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Not sure why everyone is getting so upset. Come Jan 1st CE can go out and sign a striker and I'm sure if he signs one better than Done,then every single person for or against him will be happy.

As of now in this very moment we are a point off top, with top place playing 3rd next.we have a great goals for record and despite popular opinion Done has played a part in that in his own way somehow.

So why not just enjoy it. Leave the thinking up to those who can make a difference and see what jan brings. It's not in football league rules that fans should have to pick out one single player for flack.
 



Cerberus Blade said:
Done played in every one of the first win-less 5 games. If you're going to look into the stats make sure you include that one. The most important stat though is the fact he's been played as a striker in every game and only scored twice and we're half way through the season. That should tell everyone all they need to know. We can't rely on him as a striker, simple as. If you want to play him for all the other things he brings to the team, fine, then play him, but not as a striker. You need 2 players up top who can put the ball in the net. We've got one so far. We need to give both Lavery and Clarke a chance to show what they can do with an extended run in the team. I thought Lavery was unfortunate not to get the nod yesterday considering his excellent performance when coming on v Coventry. I think it was the right tactical move to bring Clarke on yesterday though as we needed a more physical presence up front.
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As Barney says, it reflects our expectation levels.

Personally, I expect a few more goals from a starting strike than what Done has delivered.

And thankfully, I don't have to populate the team sheet on Saturdays.
 
Houso said:
Chezzie supporters have said that he's lost a yard of pace, his fitness is sub-par and he's prone to injury.

He's been outscored by another player in this bad-side.

And Wilson has said he's the best striker in the league? So he's better than Billy? Give me fucking strength. His manager will of course praise him.

I'm not saying Done is a better option; I'm saying that we have two other strikers who are much more worthy of a chance before we bring another striker in. Particularly one who has shitloads to prove..

Fuck Ched.
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You start out making some very reasonable points and then you finish it with abuse. Why?

I agree that we need to see what Lavery and Clarke can do, but that, to me, isn't a reason for not signing a player, who quite honestly, is probably the best number 9 I've ever seen in a United shirt, based on the form he showed in that last season he played for us.

Whether he can get fully fit and reproduce anywhere near that form is a risk that we would be taking. But how much of a risk is it? He's on £2k a week at Chesterfield. So his wages are peanuts. His contract is only until the end of the season there, so he could move for nothing in the summer. Chesterfield are cash-strapped and in real danger of going out of business. So they are going to be very interested to listen to offers for players who may walk away for free in 6 months time. In other words, he wouldn't cost much in terms of wages or a transfer fee. When fit, he's at the very least, a Championship level player, if not higher than that. And he is capable of being a prolific goalscorer.

So, you don't think it's worth taking a punt on him then? Even though we could get him for next to nothing and have the possibility of him returning to the kind of fitness and form he had when he was last here? You don't want to do that eh? You'd rather pin our hopes on Billy staying fit, Clarke staying fit and fitting in, and Lavery coming good?

Fair enough mate. You're entitled to your view. Personally I think you're insane for thinking that way, but it's all about opinions. Hope the Tourettes sorts itself out too.
 
Not sure how u can so confidently say Ched Evans is atleast a Championship standard player..

Last time he played in that division he was cack. Many players have scored for fun in league 1 and not stepped up - Paddy Madden being a prime example.

Billy will fire us to promotion and the other 3 strikers we have will contribute in their own ways. I don't see us signing a striker in Jan so if/when Ched signs for another club let's not piss and moan at the club
 
I'd suggest that we simply have to moan, and have to have a scapegoat, no matter how well/awful we're doing.

We've been in this shite league for far too long and even when we look like having a half decent squad and a bit of good form, some still feel the need to moan about at least one player.
 
CaptainHotdog said:
Not sure how u can so confidently say Ched Evans is atleast a Championship standard player..

Last time he played in that division he was cack. Many players have scored for fun in league 1 and not stepped up - Paddy Madden being a prime example.

Billy will fire us to promotion and the other 3 strikers we have will contribute in their own ways. I don't see us signing a striker in Jan so if/when Ched signs for another club let's not piss and moan at the club
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This.

I usually don't like to get drawn into Ched debates, not for a long time anyway.

But people seem to get all dewy eyed when it comes to this chap. He's not even a proven championship player, so there's certainly no evidence or suggestion he could play higher than that.

I've said before that if Wilder wants him then that's more than enough for me but there's an almost borderline obsession with the guy based on one (albeit exceptional) season several years ago.

I trust Wilder if he thinks he can make an impact for us, not because of the Ched myth or because his current managers says he's the best in the league.
 
ForgeBlade said:
Agree 100% with this post. Done's work rate cannot be faulted, he runs himself ragged every game, but if he is starting up front he needs to be scoring more goals in my opinion.

I think we need another striker, but only if we can find one that would do what he does (run into spaces, and create space by drawing defenders out of position) AND score goals as well. Personally I don't think we need Ched (we have a striker who has hit 16 in 23, and is on target for 30+) and I'm not sure he will do what Done does these days (though he would probably score more).

If I was CW, I'd have a list of potential targets, and I'd be sitting down with Billy and asking him, as captain, main striker and leading scorer (in the division, not just for us) which of these players he (Sharp) thinks he would gel with, and play the best alongside. If that is Ched, then go get him. If it is someone else, then forget Ched and get in whoever Billy thinks will allow him to continue scoring, as well as chipping in with (ideally) 10-15 of their own in the second half of the season.

Just my 2p-worth mind, but I think Billy's input on this would be valuable.
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Just a thought. Maybe that conversation has already taken place and is one of the reasons Done is starting up-front with Billy.
 
His off the ball work gives Duffy, and the wing backs space to play. I think he is a good squad player who definitely adds something.

In some respects it shows how good we have it at the moment that the debate is about a player who is still contributing and putting effort in, as apposed to Sammon, Baxter, Woolfords etc.

However one thing I do not get is the amount of times he is offside. Watch back some of the highlights such as the Swindon 4-0 game and the number of times he is stood a good yard offside. He's had 3 offside goals this year from memory also.
 
Tyler Durden said:
The only agendas I have are positive ones. There just happens to be a small number of players who currently bring nothing to the team and Clarke is just one of them.
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Dont think any bring nothing
Its a team game , the sum of all parts , no one is carrying the others on the park
thats the Wilder way
you only play if you offer something
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Done played in every one of the first win-less 5 games. If you're going to look into the stats make sure you include that one. The most important stat though is the fact he's been played as a striker in every game and only scored twice and we're half way through the season. That should tell everyone all they need to know. We can't rely on him as a striker, simple as. If you want to play him for all the other things he brings to the team, fine, then play him, but not as a striker. You need 2 players up top who can put the ball in the net. We've got one so far. We need to give both Lavery and Clarke a chance to show what they can do with an extended run in the team. I thought Lavery was unfortunate not to get the nod yesterday considering his excellent performance when coming on v Coventry. I think it was the right tactical move to bring Clarke on yesterday though as we needed a more physical presence up front.
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Surely the most important stat is that we win? Done scoring 12 goals and us midtable would be better? Coutts and Fleck haven't scored enough goals from midfield but would you consider dropping them? Agree that a strikers main job is to put the ball in the net but it's not the ONLY job. The last time we won promotion we didn't have a single striker who even got close to 20 a season. It was all about the team. I'm not saying we can't get better in January but judging by Wilders comments it not a priority
 
Cerberus Blade said:
You start out making some very reasonable points and then you finish it with abuse. Why?
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Because last time through being an unprofessional scumbag, he cost us promotion and a £3million transfer fee.

Has he actually ever apologised to us for this?

I repeat (and this is my last word for fear of making this a ChedThread); Fuck Ched.
 



Cerberus Blade said:
Done played in every one of the first win-less 5 games. If you're going to look into the stats make sure you include that one. The most important stat though is the fact he's been played as a striker in every game and only scored twice and we're half way through the season. That should tell everyone all they need to know. We can't rely on him as a striker, simple as. If you want to play him for all the other things he brings to the team, fine, then play him, but not as a striker. You need 2 players up top who can put the ball in the net. We've got one so far. We need to give both Lavery and Clarke a chance to show what they can do with an extended run in the team. I thought Lavery was unfortunate not to get the nod yesterday considering his excellent performance when coming on v Coventry. I think it was the right tactical move to bring Clarke on yesterday though as we needed a more physical presence up front.
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I think the problem is that Sharp and Clarke just do not seem to be able to play together for whatever reason. They don't make an effective pairing, although ( to be fair ) they played the best together on Monday that I have seen so far.

Sharp is by far our top scorer at the moment so has to start ( although I still worry about the number of chances he misses for an experienced striker ) and therefore I think Clarke will have to settle for a place on the bench.

Done may have a great work-rate but 2 goals from a striker is not acceptable and is one of the reasons why I think Tufty should be looking for a striker as well as his stated shopping list .

UTB & FTP
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
I'd suggest that we simply have to moan, and have to have a scapegoat, no matter how well/awful we're doing.

We've been in this shite league for far too long and even when we look like having a half decent squad and a bit of good form, some still feel the need to moan about at least one player.
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I don't think that most people are "moaning" about certain players, or "scapegoating" either ...... simply highlighting deficiencies in the first team / squad and areas which should be addressed if we are to have a realistic chance of automatic promotion this season. ( Like most people I wouldn't like to think about the prospects of play-off roulette !! )

Its logical to strengthen the team in order to improve our chances of promotion, whilst being mindful of the need to bring in players who fit in and are here to play for the Club & the fans ...... not just for the ££££ like Hammond etc.

UTB & FTP
 
Hovers and buzzes about a lot. Active for long periods.

Sadly though, the "precision strike" function is faulty.

Matty Drone

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Well done, Done.

Struggling to score all game (As Sharp and Clarke don't score when they start together) the on pops Done and we score.

No coincidence.
 
I'd say Lavery had just a little bit more to do with it!
 
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