A yank who would appreciate some SUFC culture- and general football schooling

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Jennifer said:
Only because the name was huge in the late 1970s. Which meant I was never the only one in my class with that name. I wanted to be the only one. Other than that I have embraced it. Legend has it it is derived from the name Guinevere. And I can handle that.
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Married to a Jennifer myself, in my experience they're all a bit mad so if you follow that you'll fit in well on here :)
 



Yellarbellyblade said:
Something else you need to do is google "The Greasy Chip Butty Song" and watch that on YouTube. This is our supporters anthem sung at the start of each half and usually towards the end of matches. Think "you'll never walk alone" with humour rather than pathos!

Sung to Annie's Song by John Denver
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I'll check it out. But here's my question -- why a John Denver song?

Tunstall Fred said:
Think Worcestershire sauce only much much better! (Vegan friendly too in case you're bothered!)
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Oh, I'm an omnivore. That's for sure. I'm not opposed to the occasional vegan/vegetarian meal. But it's not a regular thing.
 
Dellas Cowboys said:
Yes, after "Jennifer" mentioned it first
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Can't remember if I mentioned it or not, but I am a member of sheffieldforums.co.uk and two Sheffield-centric FB pages, in addition to being a member here. I also follow the Blades FB and Twitter feeds. They're about the only reason I have a Twitter acct. That and Ryan Reynolds. Not because I think he's cute (he's not ugly, but he doesn't do much for me. there's no there there), but because he gets the most ballsy propositions from men and women alike and his responses to them are hilarious. I nearly fell out of my wheeled desk chair laughing at them once.
 
Jennifer said:
I'll check it out. But here's my question -- why a John Denver song?
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good question.. i'm not sure where it came from. we had a spate of these 'love' songs at one point.. 'falling in love with you' is another one
 
It's just . . . he's American. I would have thought they might have gone with a Brit singer/songwriter's tune. Especially since football is so deeply woven into the fabric of British society. It'd be like Peter Gabriel writing the song for, I don't know, The New York Yankees or something.

Between this forum, the other forum I've joined, and the two FB pages, I'm gonna need a week just to review all these articles, pages, and videos. Make necessary notes, etc. But keep it up. Because when I haven't got the wherewithal to write, I can always read and research.

BTW, if anyone can furnish a link in Region 1 format for "When Saturday Comes," they just might get themselves a mention on the "Acknowledgment" page when the day comes this sucker is finally published. I've looked and can't find one anywhere, either in downloadable format or DVD.

It doesn't even need to be in stellar, pristine quality. It just needs to . . . be.

Thanks.
 
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OMIGOD . . . it will cost me 12 pounds (s & h incl) to get a bottle of Hendo's sent to me from over there. Which means it will cost probably 13/14 on my end, depending on how the dollar is doing (snort!). Might have to delay that a bit.
 
LYDON said:
I'm free......
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I saw on a previous post that your character will have grown up in the 60's or 70's on a Sheffield Housing estate. It's quite crucial from a Blades supporting point of view when he started going to games or getting interested. If he was born in the early to mid 60's he might remember seeing the golden era of Tony Currie and Alan Woodward (Woody moved to America in 1978 and lived in Tulsa) and will likely yearn for a return to those days. If, like me, he was born in the late 60's or early 70's, he probably won't have seen them and was brought up when we were on our way down the leagues. He might remember Sabella and Edwards but will probably fondly recall the team of the late 80's early 90's that won promotion twice under Dave Bassett with Brian Deane and Tony Agana being most peoples heroes of that era.

With regard to council housing estates, Sheffield in the 60's and 70's featured many ugly high rise flats, particularly on Norfolk Park where there were 15 tower blocks. Plus, they were all demolished during the 90's and 2000's (the last in 2006). Just a suggestion because Norfolk Park is close to Bramall Lane and definitely a 'Blades' area.
 
It's also worth mentioning that any fan who started attending football matches in the 70's and 80's would have been aware of football hooliganism or perhaps even involved. This even included 'organised' football hooliganism. Sheffield United were certainly renowned for having their own base core of organised football hooliganism.
 
I remember an incident of that sometime in the late 80s, early 90s. Made news here, just can't remember where it was.
 
Jennifer said:
I remember an incident of that sometime in the late 80s, early 90s. Made news here, just can't remember where it was.
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It was pretty much at all football league grounds at some time or another, however Millwall and Leeds were particularly notorious.
However, the incident that probably made the most news was when Liverpool fans rioted at Heysel Stadium at the European Cup Final in 1985, which resulted in the deaths of 39 Juventus fans.
 
Linz said:
It's called a glottal stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop

Jennifer - Apologies if you already know all this.

I'm assuming there won't be a great deal of dialect involved so as to appeal to a broad audience. But one thing that grates as an avid reader is when an American writes an English character but has them using American colloquialisms or terms. Even for "standard English", I'd hazard some American writers feel they are having to relearn a language they thought they had spoken all their lives and that becomes doubly complicated when attempting to place a character geographically in the UK and it come across as authentic.

A specific example for your character. An English meal would involve a starter, main and dessert/pudding... only really pretentious places would refer to entrées (which means starter - I understand it used to mean "main course" in some parts of America) and only American restaurants would say "appetizer".

It does stand out... two countries separated by a common language and all that. I would ensure you have a friendly Anglophone on hand to check for any oddities before publication.

In terms of football fans, we are almost universally creatures of habit. We tend to meet the same people, in the same pubs, drink the same drinks, leave at the same time and sit in the same seats from August to April/May when the season ends.

Language tends to be "industrial"... as you may have gathered if you read the forum... as football evokes strong emotions. If he's a Blade, your chef will be battered and a bit world-weary. It comes with the territory (both being a Unitedite and being a chef... most of the ones I've worked with have been miserable sods :D).



No... it doesn't. I can vouch for the veracity of the OP thanks to the limited checks we do on allowing new members through.

People are very unduly cynical of new members... not a very Sheffield welcome.
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Look at Linz putting her posh voice on
 
Salut Jennifer

Nous sommes partout . Maintenant que Linz m'a persuadé que vous êtes authentique je voudrais dire désolé de avoir douté et je vous souhaite bon chance avec votre projet

Cahill de Carcassonne

Can you ride tandem ?
 



Dellas Cowboys said:
Yes, after "Jennifer" mentioned it first
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Linz says she is what she says lighten up

In any event I'm quite enjoying it anyway. It takes our minds off Oldham and the rest of the season and has stopped another "how many points do we need" thread. For that alone I welcome Jennifer with open arms!!!
 
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Jennifer Having read all this thread you've got plenty to keep you busy. For my two penneth (contribution) and as an exiled Sheffielder, when I'm at the match I just love listening to the locals speaking. It's like beautiful music. I have so many memories and emotions tied up in that dialect - it's thick and unctuous and marvellous.
 
stringjunior said:
It's like beautiful music. I have so many memories and emotions tied up in that dialect - it's thick and unctuous and marvellous.
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I once took a phone message for a supposed "highly educated" man who was actually a massive, obnoxious wanker. Anyway, the message was somewhat garbled, as the line was awful and she had what I described as a "thick Irish accent", obviously meaning "strong", rendered unintelligible by the rubbish phone signal.

He ranted for ages about how unreasonable I was to cast aspersions on the supposed intellect of this individual before I managed to get a word in edgeways and suggest that the synonym I could've used was "strong" instead of "stupid", the latter never occurring me in that context.

Gods, he was a prick.
 
stringjunior said:
Jennifer when I'm at the match I just love listening to the locals speaking. It's like beautiful music. I have so many memories and emotions tied up in that dialect - it's thick and unctuous and marvellous.
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True story.

A few years ago I was waiting in the queue for one of the rides at Universal Studios in Florida.
I was chatting away with my family when a young American girl about 18 yrs old with her friends said.

"Excuse me but where are you from? Is it Australia?"
I replied "No Sheffield, England", they seemed confused as though they thought everyone from England talks like a city gent/ Hugh Grant type. Then they said "we think your accent is AWESOME"

I was about 30 at the time clearly with my wife and kids, so they were being genuine and not trying a chat up line. So for any single Sheffield lads desperate for a bird get thi sens off't US ha.
 
Sheffsteel said:
True story.

A few years ago I was waiting in the queue for one of the rides at Universal Studios in Florida.
I was chatting away with my family when a young American girl about 18 yrs old with her friends said.

"Excuse me but where are you from? Is it Australia?"
I replied "No Sheffield, England", they seemed confused as though they thought everyone from England talks like a city gent/ Hugh Grant type. Then they said "we think your accent is AWESOME"

I was about 30 at the time clearly with my wife and kids, so they were being genuine and not trying a chat up line. So for any single Sheffield lads desperate for a bird get thi sens off't US ha.
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Same thing happened to me in Dallas, and my accent is very much neutral English - just the odd Northern vowel.

I'd have settled for anything but bloody Australian. :)
 
stringjunior said:
Jennifer Having read all this thread you've got plenty to keep you busy. For my two penneth (contribution) and as an exiled Sheffielder, when I'm at the match I just love listening to the locals speaking. It's like beautiful music. I have so many memories and emotions tied up in that dialect - it's thick and unctuous and marvellous.
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I don't live so far away (dirty Leeds) but the difference is noticeable. I love listening to the blokes who sit near me "Don't loise it theer Freeman" and the like. I found myself yelling "Don't nesh it man!" the other week, suddenly realising "nesh" is a word I haven't used for years! Ah were reight chuffed abaht it!
 



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