Lesson for Kevin Mccabe

[Sean Thornton]

No it isn't.

Chansiri didn't dismantle the defence or sell its best player after losing the playoff final as we did in 2009 and 2003 respectively.

No. He's thrown millions at it like McCabe did after relegation from the PL. Let's see how he goes on before you claim an internet "win".

 

[Revolution]

No. He's thrown millions at it like McCabe did after relegation from the PL. Let's see how he goes on before you claim an internet "win".

I'm not claiming a win. I'm pointing out that he's actually resisting selling his best players for more than a season, which we have not managed to do under McCabe.

So far his strategy has seen Wednesday improve their position every year, sadly. How did dismantling the side work out for McCabe?

 

[Sean Thornton]

We were in a better position than Wednesday are now when Brown and Beattie were sold in 2004 and 2009 respectively.

Brown was out of contract at the end of the season . Warnock openly said he would sell him to the highest bidder.

Facts eh.

 

[Revolution]

Brown was out of contract at the end of the season . Warnock openly said he would sell him to the highest bidder.

Facts eh.

Yep. He sold him for a six figure sum on 1 January, replaced him with Monty, and we fell from 2nd in January to 8th at the end of the season

Facts eh.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm not claiming a win. I'm pointing out that he's actually resisting selling his best players for more than a season, which we have not managed to do under McCabe.

So far his strategy has seen Wednesday improve their position every year, sadly. How did dismantling the side work out for McCabe?

By spending millions, like McCabe did. What makes you do sure they will succeed ? McCabes failures?

You keep saying dismantling, Jags insisted on a fee clause to re- sign
. I've commented on Warnock being happy to sell Brown and there's an understory there, but not McCabes call. Naughton was a good deal. Walker was an incredible fuck up on McCabes part. The worst sale in living memory, including Jones and Currie money wise.
I'm struggling to remember which other footballing Gods we let go. Shelton, Fathi, the other one, Horsfield, Akinbadbuy? Maybe Carlos hasnt bought such shite ? Maybe he thinks more about his employers than Colin did.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yep. He sold him for a six figure sum on 1 January, replaced him with Monty, and we fell from 2nd in January to 8th at the end of the season

Facts eh.

Warnock was more than willing to sell him. Are you disputing that?

 

[I should coco]

Lot of wishful thinking on here with people making out that the pigs are badly run and headed for disaster.

Agreed that it is wishful thinking but no-one actually knows how deep Chansiri's pockets are or how patient he is.

The father seems to be worth about $700M but I can't find anything about his knobhead son. Much of this may be tied up in assets (shares, property etc) rather than ready cash and there has to be a limit on what anyone would spunk at the S6 shithole.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/kraisorn-chansiri/?list=thailand-billionaires

If they go up, then it doesn't matter as they'd get £100m p.a from Sky, but if they don't go up this year (remember he said up by 2017) then he will have to bang a shed load more money in.

Reportedly he paid £37m to Mandric and now with Fletcher, Hooper and the diving twat earning £30-40k per week each, that is around £6-7m just for those 3.

We can only hope that the words; pigeons roost come and home, can soon be used in uncontrolled mirth.

 

[blade too long]

the day we can learn a lesson from wednesday is the day we pack it in

There is absolutely nothing going on at hillsborough that we can learn from
yes they are in the championship
but so are barnsley and rotherham

and lets face it theyve had 17 years to get out of the championship and only managed one attempt at a play off

so the fact that someones posted this we can learn from them is a massive massive insult

lets not forget they got away with robbing the tax man for 3 to 5 years
and Strafford nearly sold them out to some yank speculators for 5 m quid
We dont ever want to do that

Whatever lessons mccabe needs . its not from the pigs

kindly never make such comparisons in your lifetime ever again

its like telling a wine maker how using anti freeze to make more can make more money

 

[Sean Thornton]

the day we can learn a lesson from wednesday is the day we pack it in

There is absolutely nothing going on at hillsborough that we can learn from
yes they are in the championship
but so are barnsley and rotherham

and lets face it theyve had 17 years to get out of the championship and only managed one attempt at a play off

so the fact that someones posted this we can learn from them is a massive massive insult

lets not forget they got away with robbing the tax man for 3 to 5 years
and Strafford nearly sold them out to some yank speculators for 5 m quid
We dont ever want to do that

Whatever lessons mccabe needs . its not from the pigs

kindly never make such comparisons in your lifetime ever again

The "Yank speculators" didn't have a fiver let alone £5m. Always be question marks over that "deal".

 

[Revolution]

By spending millions, like McCabe did. What makes you do sure they will succeed ? McCabes failures?

You keep saying dismantling, Jags insisted on a fee clause to re- sign
. I've commented on Warnock being happy to sell Brown and there's an understory there, but not McCabes call. Naughton was a good deal. Walker was an incredible fuck up on McCabes part. The worst sale in living memory, including Jones and Currie money wise.
I'm struggling to remember which other footballing Gods we let go. Shelton, Fathi, the other one, Horsfield, Akinbadbuy? Maybe Carlos hasnt bought such shite ? Maybe he thinks more about his employers than Colin did.

I am not certain he will succeed. I fervently hope he fails.

My point is that so far in his reign they aren't selling their best players, and they are improving. This is the opposite of what we have been doing since 2007.

 

[blade too long]

The "Yank speculators" didn't have a fiver let alone £5m. Always be question marks over that "deal".

probably a fivers pushing it

but I find it insulting to say we can learn from a team that in 17 years of trying has only twice finished in the championships top ten

they are the last team we can learn from, they are clueless
weve had mediocre managers thats got us close to returning , but come up short
the one thing mccabes needed is a better selection policy

 

[blade too long]

Yep. He sold him for a six figure sum on 1 January, replaced him with Monty, and we fell from 2nd in January to 8th at the end of the season

Facts eh.

to be fair Brown never reached the heights of 2003 again , or anywhere close goal scoring wise

great goal v pigs but not as prolific anywhere else after us
In that one year he scored 16 for us
then hes scored 14 since in a decade

 

[Revolution]

to be fair Brown never reached the heights of 2003 again , or anywhere close goal scoring wise

great goal v pigs but not as prolific anywhere else after us
In that one year he scored 16 for us
then hes scored 14 since in a decade

That's true. Spurs used him differently. He also had a career year in 2002-3, and indeed was not up to that standard the year after when we sold him.

But, even with that said, if you think selling him and replacing him with Monty was a good plan, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.

 

[blade too long]

well Tonge was magnificent in 2003 , how many great years has he had since

a lot of players have a peak , perhaps Warnock realised Brown had had his

 

[Revolution]

Warnock was more than willing to sell him. Are you disputing that?

Warnock was quoted as saying the club wanted to keep Brown until the summer.

Sadly, 500 grand became more important than promotion.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Warnock was quoted as saying the club wanted to keep Brown until the summer.

Sadly, 500 grand became more important than promotion.

No. Warnock said he would sell him to the highest bidder.

 

[Revolution]

No. Warnock said he would sell him to the highest bidder.

You need to read the BBC report rather than the Wikipedia article that quotes it.

 

[The Crab]

Utterly despise the cunt. Makes any dislike I have for McCuntly a minor gripe by comparison.

He'll get full-studded dose of Karma very soon for what he's done, and it'll warm my heart I can tell you.

 

[Grappler]

Agreed that it is wishful thinking but no-one actually knows how deep Chansiri's pockets are or how patient he is.

The father seems to be worth about $700M but I can't find anything about his knobhead son. Much of this may be tied up in assets (shares, property etc) rather than ready cash and there has to be a limit on what anyone would spunk at the S6 shithole.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/kraisorn-chansiri/?list=thailand-billionaires

If they go up, then it doesn't matter as they'd get £100m p.a from Sky, but if they don't go up this year (remember he said up by 2017) then he will have to bang a shed load more money in.

Reportedly he paid £37m to Mandric and now with Fletcher, Hooper and the diving twat earning £30-40k per week each, that is around £6-7m just for those 3.

We can only hope that the words; pigeons roost come and home, can soon be used in uncontrolled mirth.

I seem to remember reading a report saying the father was worth around $500M at the time of purchase, and the sons (three, I think?) all basically worked for the family business. There was some speculation that the son was worth $170M, or some figure like that, but it all seemed to be tied up in the Tuna canning business.

Working from memory here, so could all be wrong.

Fuck Wednesday!

 

[Sean Thornton]

You need to read the BBC report rather than the Wikipedia article that quotes it.

I've not read Wikipedia smart arse. It clearly states on a BBC report "sell to the highest bidder".

You should have read the Sky one where Warnock says they'd like to keep him until the summer and then suggests it's up to him.

That article starts with "Brown refuses to sign contract extension". And NW says we can't stop him going.

That McCabe eh?

 

[blade too long]

I'm not claiming a win. I'm pointing out that he's actually resisting selling his best players for more than a season, which we have not managed to do under McCabe.

So far his strategy has seen Wednesday improve their position every year, sadly. How did dismantling the side work out for McCabe?

thing is only Foresteiri has attracted any interest one player
which is basically what weve sold most seasons, and the JTW hasnt closed yet , so its not a proven theory
weve been told we arent selling players

wednesday reguarly sold players , more than us most seasons

 

[Revolution]

I've not read Wikipedia smart arse. It clearly states on a BBC report "sell to the highest bidder".

You should have read the Sky one where Warnock says they'd like to keep him until the summer and then suggests it's up to him.

That article starts with "Brown refuses to sign contract extension". And NW says we can't stop him going.

That McCabe eh?

We couldn't stop him going in June 2004. Could have in January 2004, but didn't bother.

I know these ideas of holding players to contracts are alien to you, as is the idea of players not being for sale - the point of this thread - so let's leave it there and not flog the dead horse any more.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We couldn't stop him going in June 2004. Could have in January 2004, but didn't bother.

I know these ideas of holding players to contracts are alien to you, as is the idea of players not being for sale - the point of this thread - so let's leave it there and not flog the dead horse any more.

Thanks for telling me what you think I believe.

How much would we have got in the summer for him?

Here's another one of those facts you don't like. You keep banging on about replacing him with Monty. Is that the same Monty who made 32 first team appearances in 2002/2003 and had made 22 the following year up to the date Briwn left?

 

[Revolution]

Thanks for telling me what you think I believe.

How much would we have got in the summer for him?

Here's another one of those facts you don't like. You keep banging on about replacing him with Monty. Is that the same Monty who made 32 first team appearances in 2002/2003 and had made 22 the following year up to the date Briwn left?

Yep. That's him. The one who often came on as a sub, or filled in for injuries, and who wasn't as good as Brown. And nor was anyone else on the books.

We'd have got nothing in the summer. But we'd have had a better chance of going up by keeping our better players. That's worth more than 500 grand.

Anyway, I really have had enough of your McCabe Wu Mao act for one day.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yep. That's him. The one who often came on as a sub, or filled in for injuries, and who wasn't as good as Brown. And nor was anyone else on the books.

We'd have got nothing in the summer. But we'd have had a better chance of going up by keeping our better players. That's worth more than 500 grand.

Anyway, I really have had enough of your McCabe Wu Mao act for one day.

22 apps until 28/12 ? We must have had some injuries that season. You said "replaced" Shall I look on wiki for details of Montys attacking midfield role from 1st January 2004?

I suspect Youve had enough of looking daft for one day, two actually, rather than anything else.

 

[Sean Thornton]

 

[Revolution]

22 apps until 28/12 ? We must have had some injuries that season. You said "replaced" Shall I look on wiki for details of Montys attacking midfield role from 1st January 2004?

I suspect Youve had enough of looking daft for one day, two actually, rather than anything else.

Sorry Sean, I don't get paid to defend McCabe on here. I have other things to do.

Anyway, Monty in 2003 and 2004. I was speaking from what I remember from the time, and my opinion isn't changed by double checking.

2002-3: 15 starts, 8 sub appearances. Played generally when other midfielders were absent for one reason or another, or when Warnock went with 5 occasionally (rare that year). A squad player. Brown played 40 times, missing games due to suspension mainly.

2003-4: Monty played a fair amount before the Burnley game when Brown got sent off, but look where he played - again, all over the midfield, covering for one player or another (including Brown, who had niggling injuries). He missed games too, and came on as sub as few times. He was a regular at several positions. Look what happens when Brown is suspended, and then leaves - Monty takes his slot permanently. And after a good start, results wise, we slide down the table with the 4 match losing run that was a feature of Warnock seasons in January/February, and never quite got it back. This was my recollection of what happened at the time and is all discernible from Soccerbase and the Complete Record. I stand by what I said. And I know he wasn't an attacking midfielder - that shows the idiocy of the Brown move.

and the broad point still remains - our best players were sold, we slide down the table. The Pigs have resisted so far, and they move up the table. Here's hoping they stop resisting.

 

[Bartyblade]

But what exactly have the Pigs resisted?
As far as I can make out, no-one is ever interested in their players.
The only one I can remember is Antonio who they resisted selling until the princely sum of £1.5M was offered

 

[I should coco]

But what exactly have the Pigs resisted?
As far as I can make out, no-one is ever interested in their players.
The only one I can remember is Antonio who they resisted selling until the princely sum of £1.5M was offered

Going back a little bit further, Brunt and Whelan were offloaded quickly enough too.

Forrestieri is a decent player but let down by a crap attitude so I don't think they have actually had any serious bids. His 'personality' may mean that the bigger EPL clubs aren't interested, but I guess there is always a struggler prepared to take a gamble to stay up. Surely Karma won't let him be sold to the CheatinAmmers and then go down with them?

 

[The Crab]

Going back a little bit further, Brunt and Whelan were offloaded quickly enough too.

Forrestieri is a decent player but let down by a crap attitude so I don't think they have actually had any serious bids. His 'personality' may mean that the bigger EPL clubs aren't interested, but I guess there is always a struggler prepared to take a gamble to stay up. Surely Karma won't let him be sold to the CheatinAmmers and then go down with them?

I can only speak from what I saw in the Benfica friendly, Forrestieri looked pretty good that day and rinsed Luisao (a very good defender) for his goal. I thought Lucas Joao looked good too but I'm told he isn't even getting regular games.