SUFC youngsters - Who looks the most promising?

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I suppose the decisions at a football club that are made for what ever reasons are more open to interrogation. It's just galling when we invest time & money in to the kids and let talented lads go, not to be picked up by clubs for first team football with a financial benefit to us, but to picked up by other Acadamies who have the foresight to make players out of those that we cast aside
 



I suppose the decisions at a football club that are made for what ever reasons are moine the staff have to make a dcision re open to interrogation. It's just galling when we invest time & money in to the kids and let talented lads go, not to be picked up by clubs for first team football with a financial benefit to us, but to picked up by other Acadamies who have the foresight to make players out of those that we cast aside

It happens at most clubs I'm afraid. I believe we signed a young player who was formerly signed to Man City on junior terms, so a case of what goes around comes around.

Hindsight plays no part in judging whether a young player might come good in a few years. Their development is gauged in the moment and, I guess, over the following 12 months. So year by year the staff have to assess just how good a player might become. If a player seems stuck in a rut, or has stagnated, or seems ill-equipped to deal with that step up, then the axe has to fall. The most unpleasant part of the job of course, but I suppose this is then countered by the knowledge that a youth player has managed to pass with flying colours and made it into the first team squad. Understandably none of this can be achieved by wrapping a player in cotton wool, the harsh realities of what they have to confront is what makes the difference between the 'not quite good enoughs' and those who are destined for the role of professional footballer.
 
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I suppose the decisions at a football club that are made for what ever reasons are more open to interrogation. It's just galling when we invest time & money in to the kids and let talented lads go, not to be picked up by clubs for first team football with a financial benefit to us, but to picked up by other Acadamies who have the foresight to make players out of those that we cast aside
So, of these kids we've released, which ones are now close to first team football?
 
We'll agree to disagree on that.
If you're now telling me what I agree to, I'm guessing you're 'management'.

;)

There are plenty of studies that back me up but it is a football forum, not the CIM so I'll leave it at that.
After saying 'Max Pemberton'.
 
There are a few that should get in out of this crop, but as always there's some that are disappointing - or maybe it's me that can's see what Binnion sees

Don't Think Burton will make it through, not enough goals for a striker. Tends to be a bit greedy & runs out of skill before he gets chance to score

Thought Parkhouse was going to be the one that would come through for us. He had a decent season last year, but has dropped off

Hallam is a lucky lad. Binnion's notorious for having his favourites & this lad's one of them. Doesn't think he has to tackle or press from midfield & when we're up against a strong side he goes missing. Can be good from dead ball, but tends to throw himself on the floor a lot to get them - we could always sell him to Spanish side

Wright is another that's not strong enough. I was surprised that he made it up from U16's. He's losing ground this season

Gilmour is a good lad & we've already got him signed up. He puts a shift in & is consistent although I fear for him cos Slater's coming through & he looks like his star is rising

Slater is one that we really do need to sign up as soon as possible. He's aggressive, skilful & he knows where the net is. If we don't keep hold of this lad he'll come back & bite us in a few years time

Smith is another that come back & bite us if we let him go, but unfortunately he's not a favourite & doesn't get the U23's exposure. I don't know if it's cos he's been here since e was about 8, but he looks like he want to fight for the shirt

Alex Brown (no relation to Brown who played the other night) is another who's been here for about 10 years. He has a sweet left foot from dead ball, but has varying performances. He's very much a confidence player, he's just coming back from injury so don't know how confident he'll be. There's also the spectre of another favourite in Cantrill coming in at left back that may knock his confidence

I've seen Cantrill at left & right back, but his delivery from the right isn't as good as from the left. He's aggressive & likes to get forward, which is probably why Binnion likes him. In general he's good at the things that you can teach, but his defensive positioning, reading of the game & decision making let him down, which will probably see him found out before we could get him to the first team

Semple is another we've got signed up. He heads & kicks everything that's in front of him, but needs it to be happening in front of him cos his lack of pace costs on two counts. 1st he can get left by anyone with pace & 2nd he frequently pulls back the fullbacks for cover limiting our attacking options

Cummings is another we should get signed up. He's a big lad and can be physical when needed, but he's another that like things happening in front of him. I've seen him at right back & up front when the strikers are misfiring, but he tends to play both of those positions like a Centre Half

Charlesworth is the one I would back to be signed up by us or picked up by others to come back & shut us out in years to come. He's probably the most consistent lad we've got & the most defensive minded fullback , he will give a solid 7+ each game. He reads the game well & can lay in some excellent crosses when he gets forward, but misses the glory cos he's the one relied on at set pieces to carry out defensive duties

Everyone knows about Ramsdale. Excellent goalkeeper & seems like a genuine lad. I just wish he'd get more game time. The lad that's coming through after him is Perryman, he's not at the same level as Ramsdale & can easily have his confidence knocked which is not good for a GK

All in all we've got 3 already signed from this group with at least 3 that should get their contracts sooner rather than later which is not bad, but in an ideal world I'd like more so that we can avoid the wage thieves that see us as a big club & come on big money and produce nothing
 
I wouldn't worry too much if I were you about Slater coming back to bite us he's a born and bred Blade who's dream is to play for Sheff Utd so long as United want him he'll be there for a while yet trust me!!!
 
I wouldn't worry too much if I were you about Slater coming back to bite us he's a born and bred Blade who's dream is to play for Sheff Utd so long as United want him he'll be there for a while yet trust me!!!
All the more reason to get him signed up! He's a talented lad, I hope Binnion sees it & does something about it
 
I suppose the decisions at a football club that are made for what ever reasons are more open to interrogation. It's just galling when we invest time & money in to the kids and let talented lads go, not to be picked up by clubs for first team football with a financial benefit to us, but to picked up by other Acadamies who have the foresight to make players out of those that we cast aside
You said players meaning more than one from this group was released.
Only Kirby from the pigs has gone on and got a contract ....
He is not better than Slater or Gilmoor And as I remember Gilmoor battered him when the 2 sides met last season in the game you watched.

Not sure where you are coming from but the lads pushed on have done excellent, including Slater who you clearly rate.
Charlesworth, Gilmoor, Slater, Semple, Cummings, Hallam, Brown have all done exceptionally well and deserve a pro contract to push on to the next level.
Smith will get one to, although it is only now that he has stepped up and bulked up.

Not one of them are perfect. If they were they would not be at our club.

Your point seems to be very much aimed at Binnion having favourites and pointing out the faults with the players who have been pushed on... Leading me to question your motives of your posts !!
I think you know this group very well as I do and maybe things have not gone quite as you would have liked.

On the other hand I could be completely wrong, but I don't think so
 
You said players meaning more than one from this group was released.
Only Kirby from the pigs has gone on and got a contract ....
He is not better than Slater or Gilmoor And as I remember Gilmoor battered him when the 2 sides met last season in the game you watched.

Not sure where you are coming from but the lads pushed on have done excellent, including Slater who you clearly rate.
Charlesworth, Gilmoor, Slater, Semple, Cummings, Hallam, Brown have all done exceptionally well and deserve a pro contract to push on to the next level.
Smith will get one to, although it is only now that he has stepped up and bulked up.

Not one of them are perfect. If they were they would not be at our club.

Your point seems to be very much aimed at Binnion having favourites and pointing out the faults with the players who have been pushed on... Leading me to question your motives of your posts !!
I think you know this group very well as I do and maybe things have not gone quite as you would have liked.

On the other hand I could be completely wrong, but I don't think so

I know this group fairly well as these are the first group of lads I started watching since I lost my job & 1st team football watching became expensive for me
I admit that I am not a Binnon fan, when I first started watching them Morgan was in charge, who I greatly admire. I suppose the problem I have is that some players with flaws are lauded over others with flaws, now maybe my football knowledge is not as good, maybe they train harder or maybe they're favourites
As for the lad who went to pigs - one is too many for me. I hate the fact that we could have done anything to help them
 
If you're now telling me what I agree to, I'm guessing you're 'management'.

;)

There are plenty of studies that back me up but it is a football forum, not the CIM so I'll leave it at that.
After saying 'Max Pemberton'.
Was in management for a while, but spent most of my working life being ordered about...

Max Pembo... Nepotism
 
I know this group fairly well as these are the first group of lads I started watching since I lost my job & 1st team football watching became expensive for me
I admit that I am not a Binnon fan, when I first started watching them Morgan was in charge, who I greatly admire. I suppose the problem I have is that some players with flaws are lauded over others with flaws, now maybe my football knowledge is not as good, maybe they train harder or maybe they're favourites
As for the lad who went to pigs - one is too many for me. I hate the fact that we could have done anything to help them
Was in management for a while, but spent most of my working life being ordered about...

Max Pembo... Nepotism
At the age these lads are at some will always push on quicker than others .... It can be physical, mental, ability.

But at the end of a 2 year scholarship it does not matter how they got a pro contract it's about getting there. As in life some get there quicker than others.
As for the lad at the pigs, I imagine his pro deal was given as much as giving 2 fingers to united from the pigs ..... He is further away from the first team as a 15 year old at united.

Max Pembo getting a scholar made his father and the academy a laughing stock !!

I agree Wrong Side that some have had more chances but don't blame the lads. All the lads you mention have been at our club since 8 years old ..... And all got this far at differing times, and with many dips in form along the way I would imagine.
 



Max Pembo... Nepotism

We had Keith Furphy, Steve Circuit, Paul Macari and David Capper too. All their fathers were employed by the club at the time their respective sons were in our books. None of them made it to our first team but Furphy played some NASL games
 
I thought Morgan was with the Under 21s - did he run the under 18s as well?
 
and don't forget George Long. He's a really brilliant goalkeeper who will come good someday according to a few folk on here.
 
I think David Brooks is the next big thing to come out of the development squad personally. Sweet left foot but needs to work on his right foot because apparently it tastes like a lemon.
 
I think David Brooks is the next big thing to come out of the development squad personally. Sweet left foot but needs to work on his right foot because apparently it tastes like a lemon.

Well Quinny's lack of a right foot hasn't really hampered him!
 
Now if we'd gone into checkatrade with this approach from the start maybe we wouldn't have heard all the 'couldn't give a fuck' comments about it. Played some youngsters in proper competitive football and everybody's keen to see how it pans out, ok maybe if the result hadn't been so good it wouldn't be so appealing but you can only beat what's in front of you (and yes I appreciate Grimsby were considerably weaker than their starting 11 too).
 
The geniuses at the Football League would do themselves a massive favour if they got rid of the stupid rules regarding team selection. Then youngsters would get their chance and more than 200 fans might be interested enough to actually go and watch it.
 
When I started watching them Morgan was U21's as Binnion is U23's now, but Binniion is supposedly Acadamy Mgr too. Larky may know more
Last season Binnion was 18s manager and Morgan 21s manager. Nick Cox was academy manager.

This season Geary is 18s manager and Binnion 23s manager and Academy manager.
 

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