Contract extentions

[BladeInIreland]

I keep seeing posts from people urging us to sort contracts out for the likes of freeman. Also wilder says they won't get sorted till the end of the year. But I came across an article from the contracts thread stating coutts, freeman, Basham, sharp and done all have a appearence based contract extension clause. Which were soon to be triggered, the article was in December. Anybody see anything official? Is this why done doesn't seem to be played as much? Don't think he would get near the team next year so we should avoid triggering it.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...-blades-stars-are-set-for-new-deals-1-8288244

 

[nopigfansintown]

Yep, same with Scougall and Mcnulty.

 

[Ricky]

In that case Done shouldn't be on the bench. But if it is the case then why the hell would Wilder have brought him on at left back for 30 seconds against Scunny when Riley was also on the bench?

With him, Scougall and McNulty, we will have spent around £1m in transfer fees only to get absolutely nothing back. And we wouldn't get much more back if they were under contract and we sold them.

Fancy a third tier team spending £1m on 3 players and losing them all on free transfers.... not because they rejected contracts, but because they're nowhere near good enough.

Classic FLN.

 

[BladeInIreland]

In that case Done shouldn't be on the bench. But if it is the case then why the hell would Wilder have brought him on at left back for 30 seconds against Scunny when Riley was also on the bench?

With him, Scougall and McNulty, we will have spent around £1m in transfer fees only to get absolutely nothing back. And we wouldn't get much more back if they were under contract and we sold them.

Classic FLN.

FLN?

I didn't think about the Scunthorpe appearance, makes it even more bizarre. Unless the clause is already triggered.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

FLN?

I didn't think about the Scunthorpe appearance, makes it even more bizarre. Unless the clause is already triggered.

Wouldn't surprise me if the deal is already done for him to go back to Rochdale in a part exchange .

Keith Hill and Done is the same as Clough and Brayford love in .

 

[BladeInIreland]

Wouldn't surprise me if the deal is already done for him to go back to Rochdale in a part exchange .

Keith Hill and Done is the same as Clough and Brayford love in .

Looking at roys view from they seem to rate him, seems an obvious place for him to go. Who did ya have in mind in exchange?

 

[Ricky]

Looking at roys view from they seem to rate him, seems an obvious place for him to go. Who did ya have in mind in exchange?

There'll be nobody in exchange if he's out of contract. Which is a shame because I wouldn't mind us taking Jamie Allen from them, or maybe Joe Bunney.

 

[Barney]

FLN?

Funny Little Nigel

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Looking at roys view from they seem to rate him, seems an obvious place for him to go. Who did ya have in mind in exchange?

Vincenti and Rathbone .

Would be happy with that .

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

There'll be nobody in exchange if he's out of contract. Which is a shame because I wouldn't mind us taking Jamie Allen from them, or maybe Joe Bunney.

Good point . Could it be some method in Wilders madness and wants Done in a contract , so we don't lose him for nowt , and can use him in PX. Hence 30 second cameo against Scunny .

 

[Grizzly blade]

In that case Done shouldn't be on the bench. But if it is the case then why the hell would Wilder have brought him on at left back for 30 seconds against Scunny when Riley was also on the bench?

With him, Scougall and McNulty, we will have spent around £1m in transfer fees only to get absolutely nothing back. And we wouldn't get much more back if they were under contract and we sold them.

Fancy a third tier team spending £1m on 3 players and losing them all on free transfers.... not because they rejected contracts, but because they're nowhere near good enough.

Classic FLN.

Did we spend that on them?
Was the fee for Clarke good value?

Every club has transfer winners and losers. You deem those 3 Clough signings as losers....but what about Bash? Or Coutts? Or Freeman?
Have all of Wilders signings been a success....No....I'm not ranting about it mind, but sometimes there really needs to be some balance to posts on here.

 

[Ricky]

Did we spend that on them?
Was the fee for Clarke good value?

Every club has transfer winners and losers. You deem those 3 Clough signings as losers....but what about Bash? Or Coutts? Or Freeman?
Have all of Wilders signings been a success....No....I'm not ranting about it mind, but sometimes there really needs to be some balance to posts on here.

I know you win some and lose some, but no one can claim Clough even had a 50/50 record when it came to transfers. Even 2 of those 3 you name were poor under him and his replacement before Wilder got hold of them.

 

[Dkc]

In that case Done shouldn't be on the bench

Our bench shouldn't be dictated by contracts / appearances, it should be based on what subs we need. Done may not be a starter these days but he can still make an impact as a sub.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I know you win some and lose some, but no one can claim Clough even had a 50/50 record when it came to transfers. Even 2 of those 3 you name were poor under him and his replacement before Wilder got hold of them.

Ok, but in comparison Clough also got more out of Done, and Scougall...it's all subjective. I recall at one point when Scougall arrived and did very well there were talks of another club showing an interest. Freeman was a steady player under Clough, used as a defensive winger as well as full back.

What we need to remember is Clough signings were brought in to play for him and the way he wanted. He can't be blamed if Adkins didn't get the most from them. Luckily, Wilder has managed to get a few playing again.
But I certainly wouldn't say the majority of Cloughs signings were poor. He made errors, mainly around Wallace as it turned out and now getting stick for Brayford.

Anyway, it's been done to death. We are in a great position now with a mixture of players signed by 3 managers. The current manager doing a superb job.

 

[Ricky]

Our bench shouldn't be dictated by contracts / appearances, it should be based on what subs we need. Done may not be a starter these days but he can still make an impact as a sub.

Personally...

I wouldn't want someone on the bench who I'm hoping I never have to use, and the player wouldn't like that situation either. And there's the scenario of bringing him on, triggering the contract, only for him to have no impact on the game.

We have better sub options than Done in every position he plays, even more so when Chapman's back.

I've very rarely seen Done make an impact from the bench.

In the position we're now in we can get by without him altogether, it would be no risk at all to do so.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Personally...

I wouldn't want someone on the bench who I'm hoping I never have to use, and the player wouldn't like that situation either. And there's the scenario of bringing him on, triggering the contract, only for him to have no impact on the game.

We have better sub options than Done in every position he plays, even more so when Chapman's back.

I've very rarely seen Done make an impact from the bench.

In the position we're now in we can get by without him altogether, it would be no risk at all to do so.

If Lafferty goes off injured, who would replace him at left wing back without being forced into an unwanted change of formation?
It would have been Riley but he's not available for the rest of the season.
Done is the reserve left wing back now and a very useful option to have on the bench.

Long, EEL, Done, Carruthers, O'Shea, Chapman, Lavary gives us very good cover for ALL positions. Other options do not.

 

[YES Blade]

Wouldn't surprise me if the deal is already done for him to go back to Rochdale in a part exchange .

Keith Hill and Done is the same as Clough and Brayford love in .

The problem with that theory is that Rochdale won't be able to afford Done's contract.

So we'd be gambling on Done taking less money, we could be stuck with a player who is happy to sit on his contract for a year because he's never going to get one better at his age.

 

[Ricky]

If Lafferty goes off injured, who would replace him at left wing back without being forced into an unwanted change of formation?
It would have been Riley but he's not available for the rest of the season.
Done is the reserve left wing back now and a very useful option to have on the bench.

Long, EEL, Done, Carruthers, O'Shea, Chapman, Lavary gives us very good cover for ALL positions. Other options do not.

Hussey's a better left wing back than Done. He'd also give us a set piece/crossing option that we don't really have.

I'd rather have Done on the bench than Hussey for his extra versatility but not if we'll trigger a new contract for him.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I think this is becoming a little bit unfair on Done.

Ok, his goals tally has been poor. Last season he was poor. However, when he first arrived he was sharp and was scoring.
So we have to ask why?
Answer....last season Sharp arrived and his role changed. It's that simple.

He used to be the player taking up positions in the box, now Sharp does that. Plus, once Hanson arrived to be the target man and offfer the ability to mix up styles he was also limited in his value to the team.

 

[LJBlade]

The problem with that theory is that Rochdale won't be able to afford Done's contract.

So we'd be gambling on Done taking less money, we could be stuck with a player who is happy to sit on his contract for a year because he's never going to get one better at his age.

I often hear comments like this being made with no evidence to back them up so I have to ask. How much are we currently paying Done? How much can Rochdale afford?

 

[itsinyerblood]

The problem with that theory is that Rochdale won't be able to afford Done's contract.

So we'd be gambling on Done taking less money, we could be stuck with a player who is happy to sit on his contract for a year because he's never going to get one better at his age.

It poses the question, what would any of us do in the same situation? If Done has a family, if he has children that he needs to provide for, what should he do? No one forced the club to offer Done whatever he's being paid. It was entered into willingly by both player and club, yet the quick fix solution is to get the player off the books. Well, if that's the solution the club will have to pay up his contract.

It never fails to surprise me how the realities of life play no part in the questions that get asked when supporter's want rid of a player. It's a player's livelihood, so cut him some slack and appreciate why a player doesn't always go meekly into the unknown, at least not until they have agreed a satisfactory settlement.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

In that case Done shouldn't be on the bench. But if it is the case then why the hell would Wilder have brought him on at left back for 30 seconds against Scunny when Riley was also on the bench?

With him, Scougall and McNulty, we will have spent around £1m in transfer fees only to get absolutely nothing back. And we wouldn't get much more back if they were under contract and we sold them.

Fancy a third tier team spending £1m on 3 players and losing them all on free transfers.... not because they rejected contracts, but because they're nowhere near good enough.

Classic FLN.

I don’t think it would have been a million. I think I remember hearing figures of £100-150k each for Scougall and McNulty. Done I think was around £500k. To be fair, all did better under funny little Nigel than they’ve done since with the possible exception of a purple patch Scougall had earlier this season. I’d say they are the casualties of managerial change to some extent as if FNL had stayed, I think at least a couple of them would have continued to be involved.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Did we spend that on them?
Was the fee for Clarke good value?

Every club has transfer winners and losers. You deem those 3 Clough signings as losers....but what about Bash? Or Coutts? Or Freeman?
Have all of Wilders signings been a success....No....I'm not ranting about it mind, but sometimes there really needs to be some balance to posts on here.

I’d say Coutts’ biggest transfer win was probably Che Adams. As we pretty quickly sold him for probably about 15 times what we paid for him. But Basham as you say has also been a good contributor and eventually, so have Coutts and Freeman.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Ok, but in comparison Clough also got more out of Done, and Scougall...it's all subjective. I recall at one point when Scougall arrived and did very well there were talks of another club showing an interest. Freeman was a steady player under Clough, used as a defensive winger as well as full back.

What we need to remember is Clough signings were brought in to play for him and the way he wanted. He can't be blamed if Adkins didn't get the most from them. Luckily, Wilder has managed to get a few playing again.
But I certainly wouldn't say the majority of Cloughs signings were poor. He made errors, mainly around Wallace as it turned out and now getting stick for Brayford.

Anyway, it's been done to death. We are in a great position now with a mixture of players signed by 3 managers. The current manager doing a superb job.

More than his fair share of duds to be honest.


Higdon

JCR

Butler

J. Wallace

Alcock

McEveley

Turner

K. Wallace


Then there’s the argument over who signed Connor Sammon.


Then there’s those that have been mixed like McNulty, Scougall, Done, Coutts, Harris and Freeman.


Then there’s Adams who was a great find.

Then there’s Brayford but we paid so much for him he was ultimately bad value.


When we look at his loans we had


Paynter- Atrocious

Ben Davies- Steady utility player whilst on loan.

Freeman- Steady utility player whilst on loan

Brayford- Excellent whilst on loan

Paddy McCarthy- Pretty poor, didn’t train with the team.

O Grady- Good but only with us very briefly.

Holt- Quite good but in a position where we were already well stocked- the squad imbalance was a real problem of Clough’s.

Davies- decent.


So a mixed back but ultimately, his recruitment drive was more miss than hit for me.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I often hear comments like this being made with no evidence to back them up so I have to ask. How much are we currently paying Done? How much can Rochdale afford?

When we signed Done, Hill talked about them not being able to compete with the terms we could offer and him being able to “double his money” by signing for us so without knowing the figures, you can still make a reasoned guess that the previous statement is true.

 

[Grizzly blade]

More than his fair share of duds to be honest.



So a mixed back but ultimately, his recruitment drive was more miss than hit for me.

That's fair enough, opinions and all that.
If you look at those players he signed you list as poor, one thing is obvious and that's the lack of fee. Even if there was a fee it was very small.
And save Brayford, the arrival of those players would have had wages that matched their fee. I know that his wage budget wasn't the advantage it should have been, with several clubs having a bigger wage ceiling.
Many go mad at the money wasted by Clough, but if you take away Brayford (who he planned to sign permanently only if we went up) the figures weren't daft.

We were still stuck with some pkayers on silly money Doyle/Collins and he clearly felt he needed more players to get them doing what he wanted. And as he brought in more numbers that diluted what he could spend on each player.
Rightly or wrongly (wrongly as it turned out for him) that's the option he took. He risked on players with room to grow...McNulty, Scouggs, K Wallace, Adams when perhaps he should have had a different plan.

But, crucially as things stand he brought in 3 players who are having absolute storming seasons for Wilder. I think most who have read my posts will note that I love a midfielder...always have....and I shall always thank Clough for bringing Coutts to this club for this seasons performances alone. Been a joy to watch a genuinely talented, real footballer. Him and Fleck....my word. Never in my time following the club have we had a midfield pair like that.

 

[LJBlade]

When we signed Done, Hill talked about them not being able to compete with the terms we could offer and him being able to “double his money” by signing for us so without knowing the figures, you can still make a reasoned guess that the previous statement is true.

Providing what Keith Hill said was the truth and not an attempt to make excuses for why they had just sold their best player.

It might still be true, my comment was more about people making statements about players' wages without even knowing how much they're getting paid.