A progress report on The Chedler...

[Pierre's PC]

Jeeeeeezzzuuusssss!!!!!! Another Ched thread and everyone is at each other's throat. God help us if we sign the fucker. Expect complete meltdown of team and support.

QFT

 

[andy m]

As for your point about the time Evans spent in prison, yes, it's a waste of his talent, his life, his potential, and of several other things I won't go into. Don't think I don't understand the impact this will have had on his character. How exactly he's handled this only he will know. The upside is that he had the love of another person to come out to, thus not being abandoned and isolated. I was never part of the brigade who felt he should no longer pursue a career in football, but with this came an awful lot of baggage, and so it's proved. Every so often this will crop up, either on this forum or some related piece of journalism somewhere else. I really hope he feels he's learnt from all of this, the consequences of what happened will have been his own personal nightmare.

If this is true then please refer back to your earlier post suggesting he had "weaselled" his way out of the conviction and he was morally guilty. He lost two and a half years of his life through being wrongly convicted and you still label him as a rapist or a scumbag. A little empathy for a man that made a mistake wouldn't go amiss.

 

[Revolution]

I have learned something from this thread.

Evans was actually fit enough to play 2 games in a row.

 

[bartman]

Are you special needs? .

Usually enjoy your posts even thou I sometimes disagree with them but this comment is out of order .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Usually enjoy your posts even thou I sometimes disagree with them but this comment is out of order .

Really? Yet the recipient has free shots at stalking and posting utter bollox?
How's that work mate?

 

[itsinyerblood]

If this is true then please refer back to your earlier post suggesting he had "weaselled" his way out of the conviction and he was morally guilty. He lost two and a half years of his life through being wrongly convicted and you still label him as a rapist or a scumbag. A little empathy for a man that made a mistake wouldn't go amiss.

You've not read a thing I've written, have you? Please show me where I referred to Evans as a rapist or scumbag. It's exactly this type of hysteria. with it's incorrect assertions, that causes posts to go beyond reasoned discussion. Through vast amounts of money made available to Evans, and harrowing the female connected with his case, Evans and those who funded him managed to do exactly as I described. You don't like what I wrote? Fine by me, but please don't allow your blood to boil to the point where your memory begins to make accusations that are plainly wrong.

 

[andy m]

You've not read a thing I've written, have you? Please show me where I referred to Evans as a rapist or scumbag. It's exactly this type of hysteria. with it's incorrect assertions, that causes posts to go beyond reasoned discussion. Through vast amounts of money made available to Evans, and harrowing the female connected with his case, Evans and those who funded him managed to do exactly as I described. You don't like what I wrote? Fine by me, but please don't allow your blood to boil to the point where your memory begins to make accusations that are plainly wrong.

You called him morally guilty. That is a fact. He was tried for rape so if you call him morally guilty you are calling him a rapist. There is no hysteria here just pointing out statements you made in your factually incorrect and incredibly pompous post.
Reasoned discussions can only be had with people who accept that they are sometimes wrong, so that rules you out.

 

[itsinyerblood]

You called him morally guilty. That is a fact. He was tried for rape so if you call him morally guilty you are calling him a rapist. There is no hysteria here just pointing out statements you made in your factually incorrect and incredibly pompous post.
Reasoned discussions can only be had with people who accept that they are sometimes wrong, so that rules you out.

This is the second time you've chosen to put your own interpretation on my choice of words. Where did the choice of words you refer to appear in my posts?

As for being wrong, you've delivered spectacularly new levels where this is concerned. Are you that wound up that you consider it's alright to scream about someone else's wrongdoing whilst being the perpetrator of economies of the truth that you've chosen to satisfy your own deluded role as the defender of a man who chose to consider no one else through his actions?

 

[andy m]

I know it's football, and the supporters religion that shall never be questioned etc, etc, but this blind loyalty to a player who, through vast amounts of money thrown at his legal case, managed to find a way of using someone's past to undermine their worth as a human being. Evans was (may still be?) a predatory, self-serving narcissist who managed to weasel his way to the point where he could overwhelm his way to some type of legal victory. I know it goes against the grain to say as much, but the way some on here (and football supporters in general no doubt) seem to have no clue about the difference between a legal victory and a moral defeat is astounding. I guess club before commonsense is taken as read in most circumstances.

I don't care about him or the path his life takes him. If he should return to United I'll still support the Blades, after a couple of years he'll be gone and this will have been the peak of anything that could be regarded as a football career. No doubt those with massive mouths will reply in the way they no best, but if there's a lack of civility the 'ignore' button will be pushed with gleeful abandon, that's a promise UTB

I saw from a poster above the following quote - "If these players are playing well they can do what they like off the pitch" - a perfect summary of what I wrote above.

There you go line 4. See I can read. And I don't need to defend the man, he is innocent. I, like others was merely pointing out that your posts are factually incorrect, and imply that the only reason he was found not guilty is the amount of money he threw at his defence.
He was found not guilty because he didn't rape her, 3 judges and a jury have already stated this, but as I said previously, they must be wrong because you never are.

 

[Barney]

This is the second time you've chosen to put your own interpretation on my choice of words. Where did the choice of words you refer to appear in my posts?

As for being wrong, you've delivered spectacularly new levels where this is concerned. Are you that wound up that you consider it's alright to scream about someone else's wrongdoing whilst being the perpetrator of economies of the truth that you've chosen to satisfy your own deluded role as the defender of a man who chose to consider no one else through his actions?

You are saying he is morally guilty. He was found not guilty.

Therefore in the eyes of the law, it is a fact that you are wrong.

 

[itsinyerblood]

There you go line 4. See I can read. And I don't need to defend the man, he is innocent. I, like others was merely pointing out that your posts are factually incorrect, and imply that the only reason he was found not guilty is the amount of money he threw at his defence.
He was found not guilty because he didn't rape her, 3 judges and a jury have already stated this, but as I said previously, they must be wrong because you never are.

When will you accept that I disagree with the decision of the court in Evans case? It really is that simple and uncomplicated.

As for your childish assertion that I'm never wrong I guess that's based on what, reading a few posts? Your posts, the ones I've read, have all the emotional whooping and screaming I'd associate with anyone possessed of self-righteous conviction. Good for you, hope that staying the course has fuelled your belief in Evans. After all, courts are never wrong are they?

 

[Pinchy]

He would take a shot for goal and miss and hit the thing over..........

It's already been broken beyond repair by Matt Done...

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Great thread, some proper bust ups going down, I'm loving it

I'd take Ched back in a heartbeat, he can play, he'd bag a fucking hatfull for us and he'd have an attitude. Attitude, remember that? We used to be known for our 'fuck you' attitude but read this thread and you'll see those days are gone. Bladesway and Rodders, you two need to snuggle up with a nice movie because you really are a bit too twee to follow a football team. Netball ladies?

As to Ched well he won't be signing, McCabe hasn't got a fucking clue what to do so corralled his minions and asked for advice. A lone voice told him it would be bad for the club and the cowardly know nowt crumbled. Proving once again that promotion is not his number one aim. Cock.

UTBFTP

 

[andy m]

When will you accept that I disagree with the decision of the court in Evans case? It really is that simple and uncomplicated.

As for your childish assertion that I'm never wrong I guess that's based on what, reading a few posts? Your posts, the ones I've read, have all the emotional whooping and screaming I'd associate with anyone possessed of self-righteous conviction. Good for you, hope that staying the course has fuelled your belief in Evans. After all, courts are never wrong are they?[/QUOTOn appeal cases, no they are not.

 

[Pinchy]

Great thread, some proper bust ups going down, I'm loving it

I'd take Ched back in a heartbeat, he can play, he'd bag a fucking hatfull for us and he'd have an attitude. Attitude, remember that? We used to be known for our 'fuck you' attitude but read this thread and you'll see those days are gone. Bladesway and Rodders, you two need to snuggle up with a nice movie because you really are a bit too twee to follow a football team. Netball ladies?

As to Ched well he won't be signing, McCabe hasn't got a fucking clue what to do so corralled his minions and asked for advice. A lone voice told him it would be bad for the club and the cowardly know nowt crumbled. Proving once again that promotion is not his number one aim. Cock.

UTBFTP

Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of voices, Ted. That was the problem, I'm afraid.

What do you say is KM's number one aim? I happen to know that he is desperate for his club to be promoted, so the aim that overrides that must be quite something...

 

[andy m]

When will you accept that I disagree with the decision of the court in Evans case? It really is that simple and uncomplicated.

As for your childish assertion that I'm never wrong I guess that's based on what, reading a few posts? Your posts, the ones I've read, have all the emotional whooping and screaming I'd associate with anyone possessed of self-righteous conviction. Good for you, hope that staying the course has fuelled your belief in Evans. After all, courts are never wrong are they?

Don't need self righteous conviction, Ched being innocent is a fact not an opinion.

 

[bartman]

Really? Yet the recipient has free shots at stalking and posting utter bollox?
How's that work mate?

If you feel it is stalking rise above it. Don't reply and don't resort to personal insults.

 

[Rodley]

Great thread, some proper bust ups going down, I'm loving it

I'd take Ched back in a heartbeat, he can play, he'd bag a fucking hatfull for us and he'd have an attitude. Attitude, remember that? We used to be known for our 'fuck you' attitude but read this thread and you'll see those days are gone. Bladesway and Rodders, you two need to snuggle up with a nice movie because you really are a bit too twee to follow a football team. Netball ladies?

As to Ched well he won't be signing, McCabe hasn't got a fucking clue what to do so corralled his minions and asked for advice. A lone voice told him it would be bad for the club and the cowardly know nowt crumbled. Proving once again that promotion is not his number one aim. Cock.

UTBFTP

Twee?!

I think I find that more offensive than See you next Tuesday.

 

[Bladesway]

Twee?!

I think I find that more offensive than See you next Tuesday.

Can you stop going on forums and stick the new Bridgett Jones film on, I'll go and get some FIzz and chocs and we can snuggle up on the sofa with scatter cushions and a blanket.

 

[Rodley]

Can you stop going on forums and stick the new Bridgett Jones film on, I'll go and get some FIzz and chocs and we can snuggle up on the sofa with scatter cushions and a blanket.

Ok darling I'll bring along some homemade Quinoa salad and a couple of copies of Cosomopolitan.

 

[Bladesway]

Ok darling I'll bring along some homemade Quinoa salad and a couple of copies of Cosomopolitan.

Ooh Superfood salad, that will do it.

 

[Pinchy]

Don't need self righteous conviction, Ched being innocent is a fact not an opinion.

It isn't. An English jury has two verdicts available to it. Guilty or Not Guilty. In order to find a defendant Guilty, the jury must be sure of his guilt. If not sure (e.g. Probably or Likely Guilty) the verdict must be Not Guilty. At no time in any case does the jury have to be sure the defendant is Not Guilty. The question of "innocence" is no part of the process.

The opinion of a jury is binding and cannot, save in very exceptional circumstances, be appealed. So, for all practical purposes, a person acquitted by a jury is 'innocent' but no jury ever returns such a verdict or makes such a decision.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No read this thread yet and before I do, I'll start my own game of Ched bingo looking out for the following phrases

1. He cost us promotion
2. We don't need him
3. He's not good enough for us
4. He's only scored 6 goals (or less if people feel like fabricating for dramatic effect)
5. We've scored x number of goals.
6. He would upset the dressing room
7. We don't need the bad press.

 

[Revolution]

4. He's only scored 6 goals (or less if people feel like fabricating for dramatic effect)

Or 5 goals, if you feel like giving the actual number.

You forgot my own concern: he's been injured a third of the time.

 

[Rodley]

Joking aside I'd look to bring in a pacey winger to replace Chapman and a centre half to replace EEL. That for me is the priority. I think Lavery looks good enough to challenge / stand in for Sharp and Coutts. Looking at the goals scored column, I'm not worrying about lack of goals.

 

[Bartyblade]

Can you stop going on forums and stick the new Bridgett Jones film on, I'll go and get some FIzz and chocs and we can snuggle up on the sofa with scatter cushions and a blanket.

Can I join in???????

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Or 5 goals, if you feel like giving the actual number.

You forgot my own concern: he's been injured a third of the time.

I did give the actual number. I take your point regarding the fitness issue. Time will tell but I suspect the more he plays and trains, the more he will iron out these issues. It's not like he's had a serious injury like ACL etc.


Player FA LG LC Total
1 Jay O'Shea 1 6 0 7
2 Ched Evans 1 5 0 6
3 Kristian Dennis 0 4 0 4
3 Conor Wilkinson 0 4 0 4
4 Liam O'Neil 0 2 0 2
5 Ian Evatt 0 1 0 1
5 Dan Gardner 0 1 0 1
5 Adrian Samuel Hird 0 1 0 1
5 Gary Liddle 0 1 0 1
5 Paul McGinn 0 0 1 1
5 Jon Nolan 0 1 0 1

 

[1danewhitehouse]

From my point of view, I can't say I do or don't want him because I haven't seen him play recently. My reservations don't stem from any loony bum holes, but from looking at his present goal return compared to others in the division and the capacity to unsettle a tight knit and focussed group. I do not mean that as being because of who he is and what happened but purely because this is another striker coming into a club where there are a settled four consisting of one "king" and three "princes" and the king makes it plain who his favoured prince is. I am now starting to be impressed with Lavery and I wouldn't want to see him taking a backward step. I think he will score the winner in the play off final.

So do you think we shouldn’t sign any strikers at all in January? I’d be worried if we didn’t. If Sharp get’s injured or has a dip in form, we’re quite limited as none of the others have done enough to suggest they can carry the responsibility IMO. I think we need one more. I’d be happy if that was Ched. But I’d also be happy with Bogle or Akinde.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Seems those who were most strident about Evans coming back while he was still classed as a rapist tend to be most strident about him coming back now.

(i.e. those who couldn't give a shit about any negative consequences back then still seem to blank out any potential negative consequences about signing him now. Such negatives don't matter to them.)

Personally, I just hope the powers that be are intent on moving on from the past & not keeping us stuck in it.

Promotion isn't in any way dependent on us signing Evans. We're more than capable of doing it without him - we're a unified club now. Wanting "stars" to "fix" things is exactly where we went wrong over recent seasons.

On the flip side, those who were most staunchly against signing him then (I don’t want a rapist at my club) still seem to feel the same way now even with his name cleared. I wouldn’t say promotion is any more or less dependant on him than any other prospective signing. Just that circumstances are likely to dictate that he is an attainable signing whereas a player of his calibre wouldn’t be but for those circumstances. I just want to see us signing good players that I think would improve our squad.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Taking out all the stuff about what he did/the baggage; we need to make football decisions.

Evans has scored a few goals this year and looked decent versus us but I think we need to be looking at other options that have the chance too improve. Not sure Evans will get any better now and I still think the break will mean he will never quite get to the standard of that 'one' season. People also tend to forget most of his career he was very average including 2 seaons at SUFC - he effectively had one good season in his career. He has had a lot of injuries this year. Maybe if we could just take over his contract to the end of the season (on the same alleged 2k wages he is currently) then maybe and see if he can give us another option but....

I peronally would try and go for the lad Taylor at Bristol Rovers or Bogle at Grimsby if we could. The latter looks a big lad with pace who would cause teams problems and is different to what we already have.

I agree with a lot of this post but think it’s a bit unfair to be too critical of Evans’ previous seasons given his age and the level he was playing at. Even then, he had a good spell at Norwich and was top scorer in our relegation season. He had one dire season which was his first with us. But a 19-20 year old with a big price tag playing in a Blackwell hoofball team, it’s kind of understandable.


I don’t think he’ll ever be as good as he was in 2011-12 but I still think he’d be our 2nd best striker if he were to sign and would make a good partner for Billy in a good footballing side. That said, I’d also be happy with your suggestions of Taylor or Bogle but think both would costs more than Evans.