Lavery

[Slim Man]

Been told today we have to pay a fee to Wendy after Lavery's first start

Makes you think doesn't it...

 

[Ricky]

Something's obviously going on here.

He'll easily be fit enough to start by now.

Seems we might be fucking him about like Wednesday were, just in a different way. And I bet it's over something like 20k...

If this is the case then I assume we never, ever intend to start him?

 

[Trigger Blade]

Been told today we have to pay a fee to Wendy after Lavery's first start

Makes you think doesn't it...

It makes me think it would be a very strange transfer policy, bringing a player but not giving him a start in order to avoid triggering a transfer payment.....

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

It makes me think it would be a very strange transfer policy, bringing a player but not giving him a start in order to avoid triggering a transfer payment.....

Possibly using it as an extended trial period before deciding whether or not to keep or offload?

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

I'm sorry, we're not starting him to save money? Really?

 

[alcoblade]

Sounds like bollocks to me. I'd go for brining him in on the second half against tired legs. He's played very little football of late so it doesn't seem unthinkable that he's not fully fit yet.

UTB

 

[Blade58]

If we are never goner start the fella due to finances, then we shouldn't have signed him

Not fair to the player, nor the fans for that matter

On that basis, I don't buy it, although nowt would surprise me these days

 

[wizadry]

If he isn't fully fit by now then there's something up. You only get match fit by starting the fuckers, coming off the bench is completely different and doesn't get you match fit, different scenarios completely.

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

if this isn't the right game to give him a run out and get him 'match fit' then I don't know when is

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

I don't understand the rush

 

[wizadry]

I don't understand the rush

Rush? He's been here for months and as others have stated why not start him in this and sub him after an hour if fitness is the issue? You will never get match fit without starting competitive games.

 

[wesleysnipesmen]

Can't see Wilder being told he can't play someone cos the club will have to pay a fee. That's the sort of contract Adkins would write up!

 

[Enigmatic]

I'll reserve judgement until after the match on Wednesday. If he's not getting decent time in these two cup games then it is slightly concerning.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Rush? He's been here for months and as others have stated why not start him in this and sub him after an hour if fitness is the issue? You will never get match fit without starting competitive games.

Yes but we are winning regularly so there's no panic.

If wilder doesn't think he's ready tactically or fitness wise we can afford to take our time

Also, Scougall and Chapman have done really well when they're come on do it'd be a bit unfair to them

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Coutts is captain today, what a long way he has come.

He took nearly 2 seasons to get match fit, all be it from a bad injury

 

[nicksufc]

Wednesday released him in July and he became a free agent. We then signed him late August. We will have had to pay a small fee for him at the time to Wednesday (as he is under 24) but they wouldn't have been able to insert any such clause into his contract. If you're gonna make stuff up, at least make it plausible...

 

[Slim Man]

Wednesday released him in July and he became a free agent. We then signed him late August. We will have had to pay a small fee for him at the time to Wednesday (as he is under 24) but they wouldn't have been able to insert any such clause into his contract. If you're gonna make stuff up, at least make it plausible...

Woah, nothing to do with me I was told it in the pub pre match. It's not like I regularly spread rumours on this forum, find me one.
Could be total bollocks but something's up.

 

[wizadry]

Yes but we are winning regularly so there's no panic.

If wilder doesn't think he's ready tactically or fitness wise we can afford to take our time

Also, Scougall and Chapman have done really well when they're come on do it'd be a bit unfair to them

I do see where you're coming from and I do tend to agree but we're going to need him up and ready to start games though as injuries and suspensions will come thick and fast, for this to happen he needs to start games and this was an ideal opportunity.

I must stress that I'm not for one minute thinking we're not starting him due to a fee being installed in his contract, although it is strange that he hasn't started today.

 

[Houso]

Strange that he's not played yet. But the whole start = payment is bull.

So we could bring him on after 5 minutes and never pay anything? ha.

 

[itsinyerblood]

It's bordering on hysterical how some poster's impatience adopts such an accusatory tone, as if there's a suggestion that the club, or even Wilder, seem to have another Wallace on their hands. Apart from those who make the decisions that matter, the likes of myself and anyone else who call ourselves supporters have no idea why Lavery isn't starting, yet the first thing that happens is that some type of negative is raised, because.....well, isn't that what happens when those who manage these situations, yet choose to keep their counsel close to their chests, don't share the specifics with the rest of us? A bit less accusation and a lot more calm would help everyone. Whatever the reason(s) for Lavery's gradual introduction to first team football, stop second guessing and accept that Wilder and company have their reasons.

 

[wizadry]

It's bordering on hysterical how some poster's impatience adopts such an accusatory tone, as if there's a suggestion that the club, or even Wilder, seem to have another Wallace on their hands. Apart from those who make the decisions that matter, the likes of myself and anyone else who call ourselves supporters have no idea why Lavery isn't starting, yet the first thing that happens is that some type of negative is raised, because.....well, isn't that what happens when those who manage these situations, yet choose to keep their counsel close to their chests, don't share the specifics with the rest of us? A bit less accusation and a lot more calm would help everyone. Whatever the reason(s) for Lavery's gradual introduction to first team football, stop second guessing and accept that Wilder and company have their reasons.

Lets just fuck the forum off then and not discuss anything.

A bloke has been told something and he's sharing it on here, nothing wrong at all with that.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Lets just fuck the forum off then and not discuss anything.

A bloke has been told something and he's sharing it on here, nothing wrong at all with that.

You're missing the point wiz, there's an overall hysteria that seems to suggest that there's something dreadfully wrong with Lavery. Perhaps Wilder's taken advice from his medical staff and approaching Lavery's recovery with understandable caution. Nowhere have I said that opinions shouldn't be aired, even if they're missing the point. Post away, I agree that's why the forum's here. I recall you've posted occasionally mentioning how you disagree with opinions of other posters, seems perfectly fair to me, or have I missed the point?

 

[Rodley]

The whole first start payment things sounds like utter horseshit.

 

[nicksufc]

Woah, nothing to do with me I was told it in the pub pre match. It's not like I regularly spread rumours on this forum, find me one.
Could be total bollocks but something's up.

Apologies I did mean whoever made this up originally

 

[Karaoke Blade]

He's come on at half time. Will that do?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Sounds like bollocks to me. I'd go for brining him in on the second half against tired legs. He's played very little football of late so it doesn't seem unthinkable that he's not fully fit yet.

UTB

Lo and behold

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Chapman and Scougall score, it's almost as wilder knows what he's doing

 

[wizadry]

You're missing the point wiz, there's an overall hysteria that seems to suggest that there's something dreadfully wrong with Lavery. Perhaps Wilder's taken advice from his medical staff and approaching Lavery's recovery with understandable caution. Nowhere have I said that opinions shouldn't be aired, even if they're missing the point. Post away, I agree that's why the forum's here. I recall you've posted occasionally mentioning how you disagree with opinions of other posters, seems perfectly fair to me, or have I missed the point?

Wilder will have his reasons, forums can be used to discuss what those reasons could be and to be perfectly honest there isn't a positive to look at in terms of a player coming in and not getting a start in two and half months, especially in cup games where we have Done out injured and Billy is apparently ill, although he's on the bench.

No one is saying there's something dreadfully wrong, they just find it strange that after being here for over two months that he can't get a start when this was an ideal opportunity. Hopefully you're right and they're looking after him whilst we're in a rich vein of form but we can still discuss it.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Wilder will have his reasons, forums can be used to discuss what those reasons could be and to be perfectly honest there isn't a positive to look at in terms of a player coming in and not getting a start in two and half months, especially in cup games where we have Done out injured and Billy is apparently ill, although he's on the bench.

No one is saying there's something dreadfully wrong, they just find it strange that after being here for over two months that he can't get a start when this was an ideal opportunity. Hopefully you're right and they're looking after him whilst we're in a rich vein of form but we can still discuss it.

Just to repeat, nowhere have I even implied that anyone shouldn't post an opinion. My point was, and still is, that over the last few weeks there's been a head of steam building that we've been sold a pup, rather than adopt a more mature view that Wilder will have his reasons for taking his time in introducing Lavery. If Lavery has the sort of injury that means his career is under threat then que sera, we'll take it for what it is. My view is that rather than unnecessarily risk the player, Wilder is doing what he's paid to do, make considered decisions that are in everyone's best interest.