Idiotic Blades fans

[GRUMPY BLADE]

This is a question I've had to ask myself. The answer is no. I'd rather humbly ask that common sense be applied in the use of smoke bombs, and for an informal code of conduct to be established between those using them. They can be used allied with common sense. They will always provide difficulties, and mean I have to adapt (or compromise) in some ways. I'm against the sterilisation and gentrification of football generally. I'm also pro safe standing etc, so I may not be representative. of people who have concerns re smoke bombs.

The main problem is that the instigator gets arrested so has to throw it in an attempt to avoid said arrest.

I'd suggest leaving the user alone to let the smoke bomb/flare expire would be common sense?

A snatch squad of stewards coming up the stand is the main problem (after letting them get past the search going into the ground in the first place) which no doubt generates the throw?

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

 

[SwissBlade]

LOL. How long have you gone to matches? How many deaths have you seen or been aware of excluding Hillsbro,Ibrox,Birmingham and Heysel?
Grow up and stop being a bleeding heart. Its so fucking passe.

Yep add that. Club culpability due to neglect.

Forgot that one. But there was that old bloke had a stroke at Accrington,the old bird with the ingrowing toenails at Blyth Spartans,the dog run over by a sub warming up at Plymouth and probably me at The Lane with a heart attack at some point.
Suck it the fuck up.

So how many deaths have their been at football with the exception of any games where people have died? Obviously thats zero...

Does it have to be about death? or just common sense

I was at Forest back in the 90's when our own fans thought it was an exceptionally good idea to spark up a flare (not a smoke bomb), many will remember that season we had an increasing number of flares at games. The problem at Forest though, was rather than to hold the flare and let it burn itself out, the guy threw it down the stand (into our own fans) and it hit and burnt a young kid. I think they were banned from all football grounds as a result of this.

We didn't really see them again for perhaps 10 years.... then in 2002/03 we had a few launched from South Stand into or towards the away end. All fun and games again until, against Wednesday, one landed in their fans and burnt a kid.

Seem to remember that we had one at Barnsley over the last few years too which resulted in burns.

The Common theme appears to be kids getting burnt by these things, but lets not ban kids. Lets not just "suck it the fuck up" and lets take some responsibility that these things aren't needed or wanted, because, unlike European sides (and celtic) we're not able to behave ourselves with them.

 

[Canterbury Blade]

A flare burns at great heat, it is designed to be seen from a long way by both the light it gives off and the excessive smoke it gives off. Flames and heat burn and smoke ain't good for the lungs.

It is thus by definition a little bit dangerous if used in the wrong place or by the wrong hands.

Throwing it at anyone is going to hurt if it strikes or will cause panic by those fearful of being burnt or inhaling excessive smoke. No one likes hot smoking things being thrown at them. Football grounds contain a mix of young, old and people with varying degrees of strength, athleticism, breathing difficulties and movement.

To the wannabees - there are loads of ways to fight your own equivalents. Please don't do it a cowardly way by throwing things. Equally, never throw it amongst your own fans or set it off in confined under seat concourses.

To the thick - the knob head from lowestoft at Colchester away last year was no hooligan. He thought it would be fun to let one off for 'atmosphere'. He didn't know what he was doing, became afraid and dropped it around some elderly Blades. I saw their reaction.

I don't like old or in fact any people being afraid, especially if they've travelled to watch Sheffield United and sit in a freezing cold stadium miles from home, when we were probably at our worst. They deserve the respect that another Blade will not frighten or hurt them.

So to me there is no place for these flares and they should become considered as offensive as some of the other things that used to be thrown at football grounds, said or sung. It is only that which will stop it due to poor searches.

Please, I'm no killjoy and love atmosphere, I just dont like the behaviours of bullies, cowards and knobheads affecting people who have no right to be affected..

Would you let one off in your local pub when your Gran and family were there?

 

[diplomat]

A flare went off after the third goal. To be fair, it got held up, not lobbed, then a steward with a massive glove came up and took it away to dispose of it. I didn't see anyone try and apprehend the person who lit and held it. I wouldn't have liked to have been in front or behind the person holding it though.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

We're on the same page. I'm not anti smoke bombs or into spoiling young uns fun. Read bottom of post 349 again - I think you'll see that we see things much the same way (probably didn't have to fall out!). I could have made a big deal out of the situation at Oakwell but kept my gob shut. Compromised. Just made sure I'm not in the way off the smoke bombs. I take lad for a piss before half time, all that jazz. Just wish they'd bang their heads together about what the best time and place to chuck em is, really. Please accept my apology for calling you a prick. Might be my first sending off?

No need to apologise mate. I fully understand why the issue is close to home for you.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I'm with Tyler Durden on this, there is no chance any children could possibly have been hit. That area was exclusively filled with an array of idiots. All were above 'child age' it's fake news. I don't condone the lobbing of smoke bombs but if a zone of nobheads was there to lob one in to, this was it

I repeat a question I asked about a similar statement in another thread. If it injured one of the nobheads, how would that have benefited United or football in general? Please don't give our morons an excuse for behaviour that is just plain wrong.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

A flare burns at great heat, it is designed to be seen from a long way by both the light it gives off and the excessive smoke it gives off. Flames and heat burn and smoke ain't good for the lungs.

It is thus by definition a little bit dangerous if used in the wrong place or by the wrong hands.

Throwing it at anyone is going to hurt if it strikes or will cause panic by those fearful of being burnt or inhaling excessive smoke. No one likes hot smoking things being thrown at them. Football grounds contain a mix of young, old and people with varying degrees of strength, athleticism, breathing difficulties and movement.

To the wannabees - there are loads of ways to fight your own equivalents. Please don't do it a cowardly way by throwing things. Equally, never throw it amongst your own fans or set it off in confined under seat concourses.

To the thick - the knob head from lowestoft at Colchester away last year was no hooligan. He thought it would be fun to let one off for 'atmosphere'. He didn't know what he was doing, became afraid and dropped it around some elderly Blades. I saw their reaction.

I don't like old or in fact any people being afraid, especially if they've travelled to watch Sheffield United and sit in a freezing cold stadium miles from home, when we were probably at our worst. They deserve the respect that another Blade will not frighten or hurt them.

So to me there is no place for these flares and they should become considered as offensive as some of the other things that used to be thrown at football grounds, said or sung. It is only that which will stop it due to poor searches.

Please, I'm no killjoy and love atmosphere, I just dont like the behaviours of bullies, cowards and knobheads affecting people who have no right to be affected..

Would you let one off in your local pub when your Gran and family were there?

Thank-you for posting one of the best threads I have read on the Forum.

 

[shorehamview]

I'm not condoning throwing stuff, any one who does is a fucking idiot and deserves locking up. But don't you think that if a child had been hit that it would have been all over the news? Yet strangely nothing of note has been seen. Wonder why that is?

 

[diplomat]

I repeat a question I asked about a similar statement in another thread. If it injured one of the nobheads, how would that have benefited United or football in general? Please don't give our morons an excuse for behaviour that is just plain wrong.

I didn't mean it to come across like that, I don't want to see that kind of caper at all. The point was more the false outrage of it hitting a child.

 

[sitwell]

I just don't get the thinking behind someone who actually goes to a shop ( I wouldn't know where) and buys a flare a day before a game ,then has to travel to the game with the flares ,take them in the pub hoping not to get nicked ,smuggle them into the ground avoided detection from a search at the risk of missing a piece of history in the making. Lighting it up or whatever instead of celebrating a goal (what if we hadn't scored) ,taking a chance on being banned from future football ,risking your mates getting burned then lobbing it at some empty seats 20 yards away (what if his seat had been on the other side ?) Awesome What exactly do you get out of that ? just don't get it . Having being stood next to an elderly bloke at Oakwell last season when one whisked by my ear and burned through his coat ,I would quite happily kick shit out of anyone I caught throwing one.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I just don't get the thinking behind someone who actually goes to a shop ( I wouldn't know where) and buys a flare a day before a game ,then has to travel to the game with the flares ,take them in the pub hoping not to get nicked ,smuggle them into the ground avoided detection from a search at the risk of missing a piece of history in the making. Lighting it up or whatever instead of celebrating a goal (what if we hadn't scored) ,taking a chance on being banned from future football ,risking your mates getting burned then lobbing it at some empty seats 20 yards away (what if his seat had been on the other side ?) Awesome What exactly do you get out of that ? just don't get it . Having being stood next to an elderly bloke at Oakwell last season when one whisked by my ear and burned through his coat ,I would quite happily kick shit out of anyone I caught throwing one.

You don't get the thinking because you are not a total moron.

Perhaps one of the apologists who have defended it can enlighten us. Presumably they are are closer to the mind set of a total moron, but still capable of sentient thought and can express it through the written word. Half wits on the continuum towards full fuck wittery.

 

[coolhandluke]

I just don't get the thinking behind someone who actually goes to a shop ( I wouldn't know where) and buys a flare a day before a game ,then has to travel to the game with the flares ,take them in the pub hoping not to get nicked ,smuggle them into the ground avoided detection from a search at the risk of missing a piece of history in the making. Lighting it up or whatever instead of celebrating a goal (what if we hadn't scored) ,taking a chance on being banned from future football ,risking your mates getting burned then lobbing it at some empty seats 20 yards away (what if his seat had been on the other side ?) Awesome What exactly do you get out of that ? just don't get it . Having being stood next to an elderly bloke at Oakwell last season when one whisked by my ear and burned through his coat ,I would quite happily kick shit out of anyone I caught throwing one.

You don't get the thinking because you are not a total moron.

Perhaps one of the apologists who have defended it can enlighten us. Presumably they are are closer to the mind set of a total moron, but still capable of sentient thought and can express it through the written word. Half wits on the continuum towards full fuck wittery.

Agreed

Its like the mentally abnormal idiots who go to incredible lengths to imbibe their IQ equivalent in pints of beer . Why ? Are you alcoholic ? Is it beyond your sad and sorry existence to consider entering a sports stadium without even further impairing your already limited mental faculties by throwing alcohol down your inbred throats ?

Even worse are the " real ale enthusiasts ( sic ) ' . This mentally subnormal , obnoxious , underclass go to extraordinary lengths to find their mecca which is always some hovel selling poison which they pass off to the idiots who buy it as ' craft beer ' . Wise up you complete head cases , they are plying you with a substance that impairs your already limited intelligence , making you obnoxious , belligerent , aggressive and a disgrace to the club , the sport and human kind in general .

Here's a message to these neanderthals . Go to the match drunk and you are breaking the law . You risk prosecution , a football banning order and losing your job in the process . You also ruin the day for many and tarnish the image of the club .

Are these people so stupid that they can't see the damage they are doing to those around them ? Obviously not as you'd need a fully functioning brain to do this instead of the alcohol saturated sponges that these imbeciles have instead .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

The concourse at Vale at half time was like the set of a post apocalyptic zombie B-Movie.

 

[sitwell]

The concourse at Vale at half time was like the set of a post apocalyptic zombie B-Movie.

Only 3 at the urinals but each cubicle had a queue 4 deep as far as I could see through the red mist ,I bet not one sheet of bog roll was used though

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Only 3 at the urinals but each cubicle had a queue 4 deep as far as I could see through the red mist ,I bet not one sheet of bog roll was used though

Thought the same. Bet enough coke was snorted to satisfy Tony Montana!

 

[derryblade]

Just seen the video of a knobhead setting the flare off in Weatherspoons pub in Leek where do these so called Blades come from.

 

[coolhandluke]

Just seen the video of a knobhead setting the flare off in Weatherspoons pub in Leek where do these so called Blades come from.

Blame the beer . No beer , no pissed up imbecile , no flare . Simple .

 

[derryblade]

Blame the beer . No beer , no pissed up imbecile , no flare . Simple .

If you can't handle the beer don't drink it, just as simple, don't spoil it for others or affect people who are working in the pub earning a crust.

 

[Canterbury Blade]

Agreed

Its like the mentally abnormal idiots who go to incredible lengths to imbibe their IQ equivalent in pints of beer . Why ? Are you alcoholic ? Is it beyond your sad and sorry existence to consider entering a sports stadium without even further impairing your already limited mental faculties by throwing alcohol down your inbred throats ?

Even worse are the " real ale enthusiasts ( sic ) ' . This mentally subnormal , obnoxious , underclass go to extraordinary lengths to find their mecca which is always some hovel selling poison which they pass off to the idiots who buy it as ' craft beer ' . Wise up you complete head cases , they are plying you with a substance that impairs your already limited intelligence , making you obnoxious , belligerent , aggressive and a disgrace to the club , the sport and human kind in general .

Here's a message to these neanderthals . Go to the match drunk and you are breaking the law . You risk prosecution , a football banning order and losing your job in the process . You also ruin the day for many and tarnish the image of the club .

Are these people so stupid that they can't see the damage they are doing to those around them ? Obviously not as you'd need a fully functioning brain to do this instead of the alcohol saturated sponges that these imbeciles have instead .

I don't know where you've been drinking, or who you've seen in real ale pubs, but in my experience, the decent real ale pubs in away towns don't attract the eejits.

There's a group of Blades who tend to go to the same pubs and they're all decent fellas, who enjoy a pint of proper beer before the match. They wreck nothing and can handle their ale. The Northampton pub crawl ending in the Malt Shovel and the micropub in Bristol where I met some great Rovers fans, including one who never misses a game and lives in Glasgow (!) and The Gluepot in Swindon being recent highlights. Travelling through London a fair bit I also find decent away fans in places like The Parcel Yard or the Doric Arch.

I'm not sure you can blame the ale and develop a nanny state of sobriety. And certainly I don't recognise your description of real ale drinking Blades from my own travels to watch United and drink decent beer.

 

[coolhandluke]

If you can't handle the beer don't drink it, just as simple, don't spoil it for others or affect people who are working in the pub earning a crust.

It's easy to work out isn't it . So why can't the morons who insist upon drinking before attending the match see the damage they are doing ? As well as being a moronic thing to do its breaking the law .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

It's easy to work out isn't it . So why can't the morons who insist upon drinking before attending the match see the damage they are doing ? As well as being a moronic thing to do its breaking the law .

In fairness boozing before the match has always been part of the day. Seems the introduction and addition of other drugs along with the existance of an underclass of chavs who see the match as an opportunity to behave like savages has taken things to a whole new level. There was a substantial number at Vale who didn't bother leaving the toilets/concourse to even watch the game.

 

[derryblade]

It's easy to work out isn't it . So why can't the morons who insist upon drinking before attending the match see the damage they are doing ? As well as being a moronic thing to do its breaking the law .

Even more so when we are petitioning for more tickets for MK claiming the supporters just want to celebrate the achievement not cause trouble, the majority certainly do, these morons contradict that claim.

 

[coolhandluke]

I don't know where you've been drinking, or who you've seen in real ale pubs, but in my experience, the decent real ale pubs in away towns don't attract the eejits.

There's a group of Blades who tend to go to the same pubs and they're all decent fellas, who enjoy a pint of proper beer before the match. They wreck nothing and can handle their ale. The Northampton pub crawl ending in the Malt Shovel and the micropub in Bristol where I met some great Rovers fans, including one who never misses a game and lives in Glasgow (!) and The Gluepot in Swindon being recent highlights.

I'm not sure you can blame the ale and develop a nanny state of sobriety. And certainly I don't recognise your description of real ale drinking Blades from my own travels to watch United and drink decent beer.

Drunk entering a sports stadium is a criminal offence . Do these ' decent fellas ' who enjoy ' proper beer ' make a habit of blatant criminality ? They knowingly ruin the match day experience for so many I simply refuse to acknowledge that they dont know what they are doing .

Selfish criminals have no place at the game .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Chavs tend not to even know what real ale is in my extensive experience in the hospitality industry and prefer cooking lager and fruit ciders.
And recreational drugs that don't come in pint pots.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Drunk entering a sports stadium is a criminal offence . Do these ' decent fellas ' who enjoy ' proper beer ' make a habit of blatant criminality ? They knowingly ruin the match day experience for so many I simply refuse to acknowledge that they dont know what they are doing .

Selfish criminals have no place at the game .

And so says Dianne Abbott

 

[bladesmanluke]

20 pages of faux outrage. Impressive

 

[HillmortonBlade]

20 pages of faux outrage. Impressive

It's gone from outrage to tee-totalling hysteria

 

[Antonb]

yep go read the website, this could have long term repercussions for the fans and our club. A certain section of fans need to calm down a bit. If your one of them, bloody stop! You could end up ruining this great season.

 

[Dkc]

Surely it won't be too long before we see relatively safe "e-flares." However, they will no doubt be banned everywhere that normal flares are banned.