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Following on from the discussion in this thread, what do you consider our derbies to be?

Some draw the line at city borders... the only derby is Us v. Them. I would agree.

Others push the boundaries out further. South Yorkshire derby? Yorkshire derby? Where do we draw the line?

Leeds is 42 miles away yet Manchester is 41 miles away. Surely derbies are built on local rivalries?

What do you think?
 



There is more than one derby match but they go in order of importance

1 Wendy's
2 Weeds
3 Rotherham
4 Barnsley
5 Chesterfield

Thats my opinion anywho.
 
Wednesday is the only derby for me. Leeds is a very big game, but it's not due to it being a derby, just due to us hating them, but then again, what club doesn't hate Leeds?
 
SensibladeWorldOfSoccer said:
There is more than one derby match but they go in order of importance

1 Wendy's
2 Weeds
3 Rotherham
4 Barnsley
5 Chesterfield

Thats my opinion anywho.
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What about Doncaster? Mansfield? Farsley Celtic? Where do we draw the line?!
 
The only list of derbies that matter for us is, in my opinion, (and I'm right:p) this one:

1. Wednesday.
 
Well obviously Wednesday's is THE derby. Then in my opinion i see another two categories, if you like...

Then i'd say - Barnsley, Rotherham and Chesterfield - due to their closeness to Sheffield. Id leave Doncaster out, as it's quite far away and we don't have any particular history of hatred towards them, or vice-versa.

Then Leeds. Its the clash the big Yorkshire cities i suppose, so it can't be deniable that it's a derby game. Also, the history between the clubs - them generally being the big club, taking all our top players etc. adds to the geographical links. Maybe you could include Forest in this for similar reasons. But id just say that is more of hatred thing, than a derby...


So in my own personal opinion, id draw the line as a local derby(after wednesdays) at the likes of Barnsley etc. Then the derby against Leeds is one for slightly different reasons.
 
But that's what it all boils down to "hating" other people. I don't profess to hating Wednesday so how can I garner enough so-called hatred to share amongst these other teams?

Fair enough having rivalries with other teams but why should this be limited to county boundaries? The clubs that have done us the biggest ills in recent times are arguably West Ham, Liverpool and Arsenal. What have poor Barnsley ever done to us?

Or does it boil down to bragging rights? "Look at me, I'm better than you because my team beat yours. Yeah, we're both in the bottom of the table and there are many clubs better than both of us, but we beat you so ner".

These do make local games more interesting. How many people work with colleagues from Rotherham, Barnsley, Huddersfield etc? Even after the Wednesday game, which no one could dispute is a derby, the sky didn't fall down and water didn't start flowing up-hill just because my mates at work could say "you're shit". I hastily agreed. So if bragging rights aren't that important, why are people so quick to amass clubs in over to gain bragging rights over them?

Whether you call them derbies or not, you still earn the same points. So why collect them?
 
Linz said:
But that's what it all boils down to "hating" other people. I don't profess to hating Wednesday so how can I garner enough so-called hatred to share amongst these other teams?

Fair enough having rivalries with other teams but why should this be limited to county boundaries? The clubs that have done us the biggest ills in recent times are arguably West Ham, Liverpool and Arsenal. What have poor Barnsley ever done to us?

Or does it boil down to bragging rights? "Look at me, I'm better than you because my team beat yours. Yeah, we're both in the bottom of the table and there are many clubs better than both of us, but we beat you so ner".

These do make local games more interesting. How many people work with colleagues from Rotherham, Barnsley, Huddersfield etc? Even after the Wednesday game, which no one could dispute is a derby, the sky didn't fall down and water didn't start flowing up-hill just because my mates at work could say "you're shit". I hastily agreed. So if bragging rights aren't that important, why are people so quick to amass clubs in over to gain bragging rights over them?

Whether you call them derbies or not, you still earn the same points. So why collect them?
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I don't class the passion I feel when we play local teams as hatred, it's just passion. I feel passion for United every game, but it's more intense against the likes of Wendy.
I don't class it as collecting them either, they are just what they are, games against those local teams (and Weeds) are derbys in my opinion.
 
Linz said:
But that's what it all boils down to "hating" other people. I don't profess to hating Wednesday so how can I garner enough so-called hatred to share amongst these other teams?

Fair enough having rivalries with other teams but why should this be limited to county boundaries? The clubs that have done us the biggest ills in recent times are arguably West Ham, Liverpool and Arsenal. What have poor Barnsley ever done to us?

Or does it boil down to bragging rights? "Look at me, I'm better than you because my team beat yours. Yeah, we're both in the bottom of the table and there are many clubs better than both of us, but we beat you so ner".

These do make local games more interesting. How many people work with colleagues from Rotherham, Barnsley, Huddersfield etc? Even after the Wednesday game, which no one could dispute is a derby, the sky didn't fall down and water didn't start flowing up-hill just because my mates at work could say "you're shit". I hastily agreed. So if bragging rights aren't that important, why are people so quick to amass clubs in over to gain bragging rights over them?

Whether you call them derbies or not, you still earn the same points. So why collect them?
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You see you have mentioned rivalries now. There is a difference between a rivalry and a derby(which this thread is about).
 
So define a derby for me and say why they should be held in different regard to any other match...
 
There are 2 "derbies" for United.

Wednesday and Sheffield FC ONLY.

Anything other than that is purely another game.
 
To me there will only ever be two derbies and they are know as the Sheffield Derbies.

Sheffield United v Sheffield Wednesday
and
Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United

:)
 



Technically Rotherham and Barnsley are in Sheffield, they have Sheffield post codes ;)

I remember in the promotion season we stopped off at a services on the way down to Watford a Leeds fan started talking to us and saying that our biggest game would be against them. He seemed genuinely shocked when we said we didn't care if we beat them or not, as long as we beat Wednesday twice.
 
But earlier in a post you basically boiled a derby down to hatred, or rivalry, whatever floats your boat. You said you didn't class Doncaster, Chesterfield etc...etc...because ''it's quite far away and we don't have any particular history of hatred towards them''
 
Peoples opinions will always be different regarding derbies - some people class Barnsley as a derby because they 'hate the inbred scum' - perhaps not a just reason, whilst others will say it is because they live half way between Sheffield and Barnsley

IMO games like Barnsley is a derby and it is probably better that way especially in a 46-game season if you only see 2 games with that much meaning and passion then you've got 44 'just-another-games' havent you Mr Robson?

Look at London for example - living down hear Im surrounded by Charlton/Spurs/WestHam/Arsenal fans etc. and they class everyone of them games as a derby - not necessarily because of postcode, nor history or hatred - purely because its against a club which is fairly local with supporters who are local too

The other arguement is the importance - you can 'rank' derbies according to meaning and importance like for example Wendy being more of a clash than home to Rotherham in a pre-season friendly

This happens all over the country Scouses yesterday saw it as a derby (as did Man Utd) but both have bigger rivalries and subsequent derby games within their city but i still believe that game to be a derby as I do with our game against Barnsley

Peoples opinions will differ - mine is no doubt wrong to most people as theirs will be to mine - but thats life

1 thing to agree on is come April the 8th everybody inside BDTBL will know its a derby and a derby we will win

UTB!
 
One question for you all.

Which match this season would you want to win most?

:)
 
Just Wednesdays for me. I've always thought opposing fans tend to fabricate these 'derbies' with us (like Leeds) whereas the only derby that most unitedites will give two shits about and treat like a derby is the Steel City Derby
 
It depends on how you define a derby. I always said that a 'local derby' was a tautology, but then again 'local' can be debated. Hereford have a fierce rivalry with Torquay. Can't think why. Honest!

Obviously the pigs are our hated neighbours, but to me, a derby has to have an extended history, with regard to the club itself, and the general geographical position.

So for me and many others, Ipswich have a real sour smell about them, but even though we usually do bugger all down there, losing to them isn't the same as losing to Toytown, or the Dingles, let alone the pigs.

We're slightly odd in Sheffield that we have such a rivalry. In Manchester, only one side is bothered. In Liverpool, they're both more bothered about beating Manchester (typical victim culture). In Nottingham, County hate Forest; Forest fans go to Meadow Lane.

Birmingham and Bristol are the only other places in England where there are two sides who have the same rivalry as we have.
 
But yet there was rows of empty seating.... Is that a policy of the Ticketing at Hillsborough or just a lack of interest from the general Public????
 
happyhippy said:
Birmingham and Bristol are the only other places in England where there are two sides who have the same rivalry as we have.
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But Birmingham are in a similar situation with teams like West Brom - both City & Villa have a dislike for them and would call it a derby, as we would with Weeds
 



Personally I think a derby game is a city derby Ie United vs wednesday

recently we are now hearing south yorkshire derbies, yorkshire derbies (which include Hull now)
 
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