The Un-mention able one !

[8lade]

I could have sworn they scored today, to be honest. Perhaps it's just me.

You need to follow the whole thread not just jump in part way through the conversation, it'll help prevent getting the wrong end of the stick.
A recap:
If Evans had played as well in Chesterfield's previous 4 games (as he did today) they may have scored, as it is they have suffered 4 defeats without scoring a goal and find themselves at the foot of the table.

 

[Revolution]

He was indeed a handful and their threat all but disappeared when he (and Nolan) went off - he did get a bit of fortune with that. It seemed like him going off gave us the confidence to go for the kill.

He looked very strong, Basham couldn't get near him, and he barely gave the ball away. He was a threat around the box, set up their goal and always manages to gets shots off. He could easily have scored today.

But he didn't, missing a key chance when the scores were level.

By the way, anyone think Evans got away with a few bad challenges? He left his foot in a number of times. I've seen players booked for softer challenges.

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

You need to follow the whole thread not just jump in part way through the conversation, it'll help prevent getting the wrong end of the stick.
A recap:
If Evans had played as well in Chesterfield's previous 4 games (as he did today) they may have scored, as it is they have suffered 4 defeats without scoring a goal and find themselves at the foot of the table.

Thanks for that.

I'm a simple soul. If, several hours after a match finishes, someone posts about "the last 4 games," I tend to the view that that includes the game earlier in the day. The "previous" four games is something quite different.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Ched is currently not good enough for our team
But after a long absence you would expect him to improve month by month.

He definitely has the potential to be an asset next season at championship level BUT it would be a risk.
So in these circumstances you make an appropriate bid and offer an appropriate salary.
We are no longer desperate to sign him but if a deal is weighted in our favour then it makes sense to show interest and personally I would welcome his return.

My view is that Ched will show no loyalty to SU and will go to the highest bidder.
We're not in a position to gamble large sums of money when he could become a dud.
I expect us to show interest but I reckon he'll sign for a lower end Chamionship team offering higher wages.

I agree with this. One more striker who offers something a bit different to what we have would be welcome on the right terms so I’d suggest making a sensible offer (maybe using McNulty as a makeweight) and sensible salary. Sharp, Clarke, Evans, Done, Lavery would be an excellent striking contingent for this level and Sharp, Evans, a championship target man and a lightening quick championship striker would give us good options for the championship should we get there (not convinced Clarke, Done or Lavery would make the step up).

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Clarke is also a renowned goalscorer at this level. Evans had one great season at this level, and that is it.

People want to sign someone that had no professional training for 5 years, because he had one exceptional year. Signing him now would just be like when we signed Brayford - An emotional signing. If Wilder turns around in January and says he wants him, fair enough.. But if he doesn't want him - I don't want him anywhere near the team.

He had one exceptional season which was his only one at this level. He showed that he was far too good for this level and significantly eclipsed any season Clarke has had at this or any level. Don’t get me wrong, I think Clarke’s a useful player for this league but if Evans gets anywhere close to that level, he is significantly better. He’s also a different type of player and would give us a different option to mix things up. He’s got 5 goals in the first less than half of the season playing in an awful team and having missed about 5 games or so through injury. If he’s fit for most of the remainder of the season he’s on course to score about 12-14 goals even in awful side. Put him in a decent side and that’s likely to translate into being a 20+ goal striker who has a good combination of pace, power and technique. If we can get that on the cheap then it would be foolish not to take it.


If he wants too much, fair enough, let’s not break the bank as we’re not desperate. Maybe look at Bogle or Akinde instead. But if the price is right……

 

[Caseh]

He had one exceptional season which was his only one at this level. He showed that he was far too good for this level and significantly eclipsed any season Clarke has had at this or any level. Don’t get me wrong, I think Clarke’s a useful player for this league but if Evans gets anywhere close to that level, he is significantly better. He’s also a different type of player and would give us a different option to mix things up. He’s got 5 goals in the first less than half of the season playing in an awful team and having missed about 5 games or so through injury. If he’s fit for most of the remainder of the season he’s on course to score about 12-14 goals even in awful side. Put him in a decent side and that’s likely to translate into being a 20+ goal striker who has a good combination of pace, power and technique. If we can get that on the cheap then it would be foolish not to take it.


If he wants too much, fair enough, let’s not break the bank as we’re not desperate. Maybe look at Bogle or Akinde instead. But if the price is right……

If we get him cheap I have no issues with signing him, I have nothing against him at all. However, the way some of our fans seem to be following him, it does seem they would want us to break the bank to get him - Which would be monumentally stupid. I just don't believe he is what we should be looking at. We have positions that do still need strengthening, and I put them all ahead of the forward position. And IF we do go up, I want someone that has done it in that League, not someone that years ago showed they were too good for the League below in one season.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If we get him cheap I have no issues with signing him, I have nothing against him at all. However, the way some of our fans seem to be following him, it does seem they would want us to break the bank to get him - Which would be monumentally stupid. I just don't believe he is what we should be looking at. We have positions that do still need strengthening, and I put them all ahead of the forward position. And IF we do go up, I want someone that has done it in that League, not someone that years ago showed they were too good for the League below in one season.

Can't really argue with that. I think it comes down to looking at the market and what the equivalent would cost. For me, if we can get Evans for less than a proven championship striker or a promising lower player like Bogle or Akinde, then it's worth signing him. Chesterfield are skint, bottom of the league and he is out of contract in the summer so he shouldn't cost the earth. We could throw McNulty and possibly Reed or Whiteman on loan in to sweeten the deal for them.

 

[BushBlade]

Couple of points, partly reiterating other posters' comments.
Ched hasn't shown he can maintain fitness yet. Do we want to sign another Wallace?
How often does a player we re-sign play as well or better for us than the last time? Keith Edwards. Anyone else? Deano maybe?
Why do we think he'd be cheap? What if teams in the championship relegation battle come in for him? If he's as good as some are saying why wouldn't they?

If Wilder wants him, fine. Personally I couldn't give a shit.

 

[Esablade]

...why do people think Ched is Championship level?

 

[originaltrueblade]

Signing him in January will be a good move otherwise Bolton or Bradford will

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Just spoke to an Orient fan who watched the game. Clarke changed the game, looked a handful and should start if he's fit. Didn't stop raving about Fleck and Freeman.

What about Evans? Who? Chesterfield centre forward...looked OK, he could come and play for us, but not good enough for you.

Your Orient mate is on drugs if he thinks Evans was Orient standard.

 

[Sithblade]

...why do people think Ched is Championship level?

He scored 10 goals in 20 starts + 8 as a sub for Norwich in the Championship.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I'm warming to this Leon love in. I really am. Good goal yesterday but it's his first of the season. In 10 games !

Let's not get carried away eh. ?

UTB

PS some of the C*** stuff is hilarious.

 

[Esablade]

He scored 10 goals in 20 starts + 8 as a sub for Norwich in the Championship.

How many for us in the Champ in how many games?

 

[blade too long]

think youll find Ched scored 13 in 67 games over 2 championship seasons
nowhere near good enough

if we were mid table and had scored as many as last season it might be an option
but hes not really needed

 

[blade too long]

original praise or grumble bob on RS just put brian the blade down , he was saying must buy ched he said no let CW choose who he wants now go away , top lad

bring him back

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

If Wilson can get him scoring 30 goals think what wilder could do with him.

I agree he may never regain full form and fitness but by the end of this season it should be clearer

When he's available on a free

 

[Lane Ender]

If we can keep this crop of strikers fit they will/ are terrorising this division don't need change anything until the Championship

 

[Bladey McBladeface]

How often does a player we re-sign play as well or better for us than the last time? Keith Edwards. Anyone else? Deano maybe?

- Billy Sharp

 

[BushBlade]

- Billy Sharp

Lower league though. We were top end of the championship when the chubby coach bombed him out.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Your Orient mate is on drugs if he thinks Evans was Orient standard.

I don't think he meant that standard, rather not good enough to get into our team. Dean Hammond could get a game for Orient, I could get a game for Orient.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Personally, I thought it was Bash that made him look good. He dived in, niavely, that allowed him to turn and play the ball to Nolan for their Goal.

Would've loved to have seen what he was like playing against, what should be, our first choice back 3. JOC on the left JW in the Middle and EEL on the right. Not convinced EEL would've dived in like Bash.

Not convinced, either, that he'd suit CW's style. Seems a bit lazy to me, but that might just be a fitness thing.

 

[Champagneblade]

Clarke is also a renowned goalscorer at this level. Evans had one great season at this level, and that is it.

People want to sign someone that had no professional training for 5 years, because he had one exceptional year. Signing him now would just be like when we signed Brayford - An emotional signing. If Wilder turns around in January and says he wants him, fair enough.. But if he doesn't want him - I don't want him anywhere near the team.

He did have one great season.

He was also our leading scorer when we went down and he also got 10 in 20 for Norwich in the league above.

For anyone doubting if he still has it or not, despite just seeing him I'd like to point you to his performance vs Swindon.

Then, taking into account United are a far better side than Chesterfield, ask if any one of our forwards, Sharp vs Bradford possibly, has come close to that level of domination?

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/36994128

Though he gets no assist credited for it, the first goal comes from his free kick rattling the bar and the goal being scored in the ensuing Melee.

He gets fouled for the pen.

He then scores a goal himself.

All after having an effort tipped onto the post before all this.

He's has the distraction of a retrial yet still has 5 from 13 starts.

He'd walk into the matchday 18 and I dare say he'd be in with a better than average shout of getting in the XI alongside Billy.

Sandwiched in between this virtuoso performance he scored 1 vs Oxford on debut and both goals in a 2-0 win over Walsall.

No brainer. He's out of contract in Jan. Offer Chesterfield some dough plus one from McNulty, Done or Lavery on loan, whichever Wilder fancies least and get him alongside Billy. He was a huge grafter the season we had him and he'll be more determined than ever now so don't agree with folk suggesting he's lazy either.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Couple of points, partly reiterating other posters' comments.
Ched hasn't shown he can maintain fitness yet. Do we want to sign another Wallace?
How often does a player we re-sign play as well or better for us than the last time? Keith Edwards. Anyone else? Deano maybe?
Why do we think he'd be cheap? What if teams in the championship relegation battle come in for him? If he's as good as some are saying why wouldn't they?

If Wilder wants him, fine. Personally I couldn't give a shit.

Regarding fitness, we should probably keep an eye on how he goes over the next 6-7 weeks as the window doesn’t open til then anyway.


Regarding returning players, I’d say Billy is doing considerably better during this stint with the club. Yes it’s a lower standard but Evans spent 2/3 of his time with us in the championship and was back then, far too good for league 1 as he showed in his 1 season there (much like Billy at Scunny). Most of those we’ve brought back have been old by the time we’ve done it which is why they’ve failed (Beattie, Bent etc.).

He should be cheap because Chesterfield are in disarray and need the cash, he’ll be angling for a move because they are in the shit and he only has 6 months left on his contract.


If championship clubs come in, fair enough, let them take him. We don’t need to break the bank. We’re not desperate. Just a case of potentially being able to bring in a very good player for this level for not much money due to his current contractual status and possible affinity for the club. It also prevents one of our promotion rivals from signing him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Personally, I thought it was Bash that made him look good. He dived in, niavely, that allowed him to turn and play the ball to Nolan for their Goal.

Would've loved to have seen what he was like playing against, what should be, our first choice back 3. JOC on the left JW in the Middle and EEL on the right. Not convinced EEL would've dived in like Bash.

Not convinced, either, that he'd suit CW's style. Seems a bit lazy to me, but that might just be a fitness thing.

I’d say he’s anything but lazy. Out of our strikers, I’d say only Done runs more. He did seem to tire though after a frenetic start.

 

[HoodedClaw]

I’d say he’s anything but lazy. Out of our strikers, I’d say only Done runs more. He did seem to tire though after a frenetic start.

He just didn't seem to do half the work our lads did.

Do you feel he'd work with our high intensity pressing style?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

He just didn't seem to do half the work our lads did.

Do you feel he'd work with our high intensity pressing style?

Yes I do. I don't think he'd do the pressing off the ball quite as well as Done but I think his quality and movement when we have the ball would compensate. At worst, I think he'd be a decent alternative for certain games. At best, I think he and Sharp could absolutely smash the league to bits.

 

[Ricky]

Evans was working hard and closing down - right in front of Wilder - in the second half before he got injured. He was also working hard in the first half, particularly in the earlier part of the game where he was a handful and didn't give our defence a second. He's capable of regularly winning the ball too, not just chasing after it. I wouldn't have any doubts about his work rate at all, it goes hand in hand with the extra determination and motivation he'll now have. Any issues will be fitness related, but that will improve.

 

[blade too long]

Its all in Cheds court
If he can show hes getting fitter faster prepared to die for the team, hed be an assett
But hed have to be consistently good till mid january to be even considered
and score 4 or 5 at least in the next 10 games

 

[HoodedClaw]

Yes I do. I don't think he'd do the pressing off the ball quite as well as Done but I think his quality and movement when we have the ball would compensate. At worst, I think he'd be a decent alternative for certain games. At best, I think he and Sharp could absolutely smash the league to bits.

If the deal is loaded in our favour, as I feel it's a big gamble, I wouldn't have a problem with him coming back.

I'm not sure he'd fit CW's style of play, but as you say he would offer something different. I'm also not sure he'd be any good in the Championship, but that's an issue for if/when we get there.