Matt Done

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Done is OK as somebody to have in the squad and his trying hard can be useful at times if he's dragging opposition players out of position and creating space for others, but he shouldn't have started today as Scougall tries just as hard but has a bit of actual form to back it up. Done looked unfit and off the pace, so wasn't even at his best (however good you consider his best to be) and it was no surprise that we improved vastly when he was popped in a corner out of the way. Not his fault, he should never have started to begin with as he clearly wasn't fit.
 



Dear oh dear.....here we go again.

I understand the dislike for Monty is based on your strict ideology around "proper football" and our style of play at that time, but this criticism of Done baffles me. Can't you see what he brings to the team, and how his work allows others to be more effective?
 
I understand the dislike for Monty is based on your strict ideology around "proper football" and our style of play at that time, but this criticism of Done baffles me. Can't you see what he brings to the team, and how his work allows others to be more effective?

Yes I can. He tries very hard and runs around a lot, some of it pretty aimlessly. Draws a round of applause but doesn't actually trouble defenders that much.

Can't you see that others could do that just as well and score a few goals as well? Indeed Scoogs has done just that and he's not even a striker! Did you not see how Leon Clarke's performance illustrated everything that Done can't do?

Sometimes we have to distinguish between very admirable players and very good ones.

I want the best possible for our club. Done isn't.

Sorry, forgot, forgive me. I didn't and don't dislike Monty and don't dislike Done. Both come into the 'admirable' category, but that's where it ends. I don't rate either as footballers though, because ... well ... they aren't.
 
No detriment to him as a player, I think he offers a lot to the team and his work rate is brilliant. Just my opinion that if we can get someone in with a similar workrate who can actually finish then we'd be even more comfortable. As for picking faults? more of how we can improve moving forward. Something else I was conversed with was the wingback delivery when they get into open positions unchallenged. When Clarke get back in he won't be scoring many headers if the deliveries don't improve.

Only player I've seen with a similar work rate to Done is Adam Lalana at Liverpool.
Although he's normally not that great at finishing either but he is better than Done.

Realistically speaking I doubt there any striker available for this level with a similar work rate to Done.
I do know what you mean though. If you have a striker you expect them to be a decent finisher but I've already explained it's not so black and white regards Done because he's effective in other ways.
 
Something's just occurred to me:

1.Tries hard.
2. Runs around a lot.
3. Bladey favourite thanks to numbers 1 and 2 above.
4. Very little ability (no problem; this is S2).
5. Gets a special job description - don't bother about scoring goals, Mr. Striker.
6. Chases shadows relentlessly but achieves next to nothing.

It's all becoming so clear. Why didn't I think of it before? My Lords, Ladies and Bladey Blades, I give you:

Natt Montdonery

Best not to hang job descriptions around a player's neck, Descriptions are far too rigid. Don't insist that Done is a striker. He is a player who disrupts the opposition, takes defenders into areas they may not wish to be in, and, may be, creates space and time for others to benefit. Yes, a goal or three would perhaps silence his doubters but looking at the goals for from recent games, I couldn't give a monkey's hang down if a particular player scores or not. The proof of the pudding is that we are scoring more than three goals per game .and may that continue, regardless who is selected by our manager.
 
Football isn't, and never has been, completely to do with what you do when in possession. This has become more of a feature since the game has increased in pace: as a result of better pitches and an increasing emphasis on sports science.. The game's increasingly to do with what you do when you haven't got the ball, which is why the best footballing side of the generation (Barcelona) worked tirelessly on winning the ball back within three seconds - notwithstanding the peerless technical ability of their players.All the modernists have followed suit, including Klopp in spells at Dortmund and Liverpool. If you replace Matt Done, you have to replace him with someone who gives us what he does out of possession - he is absolutely integral to what we do out of possession.Clarke and Lavery don't have the fitness nor, in Clarke's case, the athleticism to replace these qualities. You are therefore altering the very nature of our team when out of possession. Unless, of course, you replace like for like and find a player who does what he does without the ball and offers much more with the ball (more goals, better technical ability). A great recent example, is Liverpool under Rodgers. They had Suarez and Sterling, who they replaced with the vastly different Benteke and Balotelli. Their pressing game evaporated the following season, they weren't the same side who were winning the ball back high up the pitch. Klopp, in contrast, gives a bit part role to arguably his best goalscorer, Sturridge, because of his lack of appetite for the pressing game He has also jettisoned Benteke and Balotelli for similar reasons.The team is fundamental - if it is functioning pretty effectively you have to be careful when altering the balance. This includes personnel changes.

There are times when this approach is not the best one to take. The Chesterfield game is a really good example. They defended deep and packed the centre of the pitch with a narrow midfield - forcing us wide. They often went long, negating our pressing somewhat. They believed that counterattack was the way to go - passing out from the back was suicide against our pressing. They were determined not to let our technicians influence the game through the centre of the pitch, and were resolved to let us cross the ball to Sharp and Done. They fancied bigger lads would beat in the air (they were proved right for a while). Leon Clarke would surely have been more impactful than Done in this game - his aerial threat would have posed more problems than our high pressing game? Well played Wilder, who consistently sees problems and adapts when necessary.
 
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To me, Done's best remit would be as an impact sub.

Run tirelessly at a Defence which has already been running around for an hour or so and more likely to make a mistake.

I think we can have a better Plan A than this.

Given his form and his output I'd be looking to find a place for Chapman right now. Note output vs input. No issue with Done's graft but Chapman is getting goals and assists, Done isn't.

Question is whether Chapman comes in just off Sharp giving us some proper pace and trickery up front or whether he comes in for Duffy.

I'd go with Duffy in the hole given his readiness to take the ball and that even on a bad or indifferent day he does have output e.g. Assist for Sharp yesterday.

You then create a bit of horses for courses with Scougall, Clarke, Done and Duffy all pushing for these slots although Wilder may go to 4-4-2 at times and create another opening.

If Evans becomes available then he and Sharp would be formidable as he's another hard worker.

It's just a question then if you stick with 3-5-2 or you feel you are so strong up top that you want an extra forward thinking player.

Certainly Duffy-Coutts-Fleck-Chapman looks a bright midfield.
 
think he does a similar role to ozaki at leicester, hi energy to press, , will chip in with a few goals along the way, taken off with 10 to go most weeks.trust wilder to make the calls when he sees fit. at the moment the balance looks good. onwards and upwards
 
Ah Monty...

...but he gives 110%.
...phenomenol work rate.
...never say die attitude.
...covers every blade of grass.

And of course the Monty classic (and for me still the best)

...he works his socks off.
You forgot
........breaks up play
........spoils attacks
.........does the dirty work
........martials the defensive mid areas
... ..takes care of creative attacking mid opposition
 
You forgot
........breaks up play
........spoils attacks
.........does the dirty work
........martials the defensive mid areas
... ..takes care of creative attacking mid opposition

All good qualities which I'm not knocking. But I personally prefer my midfielders/attackers who can do that with an element of being able to control, pass and keep possession of the football added in.
 
The two players in Wilders current 'set up' that most split opinion are Done and Basham.However,the only thing that matters is that,whilst they both have limitations,at the moment,they will both be selected if fit.It is therefore self evident that they are doing what the manager asks of them,thats why they have the shirt ! We have seen this many times in the past under Bassett and Warnock where important players were not the most gifted:
Webster,Booker,Gannon,Montgomery,Doyle etc..... are all players that wouldn't have been selected on ability alone,but were essential to the success of the team.
 



To me, Done's best remit would be as an impact sub.

Run tirelessly at a Defence which has already been running around for an hour or so and more likely to make a mistake.

I think we can have a better Plan A than this.

Given his form and his output I'd be looking to find a place for Chapman right now. Note output vs input. No issue with Done's graft but Chapman is getting goals and assists, Done isn't.

Question is whether Chapman comes in just off Sharp giving us some proper pace and trickery up front or whether he comes in for Duffy.

I'd go with Duffy in the hole given his readiness to take the ball and that even on a bad or indifferent day he does have output e.g. Assist for Sharp yesterday.

You then create a bit of horses for courses with Scougall, Clarke, Done and Duffy all pushing for these slots although Wilder may go to 4-4-2 at times and create another opening.

If Evans becomes available then he and Sharp would be formidable as he's another hard worker.

It's just a question then if you stick with 3-5-2 or you feel you are so strong up top that you want an extra forward thinking player.

Certainly Duffy-Coutts-Fleck-Chapman looks a bright midfield.

An interesting thing to note, during Chapman's interview post Orient, he talks about his work "off the ball" and positioning being something he's working on extensively in training. He also said the manager has been trying him out up front. He has the technical qualities to improve us if he does the leg work. Snippet here: http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/sheffield-united-harry-chapman-leyton-orient-3405084.aspx
 
Been today, great performance on the whole, really dominant. One grumble though, as it always seems to be, is Matt Done. He's simply not good enough when playing up front. He misses 3/4 clear chances for every goal he scores and always seems to be offside. Throughout this run other players have chipped in with goals in games he's missed sitters. Hopefully now Clarke's back on the scene Done will be dropped.
"always seems to be offside???"
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Yes I can. He tries very hard and runs around a lot, some of it pretty aimlessly. Draws a round of applause but doesn't actually trouble defenders that much.

Can't you see that others could do that just as well and score a few goals as well? Indeed Scoogs has done just that and he's not even a striker! Did you not see how Leon Clarke's performance illustrated everything that Done can't do?

Sometimes we have to distinguish between very admirable players and very good ones.

I want the best possible for our club. Done isn't.

Sorry, forgot, forgive me. I didn't and don't dislike Monty and don't dislike Done. Both come into the 'admirable' category, but that's where it ends. I don't rate either as footballers though, because ... well ... they aren't.

I think you'ld be best off fixing up a meet with Wilder to explain to him his problem in recognising a good footballer.
Let us know how you get on. :rolleyes:
 
People might complain about players missing chances but you've got to be there on the end of them to miss them. Matty missed at the near post yesterday but he anticipated the cross and sprinted to get on the end of it. If he hadn't made the effort and shown the instincts he wouldn't have been there at all, just like Chesterfield's forwards were absent when Moore parried Evans' shot across the baby box.

Billy has the same instincts and he doesn't always put them away either. 2 of the goals against Port Vale came when Billy missed sitters and Duffy and Scougall put them away instead, but he was there and the ball finished up in the net regardless. That's what matters.
 
There more to being a striker than scoring goals. Heskey was the best partner Owen ever had according to Owen himself but rarely scored goals.

We're averaging nearly 4 goals a game and he is putting a right shift in. Leave him alone
 
Truly feel sorry for fans who pick at faults after a 4-1 away win.

I feel sorry for anyone who can't see room for improvement after any game/race/event.
It is one win against a side bottom of the league.
We have won nothing, it is just one game out of 46. We need to plan for playing better sides, to achieve success.
The same form wont be good enough, against better sides than Chesterfield.
'Continuous improvement' should be surely the aim in any competition.
 
I think people underestimate Done.

Chessie started the game with a high line and pressed us. It put them on top and we didn't really get going. But his constant running and willingness just gradually nudged their line further back which allowed us to get control of the game, because they could no longer press as effectively or conpact the midfield space.
 
Webster,Booker,Gannon,Montgomery,Doyle etc..... are all players that wouldn't have been selected on ability alone,but were essential to the success of the team.

i was enjoying this post. Some well reasoned opinions posted until this man's name was thrown into the mix.

One of the worst players to ever wear a red and white shirt and his only contribution to the "success" of the team was getting us relegated and stuck in this god awful league for so long.

Mind you, his silly walk at WH would appear to be enough to gain him legend status for some of our fans
 
I feel sorry for anyone who can't see room for improvement after any game/race/event.
It is one win against a side bottom of the league.
We have won nothing, it is just one game out of 46. We need to plan for playing better sides, to achieve success.
The same form wont be good enough, against better sides than Chesterfield.
'Continuous improvement' should be surely the aim in any competition.
I don't think anyone's against 'continuous improvement', but it seems as if
a) Done is being cast as some sort of 'useless wage thief' and
b) Wilder doesn't believe in improvement and doesn't know what he's doing because he picks Done.
 
Done's the Cressy to Sharp's Evans. Doing the donkey work with little reward.

In saying that though, we have got other talented options this time round. He needs a big (scoring) game pretty soon, what with Leon breathing down his neck.
 
Something's just occurred to me:

1.Tries hard.
2. Runs around a lot.
3. Bladey favourite thanks to numbers 1 and 2 above.
4. Very little ability (no problem; this is S2).
5. Gets a special job description - don't bother about scoring goals, Mr. Striker.
6. Chases shadows relentlessly but achieves next to nothing.

It's all becoming so clear. Why didn't I think of it before? My Lords, Ladies and Bladey Blades, I give you:

Natt Montdonery
Ive looked at the table this morning and the goals scored in Sheffield Uniteds column and to say he achieves nothing makes that post look what it is. A load of shit. Wish we could have some wanker who thinks hes good doesn't run around a lot and weighs in with a penalty once a month to drive us on ,someone like Jose Baxter say ? No fucking thank you ,Matt Done will do for me thank you very much.

Leon Clark scored when they were finished ,Done had done his dirty work for him. Not saying Clark wont weigh in too ,but look at the TEAMS scoring record when Done and Clark have played.
 
There are players I haven't particularly rated over the years I've watched this club, and some I've been quite vocal about.

Not usually on the back of long unbeaten runs whilst the goals are flowing and the football is very watchable.
Sometimes leaving things alone is quite the best option . . .
 



Ive looked at the table this morning and the goals scored in Sheffield Uniteds column and to say he achieves nothing makes that post look what it is. A load of shit. Wish we could have some wanker who thinks hes good doesn't run around a lot and weighs in with a penalty once a month to drive us on ,someone like Jose Baxter say ? No fucking thank you ,Matt Done will do for me thank you very much.

Hear hear to that. And while we're at it bring back Flynn, Collins & Doyle.

And while we're at it there's nowt wrong with Basham either. If we go up then he's one of maybe 4 or 5 of that team who's going to be able to cut it in the Championship.
 

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