quite unfair that he and his mum had to do this - yet this is now part of getting him back used to crowds and hopefully getting back on the "away" end.

Some of our so called fans never seem to learn or are wanting to learn of the dangers.

It's a shame yet again that some of our fans - even some posting now, who refuse to see it as a problem.

UTB

Agreed. A dangerous combination of selfishness and ignorance at work.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

There's also fans on here that want 3,000 of us banning for going on the pitch at Northampton.

Really? Who has advocated that?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

OOOH don't be a grasser - the Bully's Charter.

Are you still at school?

 

[GrozzaTheBlade]

We are citizens of a democratic society and we have a responsibility to abide by all the laws, not just the ones that suit us.

It's attitudes like yours, and a complete lack of moral and community responsibility, that have this country in the mess it's in.

He travels from ireland for most games - not an excuse but in ireland you light a flare at a game and nothing is done, he's misunderstood the situation, -got carried away and has to face the consequences.

But this is definitely a case of its not what you know..

 

[snootyfenooty]

Did you just compare blowing up a balloon and being offended by blasphemy with being forced to sit through and inhale a thick cloud of smoke (having also paid for the 'privilege')? These things could genuinely kill an asthmatic. They are banned for a reason.

No. The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be something someone is going to get all indignant about. Football grounds are becoming more morgue-like in direct proportion to the things you're not allowed to do or say these days.

 

[Blade for Sale]

No. The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be something someone is going to get all indignant about. Football grounds are becoming more morgue-like in direct proportion to the things you're not allowed to do or say these days.

I agree that the matchday experience is not what it was, in part due to over zealous policing/stewarding, badly thought out policies and apathy on the part of clubs. But I think the policy on flares/smoke bombs is fair. My old dear was asthmatic and prone to anxiety attacks, the 2 often feeding off each other. She's no longer with us but did used to come to the odd game, and had one of them gone off near her I would have genuinely feared for her life.

 

[Crouchy]

No. The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be something someone is going to get all indignant about. Football grounds are becoming more morgue-like in direct proportion to the things you're not allowed to do or say these days.

What are you not allowed to say?

 

[Crouchy]

Seems it doesn't really matter, the outcome is the same and rightfully so IMHO

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/sheffield-united-pyrotechnics-3683124.aspx

I'm surprised no-one commented on the scarf that that kid is holding in the picture. "Sheffield"??? What's all that about?

 

[knowsnowt]

He's a reyt silly sausage and no mistake.
Into the pan, fan.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Wonder if this view was shared during 1993 when Blades fans created special atmospheres at Wembley & Hillsborough. The club were only too happy to be associated then!

I think people became a little nervous about th

Seems it doesn't really matter, the outcome is the same and rightfully so IMHO

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/sheffield-united-pyrotechnics-3683124.aspx

What is the outcome? It doesn't say. There is no suggestion the kid has been banned. It's more likely that they have been told off and given another chance. Which actually I'm ok with. I mentioned the other day that this kind of thing has been normalised because clubs haven't clamped down on it.

Now we have made it explicitly clear there should be no further repeat. And if there is then they should be banned and the club should say so publicly.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Seem to remember a lot of Blades getting very upset when Fenerbahce fans threw flares onto our pitch, double standards from some perhaps?

And Leeds! That was seen as too low to go by Blades at the time. But now it's ok for some idiots on here eh? I can't believe some of our fans have sunk that low to think it's ok. They are just too stupid for words.

It's NOT ok to throw something that can burn, maim or even kill, into a crowd of people. If you want to do that have some balls and join the army and get yourself off to Afghanistan or somewhere where you can do it for real. Don't hide behind your daft mates at a footy match and sneak one out.

Let's ask those who "don't mind" flares or pyro's if they remember what happened at Bradford City a few years ago? That was just a carelessly discarded cigarette end that caused people to lose their lives. A flare could cause serious problems. It's lucky one hasn't so far. Don't be the first idiot to find out that this is true.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No. The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be something someone is going to get all indignant about. Football grounds are becoming more morgue-like in direct proportion to the things you're not allowed to do or say these days.

And funnily enough, less supporters are getting killed or injured with it. We can still sing and make an atmosphere (though too many seem unwilling or will only do it if they have a skinfull for some reason). As long as what you’re doing isn’t endangering others or ruining it for them, then there’s no issues. I think the loss of atmosphere in football has more to do with the increased costs and the absurd sums earned by the players making fans resent the when they don’t perform to “acceptable” standards.


Things you can’t say? Yeah was much better in the nice old racist days eh?

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

There was a time (70s? 80s?) when the game nearest Nov 5th always had some bangers thrown around on the Kop. I never felt good about those flying past my ears (I've managed to lose enough hearing naturally), or about the possibility of one lodging in my duffle-coat hood (fashion crime, I know, but there you go). It was something I took into account when timing the introduction of my kids to the Lane. I understand the attraction of fireworks, but people have to understand that there is a time and a place; in a crowd is just plain wrong.