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Silent Blade said:
Again, higher admission prices doesnt guarantee quality on the pitch. How would you know that the expensive signings will bring success to the club when you are paying £600-700 more beforehand? We made expensive signings in 1996 and 1997 but it didnt get us promotion and the season tickets didnt sell as much as Mike McDonald hoped so he decided to sell Fjortoft, Deane and Hutchison in 1998
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The one year we properly went for it and spent cash in the Championship, we went up.
 



PeteBlade said:
The one year we properly went for it and spent cash in the Championship, we went up.
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Agree.

1970/71 - We only signed John Barnwell (miss) and Billy Dearden (hit) before the start of the season. In January we sold John Tudor (I was upset at the sale) and signed John Hope (a hit for 1971 only) and David Ford (miss). We got promotion

1974/75 - We sold Geoff Salmons (one of our best players) but our incomings were players from 3rd division and this disappointed a lot of our fans but we finished 6th in the league

1975/76 - We broke our transfer record by signing Chris Guthrie (miss) but we finished bottom of the table

1978/79 - We sign Steve Finnieston, John Matthews, Peter Anderson, Alex Sabella and mid -season signed John MacPhail but sold Keith Edwards and later Simon Stainrod and Imre Varadi but we got relegation to the 3rd division

1980/81 - We sign Bob Hatton, Martin Peters, Mike Trusson, Steve Neville and later Don Givens. Sold Alex Sabella. Relegation to the 4th

1981-82 - Reg Brealey allowed Porterfield a very large budget to get us promotion

1982-83 - Again we spent heavily (Alan Young and Terry Curran the notable ones) but we finished mid table

In the rest of Porterfield years we carried on making expensive signings (Glenn Cockerill to Southampton was the most disappointing sale), got us promotion to the 2nd division in 1984 but in 1985 and 1986 we finished below our expectations

In 1988 Bassett admitted that we got relegation because he had made too many changes to the team too close to the end of the 1987-88 season. But his brilliant wheeling and dealing (a lot of our signings were players not many of us had heard of) got us two successive promotions and we had 4 seasons in the top flight (Deane's sale made it hard for us to stay up in 1994)

We have talked about the McDonald years which didnt see us get promotion despite record fees being paid and having a high wage bill

Yes, 2005-06 was a very good season for signing the right players but recruitment in January 2007 was very poor and we got relegation

In 2007 Robson spunked the Tevez cash and it went downhill apart from nearly getting promotion via the play offs in 2009

History tells us that making expensive signings didnt always bring us success, it is about getting the right formula
 
Silent Blade said:
Agree.

1970/71 - We only signed John Barnwell (miss) and Billy Dearden (hit) before the start of the season. In January we sold John Tudor (I was upset at the sale) and signed John Hope (a hit for 1971 only) and David Ford (miss). We got promotion

1974/75 - We sold Geoff Salmons (one of our best players) but our incomings were players from 3rd division and this disappointed a lot of our fans but we finished 6th in the league

1975/76 - We broke our transfer record by signing Chris Guthrie (miss) but we finished bottom of the table

1978/79 - We sign Steve Finnieston, John Matthews, Peter Anderson, Alex Sabella and mid -season signed John MacPhail but sold Keith Edwards and later Simon Stainrod and Imre Varadi but we got relegation to the 3rd division

1980/81 - We sign Bob Hatton, Martin Peters, Mike Trusson, Steve Neville and later Don Givens. Sold Alex Sabella. Relegation to the 4th

1981-82 - Reg Brealey allowed Porterfield a very large budget to get us promotion

1982-83 - Again we spent heavily (Alan Young and Terry Curran the notable ones) but we finished mid table

In the rest of Porterfield years we carried on making expensive signings (Glenn Cockerill to Southampton was the most disappointing sale), got us promotion to the 2nd division in 1984 but in 1985 and 1986 we finished below our expectations

In 1988 Bassett admitted that we got relegation because he had made too many changes to the team too close to the end of the 1987-88 season. But his brilliant wheeling and dealing (a lot of our signings were players not many of us had heard of) got us two successive promotions and we had 4 seasons in the top flight (Deane's sale made it hard for us to stay up in 1994)

We have talked about the McDonald years which didnt see us get promotion despite record fees being paid and having a high wage bill

Yes, 2005-06 was a very good season for signing the right players but recruitment in January 2007 was very poor and we got relegation

In 2007 Robson spunked the Tevez cash and it went downhill apart from nearly getting promotion via the play offs in 2009

History tells us that making expensive signings didnt always bring us success, it is about getting the right formula
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Sadly the eras you describe above are so far removed from modern day football they may as well be different sports.
 
PeteBlade said:
Sadly the eras you describe above are so far removed from modern day football they may as well be different sports.
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Nowadays the players agents have a lot more power and this affect us a lot especially as we are the biggest club in this division
 
Silent Blade said:
I have said it many time "Find a Blade fan that will be able to buy out McCabe"

His biggest mistake was Robson. I am not saying he doesnt make mistakes, just that his heart rules his head and listens to the fans too much. I think he should be like Alam by refusing to communicate with the fans (you wont like that!)
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Why does it need to be a Blade that buys out McCabe?

It must be very selective hearing because the constant spouting of reinvesting transfer funds wisely hasn't ever been listened to?
 
Silent Blade said:
See post #19
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I don't really want to but will if you need me to spell it out.

But let's have a look at teams that have won trophies, gained promotions, got to play off finals etc - things you may call moderate success and/or progression - over, say, the last 5 years. The majority of these clubs' chairman is not a fan of the club? So in summary it really doesn't matter.

As for asset stripping you've got to be joking for a reaction surely? A chairman who has gone from PL team, paying £40k wages to Beattie to sell, sell, sell and we're bottom of L1? Yeah, I hope nobody comes in and ruins this fairytale ride. That would be awful!!
 



s10blade said:
I don't really want to but will if you need me to spell it out.

But let's have a look at teams that have won trophies, gained promotions, got to play off finals etc - things you may call moderate success and/or progression - over, say, the last 5 years. The majority of these clubs' chairman is not a fan of the club? So in summary it really doesn't matter.

As for asset stripping you've got to be joking for a reaction surely? A chairman who has gone from PL team, paying £40k wages to Beattie to sell, sell, sell and we're bottom of L1? Yeah, I hope nobody comes in and ruins this fairytale ride. That would be awful!!
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I have already answered the questions, if you dont bother reading them then dont bother asking more questions
 
Silent Blade said:
Wendy season ticket prices are a lot more!!

http://www.swfc.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets/
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Wednesday have, IMO, been very clever with the way they've done this stuff with the season tickets and matchday tickets. They've ignored the (valid) criticisms of their £45 tickets because they knew, once they reached this summer, that they had a plan in mind. My missus has bought a 3-year season ticket there for somewhere between £1200-1300 which equates to just over £400 - it's in the North Stand (opposite the tunnel) so it's a decent view and it's not much different to the price we charge for a season ticket in the South Stand. Hence, with the crazy matchday prices ranging from £20 specials to £45 horror shows, over 20,000 Oinkers have bought season tickets to avoid those prices as well as the inevitable price hike if they make the Premier League. I don't know for sure but I'd guess that a lot of Wednesday fans, if able to afford it, bought that 3-year ticket. Sure, they've copped the flak for the matchday prices but I think the big picture is that they've forced many a fan into buying a season ticket or a 3-year season ticket. Like I say, shrewd.

Issue will be if they fail to go up this season. Without the sustained influx of season ticket monies due to the number who've bought 3-year ones, what happens if they've spent the money? Will Chansiri back it further or will he begin to doubt his investment? If they aren't up by the end of the 17/18 season, they go into a third season with dwindling season ticket money and that could be the point it all breaks down.
 
Silent Blade said:
I have already answered the questions, if you dont bother reading them then dont bother asking more questions
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I've read each post in the thread. It's not really a Q&A with you. You support McCabe which is fair enough. I'm making the point that McCabe's reign - despite him being a Blade (which I don't doubt) - has been an absolute disaster with scatterings of hope and lavishings of mismanagement. He's now 68, doesn't attend games and is past it. He needs to sell.

The truth is a chairman doesn't need to be a 'fan' to bring success. For every Abramovich, there is a Sasha Gaydamek.

But for every Steve Gibson, there's a Kevin McCabe.
 
s10blade said:
I've read each post in the thread. It's not really a Q&A with you. You support McCabe which is fair enough. I'm making the point that McCabe's reign - despite him being a Blade (which I don't doubt) - has been an absolute disaster with scatterings of hope and lavishings of mismanagement. He's now 68, doesn't attend games and is past it. He needs to sell.

The truth is a chairman doesn't need to be a 'fan' to bring success. For every Abramovich, there is a Sasha Gaydamek.

But for every Steve Gibson, there's a Kevin McCabe.
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It is difficult to explain what I think of McCabe. I think he has been a lousy gambler since 2007 but there is no doubt he wants us to get back to the PL. It would amaze me if he would cut his losses and sell it to someone else (whether he is a Blade or not)
 
Sheffsteel said:
He might also demolish the statues of Shaw and Dooley in the car park, saying he's not interested what our traditionalist fans think because his club will look towards the future and don't want reminders of the past.
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To be fair they've only been up a few years so no great loss. They could put them in Endcliffe Park or something
 
coolhandluke said:
That's why he has put a high valuation on the club . It's called being duly diligent . He could of course do a Mr Green though and flog us for a quid to any old Tom dick or harry .

The problem is though , you see a high valuation as McCabe getting his money back .

In reality , there's probably a bit of both involved but it just seems a lot more ' cool ' to say it's KM being a money grabbing thief .
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The notion that McCabe has altruistic reasons to value the club at a multiple of the asset value is laughable, quite frankly.
 
Silent Blade said:
Would you pay £40 like Wendy and L**ds fans are doing so the club will sign big name players and pleasing the players agents?

Higher admission prices doesnt guarantee quality
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I'm not the best person to ask, I live in London so I'm used to paying over the odds.
 
This seems as good a place as any to remind United fans that our Saudi prince bought into Sheffield United as an investment. He's never made a secret of this but our fans seem to want to ignore this point.
His net worth when he took 50% control in the club was around £100 million, a figure that is eclipsed by the amount of revenue a club now gains by being promoted to the premiership.
Just a reminder.
 
PeteBlade said:
Sadly the eras you describe above are so far removed from modern day football they may as well be different sports.
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They arent that far removed from this league and below.
Premiership which I don't watch at all is unrecognisable
 
Silent Blade said:
Our wage bill are triple than those clubs but we keep changing managers (one of the reasons is pressure from fans) which isnt working
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Bollocks, pressure from fans. Utter bollocks.

There was no pressure to sack Clough, he chose to do it.
There were mutterings of discontent when Wilson was sacked but 5 games to go, play offs assured, what was the point in sacking him at that point?
Adkins was booted out, there were never any Adkins out shouts from the stands.

Barnsley were under immense pressure to sack Johnson but because the chairman actually knew what he was doing he ignored them, now look at them.

It helps if your owner understands football, rather than just thinking they know everything and being too arrogant to take advice on board.
 
I've always been of the believe that a foreign owner isn't the way forward for us. They fail as much as they succeed and most of the time in my view your future is never as safe in the hands of a foreign owner than it is in the hands of a British guy and even better local. Of course that's not always the case such as Newcastle. Looking across at Wednesday and I've always said to my mates who are pig fans that its still too early to judge how that will turn out. They clearly decided to go for it in the early stages but already we've seen that their spending has reduced from last season, but that's probably because they already have the majority of their squad in place from last season's spending. The ticket prices are a disaster and Wednesday fans will soon turn on Chansiri if they don't go up and have to continue to pay such high prices. That usually defend him saying stuff like the season ticket price has been frozen and the match day tickets seem to start off expensive but then usually average out to around £30 which isn't as bad as the higher ticket prices that attract attention. However I'm still of the view that the jury is still out on Chansiri and if they lose a few they might sack Carvahal which would be a bad move. That said I'm sure they'll recover and at least make play offs.

As for McCabe I think to be fair he's putting his money in this summer but some will disagree. He must be thinking that we can't keep going on in League One, Wilder needs help in signing more players than we first anticipated.
 
bladeinbolton said:
The notion that McCabe has altruistic reasons to value the club at a multiple of the asset value is laughable, quite frankly.
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Whereas the notion that KM , the money grabbing rapacious conman , keeps a loss making business , pumps millions into it every year to keep it afloat and quite deliberately puts a price on it designed to put anyone off buying it , isn't ?

Ar , oreight :eek:
 
Lane Ender said:
They arent that far removed from this league and below.
Premiership which I don't watch at all is unrecognisable
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I'm sorry but I disagree. The Championship is now like a mini Premier League with those challenging the ones with money and teams spending 11 million on strikers.

It's unrecognisable since we were last there.
 
PeteBlade said:
First hand to you would be you having the conversation rather than this rather chatty Director.

All these "high ups" tend to be very chatty after they've had a few.
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The directors here say things and they always tell the truth though.
 



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