A progress report on The Chedler...

[itsinyerblood]

'Blind loyalty to a player'....not sure where your coming from on that one, many on here were debating whether Ched Evans would be a good potential signing for sufc, not whether we hero worshipped the lad or not.

'managed to find a way of using someone's past to undermine their worth as a human being'... did he? I thought that all evidence deemed relevent by the court was heard in his appeal nothing more nothing less.

'Evans was (may still be?) a predatory, self-serving narcissist'....really...u know that do you? I agree he may have acted like a silly lad on the night in question but he has been found not guilty. You seem to have a very personal view of him with those words.

'No doubt those with massive mouths will reply in the way they no best, but if there's a lack of civility the 'ignore' button will be pushed with gleeful abandon, that's a promise'... oh no...what will we do if the great IIYB decides to put another poster on ignore...i dont know about other posters but im shitting it at the sheer thought of it. How would i go on with life....dear me.

Actually do me a favour and press the button. Your far too egotistical for me and to be quite frank with you your posts usually send me to sleep. I have to set the alarm clock before i start reading most of your posts as there's the chance i might drop off half way through.

The thread was supposed to be about football and whether a certain footballer would improve us. Invarioubly some posters just cant seem to get their head around talking about Ched Evans the footballer without bringing out all the ghosts of yesterday.

Re. The alarm clock comment suggests that a career in comedy may need to be put on hold. By all means fall asleep, sounds like you may need far more than you're accustomed to. As for what you suggested this thread is about, surely posters can comment if they feel it's relevant? The fact that a poster doesn't religiously stick to your perceptions sounds a tad archaic, but your choice.....you clearly don't recognise narcissism in the behaviour Evans displayed, assuming you understand the context in which this word is used?

Your comment about Evans being nothing more than "a silly lad" is at best disingenuous, and suggests you feel this can be listed under the title 'antics'. Given which I won't bother to reply, it would be a waste of time to describe just how arrogant, selfish, and dangerous Evans' behaviour was.

My view is about as personal as yours is, isn't that why we post on here, to give our personal views?

 

[JJBlade]

Chessie have a year option on his contract. If Ched does well he will still have a job.

How do you know he'd wants to join us especially if he feels let down by McCabe ?Also if he is playing well.and scoring teams in the league above will want him.

Most footballers will go to the highest bidder. Ched will be no different and will have no loyalty to us in my opinion.

Read my post instead of taking the bits out of it that you want to use.
My post said that if he is not joining a Championship club,
And if he has a chance of tripling his wages
And if he can come back to the club where he can resume what he was doing before being convicted.
I believe he would come......Yes

And I don't think he does hold any malice towards the club or the fans or McCabe.
All three have done everything they could for him in impossible circumstances

 

[Gavlar]

Still waiting to hear specifically how Ched would 'upset the apple cart'....

He would take a shot for goal and miss and hit the thing over..........

 

[tedster]

I went to burton v newcastle yesterday where brayford was really good and the talk was burton are after ched evans.How true only time will tell

 

[Rodley]

Why are we arguing about this bollocks again?

 

[Weasel]

More words of wisdom from IIYB then.

'The alarm clock comment suggests that a career in comedy may need to be put on hold. By allmeans fall asleep, sounds like you may need far more than you're accustomed to'....

blimey your a funny guy, bet you have em rolling about with laughter in your local.

'you clearly don't recognise narcissism in the behaviour Evans displayed, assuming you understand the context in which this word is used?'..

you know fuk all about me and what i do or dont understand..seemingly though you think u know more about me than i know about me. Talk about ego. Well i would say that you clearly dont recognise when you are talking out of your arse.

'Your comment about Evans being nothing more than "a silly lad" is at best disingenuous, and suggests you feel this can be listed under the title 'antics''...

does it really? No i actually thought what he did do was bang out of order and possibly illegal at the time. It turned out that it wasnt the latter. Again you dont know me from Adam so dont try and second guess what i do or do not think. Chances are you really aint smart enough to do so. Anyway, i just knew you would have to reply with a 1000 word essay. What happened ? I thought you was gunna ignore anyone who was one of the 'usual big mouths' and therefore you had the chance to do so without further comment. In reality you like to get the final little comment in like a little kid in the playground and like to preach to all and sundry.

Alternatively you could just choose to ignore me, i know i try to ignore your inane ramblings most of the time.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

So the use of that word is fine then? Just a point because I wasn't offended as such, just gobsmacked that people still put words like that out in a public forum.

But keep up the good work, you're (along with a few others) managing to drag this place to a point not unlike the forum you came from.

Tampon fell out has it angel?
You are so precious it's untrue. If I was your son I'd have nothing but utter contempt for your holier than thou attitude. You have nothing to say yet spend a lot of time saying it.
Do go away and find someone else to bother you very,very small man.

 

[PeteBlade]

Yes it was stupid and silly, I should have included "Fuck some of our own fans" as well.
Especially the ones that are so grown up that they want to take any comment made literally, however stupid and outrageous it might be, just so that they can cause arguments

You're really just backing up my original point, so thank you for that.

 

[Bladesway]

Tampon fell out has it angel?
You are so precious it's untrue. If I was your son I'd have nothing but utter contempt for your holier than thou attitude. You have nothing to say yet spend a lot of time saying it.
Do go away and find someone else to bother you very,very small man.

Oh dear.

 

[Snowman]

Jeeeeeezzzuuusssss!!!!!! Another Ched thread and everyone is at each other's throat. God help us if we sign the fucker. Expect complete meltdown of team and support.

 

[Snowman]

Tampon fell out has it angel?
You are so precious it's untrue. If I was your son I'd have nothing but utter contempt for your holier than thou attitude. You have nothing to say yet spend a lot of time saying it.
Do go away and find someone else to bother you very,very small man.

And as for you. Can you just regain a bit of class which you seem to have decided to misplace in the last week or so. Thank you. xxx

 

[Jehovah]

It's nearly Christmas lads. Calm down and eat a few mince pies.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Oh dear.

This is a football forum. It is there for people to post opinions,argue,discuss,take the piss,laugh and joke,just like the real world but via the internet.
If I was to encounter you in real life I would get away from you as fast as possible. I would happily tell you to your face what I think of you,but you arem't worth an infraction doing it on here. The number of posts on this thread should tell you and IIYB that you are way off beam re Ched. You however have made it your business to stalk me and for that alone I think your a weirdo.
Now go away and find someone else to bother you irrelevant individual.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

And as for you. Can you just regain a bit of class which you seem to have decided to misplace in the last week or so. Thank you. xxx

XXX back at you.

 

[JJBlade]

You're really just backing up my original point, so thank you for that.

How boring are you, what a sad act.
Someone says something that is totally over the top for a laugh and you have to become all regulatory on it.

I for one am sick of this club getting the rough end of the stick from the media, other clubs, other fans, the FA, and just about anybody else that wants to comment.

So I say again, Fuck them, fuck them all.
And if the club does want to take a punt on Evans then we should sign him and fuck them all again.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Jeeeeeezzzuuusssss!!!!!! Another Ched thread and everyone is at each other's throat. God help us if we sign the fucker. Expect complete meltdown of team and support.

Last thing we want , Last thing Wilder wants is anything affecting moral , support ,

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Sorry, can I get this straight.

There are people who would only sign a player that's never cheated on his girlfriend?

No just a player who hadn't cost us £5million and then fucked up our season, leaving us struggling in this god forsaken league, and is hardly setting the league alight now. The fact that all that let the unclean in for promotion was just a nicely curled out turd cherry on top.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

No just a player who hadn't cost us £5million and then fucked up our season, leaving us struggling in this god forsaken league, and is hardly setting the league alight now. The fact that all that let the unclean in for promotion was just a nicely curled out turd cherry on top.

Yes but do you agree we should re-sign him?

 

[PeteBlade]

How boring are you, what a sad act.
Someone says something that is totally over the top for a laugh and you have to become all regulatory on it.

I for one am sick of this club getting the rough end of the stick from the media, other clubs, other fans, the FA, and just about anybody else that wants to comment.

So I say again, Fuck them, fuck them all.
And if the club does want to take a punt on Evans then we should sign him and fuck them all again.

You seem very angry.

 

[itsinyerblood]

So 3 judges I believe took a month studying the case before coming to the conclusion that these witnesses should for your question about what qualifications be allowed to give evidence. Are you saying that they were wrong to do so, and if so what qualifies you to make this judgement? Not being argumentative just interested in your superior legal qualifications and knowledge of the law in comparison to the judges.

Not sure what you expect me to say? I wasn't at that particular set of meetings, so no idea how or why the judges chose to reach their decision?

As for what legal qualifications I have? None, but I have had extensive experience of working with solicitors for over 30 years, as a result my understanding and awareness of the dynamics that surround and involve the law are way beyond that of what might be referred to as a layperson. So I've gained the ability to contextualise and drive through legalese in ways that have saved me both time and money.

Quite obviously, not having entered the legal profession as a way of earning a living means that a perception can exist of not being capable of questioning the capabilities of a solicitor, judge, or QC. As I discovered a long time ago, there are good, poor, and indifferent types who earn a living through law. it shouldn't follow that I'm a novice or unable to grasp certain legal niceties, I've managed to do my job with enough confidence to not simply question those who are paid legal professionals but to sometimes correct them. Hope that doesn't come across as too arrogant for your liking, or that what you refer to as my superior legal qualifications (found that quite amusing) aren't misinterpreted observations on the part of those who fail to see the absence of logic in someone doing exactly what happened when a section of Blade's fans originally came to Evans' defence?

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Not sure what you expect me to say? I wasn't at that particular set of meetings, so no idea how or why the judges chose to reach their decision?

As for what legal qualifications I have? None, but I have had extensive experience of working with solicitors for over 30 years, as a result my understanding and awareness of the dynamics that surround and involve the law are way beyond that of what might be referred to as a layperson. So I've gained the ability to contextualise and drive through legalese in ways that have saved me both time and money.

Quite obviously, not having entered the legal profession as a way of earning a living means that a perception can exist of not being capable of questioning the capabilities of a solicitor, judge, or QC. As I discovered a long time ago, there are good, poor, and indifferent types who earn a living through law. it shouldn't follow that I'm a novice or unable to grasp certain legal niceties, I've managed to do my job with enough confidence to not simply question those who are paid legal professionals but to sometimes correct them. Hope that doesn't come across as too arrogant for your liking, or that what you refer to as my superior legal qualifications (found that quite amusing) aren't misinterpreted observations on the part of those who fail to see the absence of logic in someone doing exactly what happened when a section of Blade's fans originally came to Evans' defence?

You have just wasted quite a lot of time you will never get back writing an absolute load of irrelevant rubbish. Luckily I can speed read and type so I've only lost 30 seconds of my life.

 

[andy m]

Not sure what you expect me to say? I wasn't at that particular set of meetings, so no idea how or why the judges chose to reach their decision?

As for what legal qualifications I have? None, but I have had extensive experience of working with solicitors for over 30 years, as a result my understanding and awareness of the dynamics that surround and involve the law are way beyond that of what might be referred to as a layperson. So I've gained the ability to contextualise and drive through legalese in ways that have saved me both time and money.

Quite obviously, not having entered the legal profession as a way of earning a living means that a perception can exist of not being capable of questioning the capabilities of a solicitor, judge, or QC. As I discovered a long time ago, there are good, poor, and indifferent types who earn a living through law. it shouldn't follow that I'm a novice or unable to grasp certain legal niceties, I've managed to do my job with enough confidence to not simply question those who are paid legal professionals but to sometimes correct them. Hope that doesn't come across as too arrogant for your liking, or that what you refer to as my superior legal qualifications (found that quite amusing) aren't misinterpreted observations on the part of those who fail to see the absence of logic in someone doing exactly what happened when a section of Blade's fans originally came to Evans' defence?

The point I was making is that second guessing experts in their field in the manner you did came across as arrogant (probably unintentionally)
Ched was not found guilty due to a technicality or the sullying of the woman's character but because witnesses came forward showing that her lack of memory following sex and drinking was not uncommon. The 1st conviction was quashed and the retrial found him not guilty. Why people still choose to condemn him is beyond me.
The poor bloke served two and a half years for cheating on his girlfriend. Think about that for a minute!!!

 

[itsinyerblood]

You have just wasted quite a lot of time you will never get back writing an absolute load of irrelevant rubbish. Luckily I can speed read and type so I've only lost 30 seconds of my life.

Sean, I was asked a question, the fact that my answer doesn't suit your tastes or needs, sorry, can't do anything about that. What you refer to as irrelevant is about as subjective as it comes. Truth is, whatever happens with Evans, you, I, the club, we'll all survive, we'll all continue to follow the club, and the fact that this centres around a young guy who considered his own behaviour before anything else, well I guess long after this thread is forgotten Evans will always have this as part of his life, something he'll always be associated with. There you go Sean, another few seconds that your speed reading hasn't wasted too much time absorbing.

 

[Bladesway]

You seem very angry.

He isn't alone though is he?

This is a football forum.

Correct, thus showing even a stopped clock is right once a day.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

He isn't alone though is he?


Correct, thus showing even a stopped clock is right once a day.

Are you special needs? Why would you link 2 totally unconnected posts. Pete Blades and I share most opinions,but neither of us have posted on connecting threads for some weeks. You might seek help.
And a stopped clock is right TWICE a day.
You aren't all there methinks.

 

[itsinyerblood]

The point I was making is that second guessing experts in their field in the manner you did came across as arrogant (probably unintentionally)
Ched was not found guilty due to a technicality or the sullying of the woman's character but because witnesses came forward showing that her lack of memory following sex and drinking was not uncommon. The 1st conviction was quashed and the retrial found him not guilty. Why people still choose to condemn him is beyond me.
The poor bloke served two and a half years for cheating on his girlfriend. Think about that for a minute!!!

As for your point about the time Evans spent in prison, yes, it's a waste of his talent, his life, his potential, and of several other things I won't go into. Don't think I don't understand the impact this will have had on his character. How exactly he's handled this only he will know. The upside is that he had the love of another person to come out to, thus not being abandoned and isolated. I was never part of the brigade who felt he should no longer pursue a career in football, but with this came an awful lot of baggage, and so it's proved. Every so often this will crop up, either on this forum or some related piece of journalism somewhere else. I really hope he feels he's learnt from all of this, the consequences of what happened will have been his own personal nightmare.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Yes but do you agree we should re-sign him?

If we're serious about promotion there needs to be a better option than someone struggling for fitness and form from the same division.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Any decision should be made on the football and financial merits. The legal and moral arbiters in our fanbase, the media, or the wider public shouldn't come into it.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

If we're serious about promotion there needs to be a better option than someone struggling for fitness and form from the same division.

We already did. He's called Leon Clarke.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We already did. He's called Leon Clarke.

Then it would be foolish in the extreme to make the same mistake twice and expect different results.