Coutts

[Minty]

Kinell.
If it isn't Done it's Bash.
If it isn't Bash it's Clarke.
If it isn't Clarke it's Coutts.

How the fuck are we occupying one of the auto places? Be fucked if I know.

Don't forget Scougall, Lafferty and Hussey

 

[blade67]

God you're tiresome.

And miles off accurate. Whatever happened with Coutts pre -Wilder, he's been a key part of the way we play these days. Anyone who can't see that...well they have an agenda.

 

[Trafford]

It was the fact that his performance was below par that prompted me to ask the question, I'm reassured to hear that he may have been suffering the after effects of a knock at Coventry and hope that he is back to full fitness for the weekend.

 

[JordoBlade]

I wish more players would have a shot from far out more often. This season particularly we get into that area more so why not, it's what we've been crying out for for ages, rather than just passing it wide all the time and then crossing to...........the keeper or defenders' heads. Take a shot - the keeping and defending at this level isn't brilliant and it could easily be deflected in.

Or Billy could just do what he does best and pick up the scraps.

 

[Iceybabey]

I remember 2 or 3 Oldham players getting up his arse as soon as he got the ball. They did a job on him to a certain extent.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

We are talking about 3rd division footballers, they aren't going to be incredible every week and come in an out of form.

Didn't think he was too bad to be fair and some praise must go to the Oldham as they managed to keep pretty much everyone quiet in the first half at least. even without playing exceptionally he was still good on the ball.

 

[sitwell]

Yup, hasn't put a foot wrong all season despite being one of the mobs favourite targets.

Then your opinions on football are uneducated at best therefore render any more discussion with you pointless.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Then your opinions on football are uneducated at best therefore render any more discussion with you pointless.

Ah well, I'd probably give a shit if it wasn't coming from a bloke who thinks Brian Cloughs son is decent.

Anyway, sorry to lose you, thanks for playing.

 

[sitwell]

Ah the tedious toughguy approach ,not playing ,its so 2016 ,and that's not a vintage year.

 

[JohnDenver]

Yup, hasn't put a foot wrong all season despite being one of the mobs favourite targets.

It's unfortunate for Scougall that Duffy has become our key player. His performances and goals would have kept him in the first XI in most other circumstances.

That said, if you swapped him for Coutts you'd need to rejig the whole system, and that's hard to justify.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Ah the tedious toughguy approach ,not playing ,its so 2016 ,and that's not a vintage year.

Beers going down well I see....

 

[Tyler Durden]

It's unfortunate for Scougall that Duffy has become our key player. His performances and goals would have kept him in the first XI in most other circumstances.

That said, if you swapped him for Coutts you'd need to rejig the whole system, and that's hard to justify.

I agree to a point. It's difficult to find a clear opening for him at the moment, but he'll have a crucial part to play throughout the season. His ability to change the complexion of a game speaks for itself. Really happy with his progress thus far.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Coutts and Fleck were far less effective v Oldham's tactics (moreso Fleck than Coutts I thought) and he did take a whack to the head from Flynn early doors (anyone notice that Flynn looked chunkier and a lot more aggressive than when he was with us - perhaps he had a point to prove or a bit of payback on Freeman and Coutts, who knows?). I'm still of the view that Coutts owes us a lot still following seasons of mediocrity and half-hearted effort. I think Wilder will have him out on his backside if he tries to revert to his old ways. Its a team game and, on his overall improved performances this season, I would say he warrants his place provided he can maintain those performances despite his obvious limitations defensively and creatively in the final third.

Scougall for Coutts is a bit of a nonsense in my view - they aren't a swap - different kinds of players. Scougall for Done up front doesn't work for me either - neither are natural forwards, just harriers. Scougall can play the attacking MF role, just not as well as Duffy and is a useful replacement late on or if we switch to 442 to press a game. I do think we look a lot more organised at the back and play a higher line with Jake Wight in the three, but it seems Basham gets the nod for the flexibility he appears to offer (even though he must have a 50p shaped head and can't pass for toffee).

 

[cjx blade]

I remember 2 or 3 Oldham players getting up his arse as soon as he got the ball. They did a job on him to a certain extent.

Sorry, was an open net.

 

[I should coco]

His ability to change the complexion of a game speaks for itself. Really happy with his progress thus far.

Tyler.

I can't make my mind up whether you really have set your stall out against Coutts and watch for each and every error, or whether you are just being a little tinker on the wind up. You are correct that having been here nearly two years, he has only had maybe 15 good games, but you miss the crucial point that they have all come this season.

When Clough signed him it was obvious he had a great touch but patently wasn't fit after a year's lay off. Adkins didn't seem to trust him to do the midfield graft (that has left to Hammond - ho ho ho), so tended to put him on as sub. As an 'impact player' when you are behind, Coutts looked appalling. He would come on, play 25 minutes and hit just one nice pass. In a poor team, he looked poor too and lazy with it.

I completely agreed with CW transfer listing him as he looked a luxury player of the most expensive kind. Loads of credit must go to CW for playing him when had to and also to Coutts himself for not chucking his teddy out of the pram.

Compared to what we saw in the previous 18 months, Coutts has to be our most improved player. Just because you like Fleck, Scougal and Duffy doesn't mean you have to persist with the Coutts agenda.

Some of your stuff is genuinely hilarious. This anti-Coutts thing really isn't.

Just sayin'.........

 

[Tyler Durden]

Tyler.

I can't make my mind up whether you really have set your stall out against Coutts and watch for each and every error, or whether you are just being a little tinker on the wind up. You are correct that having been here nearly two years, he has only had maybe 15 good games, but you miss the crucial point that they have all come this season.

When Clough signed him it was obvious he had a great touch but patently wasn't fit after a year's lay off. Adkins didn't seem to trust him to do the midfield graft (that has left to Hammond - ho ho ho), so tended to put him on as sub. As an 'impact player' when you are behind, Coutts looked appalling. He would come on, play 25 minutes and hit just one nice pass. In a poor team, he looked poor too and lazy with it.

I completely agreed with CW transfer listing him as he looked a luxury player of the most expensive kind. Loads of credit must go to CW for playing him when had to and also to Coutts himself for not chucking his teddy out of the pram.

Compared to what we saw in the previous 18 months, Coutts has to be our most improved player. Just because you like Fleck, Scougal and Duffy doesn't mean you have to persist with the Coutts agenda.

Some of your stuff is genuinely hilarious. This anti-Coutts thing really isn't.

Just sayin'.........

The post you quoted was a positive appraisal of Scougall, not a dig at Coutts.

It's not entirely accurate to say I flat-out don't like Paul Coutts. I just think that there's a considerable inverse ratio between the adulation people have heaped on him and how good he actually is. At the same time I'm seeing other players who have contributed a great deal this season being either slagged off or damned with faint praise. Two pet hates of mine are undeserved criticism and undue praise.

Now don't get me wrong, Paul Coutts is among the most talented players in the squad, but in my view the application of that ability falls short compared to John Fleck and Mark Duffy. Incidentally, on Saturday, Fleck and Coutts were well below par, as was Duffy for the first 45 mins. Yet it's only Coutts that people are trying to find excuses for in order to explain a poor display.

Am I happy with his general upturn in form? Of course I am, but I have reservations about whether he can be relied upon when we need to slog it out, as he's slipped into anonymity on more than one occasion.

So in conclusion, no I don't hate Paul Coutts, yes he has an important role to play, but a more balanced and honest assessment from others wouldn't go amiss.

 

[boo radley]

The post you quoted was a positive appraisal of Scougall, not a dig at Coutts.

It's not entirely accurate to say I flat-out don't like Paul Coutts. I just think that there's a considerable inverse ratio between the adulation people have heaped on him and how good he actually is. At the same time I'm seeing other players who have contributed a great deal this season being either slagged off or damned with faint praise. Two pet hates of mine are undeserved criticism and undue praise.

Now don't get me wrong, Paul Coutts is among the most talented players in the squad, but in my view the application of that ability falls short compared to John Fleck and Mark Duffy. Incidentally, on Saturday, Fleck and Coutts were well below par, as was Duffy for the first 45 mins. Yet it's only Coutts that people are trying to find excuses for in order to explain a poor display.

Am I happy with his general upturn in form? Of course I am, but I have reservations about whether he can be relied upon when we need to slog it out, as he's slipped into anonymity on more than one occasion.

So in conclusion, no I don't hate Paul Coutts, yes he has an important role to play, but a more balanced and honest assessment from others wouldn't go amiss.

I'd agree with that completely. The wild claims of some that he is now the best midfielder in the division are way over the top. His position. Drop deep midfielder. An absolutely easy roll to play in this team as it would be for almost any midfielder in the division. Could Fleck play it? easily yes. Could Duffy play it? easily yes. Could Coutts play their more forward thinking rolls? From what we have seen of Coutts and his reluctance to get forward no. CW summed it up a few weeks ago when he said he was trying to get him to take greater responsibility. If he continues to progress in that way I'm sure us that see him as shirking that will stop complaining.
A few of our players are interchangeable Coutts is not. He has the protection and movement of the rest of the midfield and the back four that allows him time and space to constantly change the picture from that position. The fact that he does not chase enough or get forward enough is obviously good enough for some. Personally I like a player who will work his socks off to make good a situation he has made bad in the first place and Coutts at the moment does not do that.

 

[Darthblade]

So you would rather play scougall ?

Jesus ...... please don't even suggest that !!!!

You might give Kev the idea we can sell Coutts and we already have his replacement at the Club ...... ( deja vu with Murphy / Woolford )

UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

The post you quoted was a positive appraisal of Scougall, not a dig at Coutts.

It's not entirely accurate to say I flat-out don't like Paul Coutts. I just think that there's a considerable inverse ratio between the adulation people have heaped on him and how good he actually is. At the same time I'm seeing other players who have contributed a great deal this season being either slagged off or damned with faint praise. Two pet hates of mine are undeserved criticism and undue praise.

Now don't get me wrong, Paul Coutts is among the most talented players in the squad, but in my view the application of that ability falls short compared to John Fleck and Mark Duffy. Incidentally, on Saturday, Fleck and Coutts were well below par, as was Duffy for the first 45 mins. Yet it's only Coutts that people are trying to find excuses for in order to explain a poor display.

Am I happy with his general upturn in form? Of course I am, but I have reservations about whether he can be relied upon when we need to slog it out, as he's slipped into anonymity on more than one occasion.

So in conclusion, no I don't hate Paul Coutts, yes he has an important role to play, but a more balanced and honest assessment from others wouldn't go amiss.

If I may sum up imho ........ last season Coutts was gash and 95% of the supporters would have driven him to another Club if possible .......

This season he's one of the most influential players in the squad and most supporters would seriously consider him being offered a new contract ( subject to it being a proper one and not the bullshit contracts given to some recently eg Hammond )

UTB & FTP

 

[alcoblade]

The post you quoted was a positive appraisal of Scougall, not a dig at Coutts.

It's not entirely accurate to say I flat-out don't like Paul Coutts. I just think that there's a considerable inverse ratio between the adulation people have heaped on him and how good he actually is. At the same time I'm seeing other players who have contributed a great deal this season being either slagged off or damned with faint praise. Two pet hates of mine are undeserved criticism and undue praise.

Now don't get me wrong, Paul Coutts is among the most talented players in the squad, but in my view the application of that ability falls short compared to John Fleck and Mark Duffy. Incidentally, on Saturday, Fleck and Coutts were well below par, as was Duffy for the first 45 mins. Yet it's only Coutts that people are trying to find excuses for in order to explain a poor display.

Am I happy with his general upturn in form? Of course I am, but I have reservations about whether he can be relied upon when we need to slog it out, as he's slipped into anonymity on more than one occasion.

So in conclusion, no I don't hate Paul Coutts, yes he has an important role to play, but a more balanced and honest assessment from others wouldn't go amiss.

If you hate unfair criticism, remember you were the only poster, or person I know, who didn't think Clarke changed the game on Boxing Day. Further, you bizarrely singled out his performance as shite.

We all have players we like and dislike, but I'd say you're at the extreme of this. That sort of goes against your dislike for others singling players out, doesn't it?


UTB

 

[wizadry]

Coutts was poor on Monday, Fleck was poorer and he's my favourite player. If it continues then it probably needs to be addressed but we still won the game 2-0, if they play as poor as that though and we continue to win I can't see what the problem is, they will still have some sort of influence even when playing poorly. Done has apparently also being shit, along with one or two other candidates from what i've seen on here, we must have some brilliant international players somewhere else on the pitch then to keep getting all these wins.

 

[Tyler Durden]

If you hate unfair criticism, remember you were the only poster, or person I know, who didn't think Clarke changed the game on Boxing Day. Further, you bizarrely singled out his performance as shite.

We all have players we like and dislike, but I'd say you're at the extreme of this. That sort of goes against your dislike for others singling players out, doesn't it?


UTB

Clarke has, in my view, played better in the past than on Monday and I've acknowledged it. In assessing a players worth I look at what they've done over a period of time and what they're likely to offer over the course of the season.

I don't stay entrenched in my opinion of a player regardless. If I don't like someone, I can still be convinced otherwise, Keiron Freeman is an example of that. I thought he was weak as piss last season and a prime candidate for the chop. He's improved immensely since then.

That's a very different approach to what many have with regard to Sharp, Done and Scougall, who will never be able to do right in some peoples eyes because they've decided not to like them and that's that. That's an attitude which gets my back up.