Jags to leave Everton

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Let's be fair he's still premiership quality let alone Championship.
He will be 63 before he drops down to the level of Hammond.
 
Oreyt said:
Always a career in volleyball for him.
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As good as he was, I'm sorry but I struggle when I think of Jags and that hand ball, totally unnecessary and I'm convinced we'd have not gone down if that pen hadn't happened. Then he leaves us in the summer for a minimum fee of £4m which he'd had in his clause inserted. Decent fee maybe but still less than he was worth in my view.

We all had a big go at O'Connell and McCevely last season but they're hand balls were no where near as big a deal as that one and yet most think he's a United legend. I like him as a bloke but he owes his big style for that kind of error, in my view. That might sound harsh but that's how I feel.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Would make sense – Moyes after all managed him for years. Did we have any sell-on clause in the sale to Everton?
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If we did I think it would only have been a percentage of any profit Everton would have made so that's long gone
 
Jags should've moved to a top club when he had the chance. Didn't achieve what he might have done and now he's past it and can't go back.

Not bothered about him ever coming back.

We'll have no sell on clause because Everton activated a release clause.
 
Ricky said:
We'll have no sell on clause because Everton activated a release clause.
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The release clause is presumably whatever we agreed with Jagielka when he signed his contract. That could have simply been £4m, but presumably there is no reason why it couldn't have theoretically been £4m plus a sell-on %.
 
It would be amazing to have jagielka back at the lane. 1 of my favourite players he had the knack of scoring some cracking goals in the 90th min Leeds, Middlesbrough & seem to think there a 3rd one, also saved a few going in that save from Van Persie. Might do a fantastic job helping the youngsters like Morgan did with him. But my worries besides the
90%+ paycut. are that at 34, i dont want him to ruin his reputation be exposed, be a liability like Collins & Mceveley were at that age & get "abuse" from the crowd.
 
Ricky said:
Jags should've moved to a top club when he had the chance. Didn't achieve what he might have done and now he's past it and can't go back.

Not bothered about him ever coming back.

We'll have no sell on clause because Everton activated a release clause.
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Personally, I would say Everton was about right for Jags, given his ability. He is/was a very good player but a regular for one of the top 4 or 6? Maybe for a season or two, but not as long as he has been able to play for Everton, who are a much bigger club then many give them credit for.
 

sheff_blade90 said:
It would be amazing to have jagielka back at the lane. 1 of my favourite players he had the knack of scoring some cracking goals in the 90th min Leeds, Middlesbrough & seem to think there a 3rd one, also saved a few going in that save from Van Persie. Might do a fantastic job helping the youngsters like Morgan did with him. But my worries besides the
90%+ paycut. are that at 34, i dont want him to ruin his reputation be exposed, be a liability like Collins & Mceveley were at that age & get "abuse" from the crowd.
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Sorry whilst I'm at it with Jags, and I don't pretend to be a big fan I would say as regards is time with us didn't that needless hand ball to a bog standard cross that relegated us and cost us £30m plus etc. Wouldn't you say that ruined or at least tarnashed his reputation at Unbited!? It certainly left a bitter taste int he mouth for me that's for sure! If I'd done that, I would expect a right shoeing from my teammates to be honest! Missing a chance, giving a way a pen to a bad tackle... I can accept that. But that hand ball was just totally needless and if it had been done by many another player at the time, including Morgan, who used to get his fair amount of stick for moments of rashness, then I think that said player would have had much rougher treatment.

At 34 an on big wages, I'd quite frankly rather buy Aaron Pierre at 22 23, whatever he is from Wycombe and develop some potential alongside O'Connell and Wright - assuming we don't sign Ebanks Landell.
 
Booker4 said:
Personally, I would say Everton was about right for Jags, given his ability. He is/was a very good player but a regular for one of the top 4 or 6? Maybe for a season or two, but not as long as he has been able to play for Everton, who are a much bigger club then many give them credit for.
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Everton wasn't a bad fit for Jags at all but in his prime he would've easily got in a top 4 side, especially as just about all of them went through spells of defensive frailty. In fact none of them have maintained a good defence for a long time now, hence their struggles in Europe.
 
He's 34...and looked all overr t'shop last few times I've seen him...et it go...
 
He could maybe manage two years in the Championship, who knows, the lad may be looking to retire
 
I think some of you need to get over that hand ball, it was 10 years ago ffs! It's time to move on!

Anyway without him that season we would have been relegated long before that Wigan match.
 
Forget about Jags. Even if we could afford him (we probably cant) i wouldnt want the lad back at all. I think hes on borrowed time re his legs going and i just feel hes part of our history now and should remain there.

He dropped a bollock v Wigan but tbf the whole team did. They only needed a draw, they knew it, but couldnt deliver when the pressure was on. He was a fantastic player for us. I remember him coming through as a young pup and seeing him establish himself and blossom was very rewarding. Let it go and remember his early career at the Lane with some fondness.
 
Weasel said:
Forget about Jags. Even if we could afford him (we probably cant) i wouldnt want the lad back at all. I think hes on borrowed time re his legs going and i just feel hes part of our history now and should remain there.

He dropped a bollock v Wigan but tbf the whole team did. They only needed a draw, they knew it, but couldnt deliver when the pressure was on. He was a fantastic player for us. I remember him coming through as a young pup and seeing him establish himself and blossom was very rewarding. Let it go and remember his early career at the Lane with some fondness.
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The only gaff made that day was warnock playing to wigans strengths. Something I don't think he's repeated since unfortunately
 
YES Blade said:
I think some of you need to get over that hand ball, it was 10 years ago ffs! It's time to move on!

Anyway without him that season we would have been relegated long before that Wigan match.
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Its not that I'm not over it mate but I just think it was totally reckless and yes unnecessary. Making a bad tackle, missing a chance, making a bad pass, missing a tap in in injury time to keep us up. All of those things happen regularly but a hand ball like that is just totally ridiculous and what was going through is his mind I don't know. Had it not been Jags and his character as an honest and dedicated pro I think many would have questioned if a player would have done that for a significant bung. I'm not saying he did do that, but he would be the last player I would expect to hand ball in his own box like that.

Also he never apologised to the fans when he left about it. I know I would have done because I would have felt responsibility from the Wigan match.Mistakes happen but I find it hard to understand in a game of that magnitude why he would do it. If there had been a player behind him about to tap it in then of course I would get it but it was just totally innocuous.
 
The gaff made that day was Warnock changing the team having spent all week with one formation and set if players he changed three on the morning of the match.
I kid you not.
Almost as though he wanted us to get relegated
 
Booker4 said:
Its not that I'm not over it mate but I just think it was totally reckless and yes unnecessary. Making a bad tackle, missing a chance, making a bad pass, missing a tap in in injury time to keep us up. All of those things happen regularly but a hand ball like that is just totally ridiculous and what was going through is his mind I don't know. Had it not been Jags and his character as an honest and dedicated pro I think many would have questioned if a player would have done that for a significant bung. I'm not saying he did do that, but he would be the last player I would expect to hand ball in his own box like that.

Also he never apologised to the fans when he left about it. I know I would have done because I would have felt responsibility from the Wigan match.Mistakes happen but I find it hard to understand in a game of that magnitude why he would do it. If there had been a player behind him about to tap it in then of course I would get it but it was just totally innocuous.
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Yeah, sounds like you're over it! :rolleyes:
 
YES Blade said:
Yeah, sounds like you're over it! :rolleyes:
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You can be over something but not think it was right can't you!? I can anyway. You obviously think I'm bitter about it. I'm not, I just will never get why he did it and as I said before he didn't apologise either at the time or when he left - for his minimum fee clause he'd had inserted into the contract. The last bit isn't related to the hand ball obviously and I know its commonplace to have minimum fee clauses, I just don't agree with them.
 
Could be backup for Simon Moore. Bet George Long will love being 4th choice goalie behind Moore, Jags then Ramsdale.
 

JordoBlade said:
Could be backup for Simon Moore. Bet George Long will love being 4th choice goalie behind Moore, Jags then Ramsdale.
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Now now, lets not be harsh.

It would be Moore, Ramsdale, Jags and then Long in order of preference.
 
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