Clearly look like a team 3 or 4 players short

[s10blade]

two lads signed three year deals at Man Utd on their 17th birthday worth 450k over the 3 years plus a tidy boot deal.

both are not even in their dev u21 squad yet.

Our young lads played Charlton last year at 18/21. if you had seen the range of top sports cars these 17/18 year olds were getting into after the match you will know how much money there is a lot of clubs. and that was Charlton.

NIck Cox has spent a lot of time bringing through SUfC youngsters and would not hinder any of them by bringing in so called better players from Man Utd.
MAn UTd youth and dev sides are piss poor At present hence the complete overall in their academy.

but as always Robbie I take all your points and see the sense in them.

Ashley Fletcher at Barnsley wasn't bad last season on loan from Man Utd. Maybe Nick Cox had his priorities wrong?

 

[robbiez666]

two lads signed three year deals at Man Utd on their 17th birthday worth 450k over the 3 years plus a tidy boot deal.

both are not even in their dev u21 squad yet.

Our young lads played Charlton last year at 18/21. if you had seen the range of top sports cars these 17/18 year olds were getting into after the match you will know how much money there is a lot of clubs. and that was Charlton.

NIck Cox has spent a lot of time bringing through SUfC youngsters and would not hinder any of them by bringing in so called better players from Man Utd.
MAn UTd youth and dev sides are piss poor At present hence the complete overall in their academy.

but as always Robbie I take all your points and see the sense in them.

There are several loans to this division already from the big clubs. Premiership clubs are often willing to allow them to go for no contributions whatsoever as their development is much more important than the small change in wages.

Personally, I'd rather try Whiteman than Basham next to Fleck, but the positions we're shot in we don't have anyone coming through from the youth set-up.

 

[larkymasher]

If these young lads are so unaffordable, how do the other clubs in the league manage to sign players on loan every season? Swindon and Peterborough in particular have been propped up for them for years.

From your posts its clear you have a connection to either the academy or someone in it, but I think sometimes you just have to face the fact that the likes of Reed, Whiteman, Semple, Kelly and the others just aren't good enough (yet) to contribute to our first team. If they were, we wouldn't have had two transfer listed players on the bench yesterday.

why having a genuine interest in our academy mean I have a connection to our academy or a certain player?
it's all part of a discussion as to where we can strengthen our squad.

you obviously don't have an affiliation to the academy in that sense and clearly don't watch these players week in week out.

bare in mind it's CW that's bigger up one player in particular not me.

I fully agree other clubs have proper up their squad with loan signings from the premier league but in many cases these players have played a lot of football for there loan club. I just don't think CW can offer any gaurentee of game time to the parent club for said player.

with that in mind to have our own youngsters as back up is an option open to him

 

[larkymasher]

Ashley Fletcher at Barnsley wasn't bad last season on loan from Man Utd. Maybe Nick Cox had his priorities wrong?

to be honest I think last years budget had been used on the players we know we're a pile of shite.
last year I also think Adkins was in charge of what he wanted and Nick Cox did not have a say.

 

[BushBlade]

to be honest I think last years budget had been used on the players we know we're a pile of shite.
last year I also think Adkins was in charge of what he wanted and Nick Cox did not have a say.

What influence did Nick Cox have on first team matters? None.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

What influence did Nick Cox have on first team matters? None.

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding of the comment about getting on the phone to Nick Cox. To clarify. Cox was poached at the back end of last season by Man United so the poster was suggesting we contact him re Man U youths who would be a good fit for us on loan. Not sure if larky got that that's what was meant?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

okay here is a question.

we could have signed Alex Davey as cover and I don't think anyone would have too much to say. Why then is young Semple not adequate cover? he is a better player than Davey without any doubt at all. add to that that CW said in June he was 6 months away from being ready ( November )

a young premiership centre back will cost 3k a week minimum. We should invest that money in other areas which we have no up and coming replacement.

just a thought

I agree we don’t need to bring in a young PL centre back as cover. If we bring in another centre half, it wants to be a first team one better than what we’ve got.

Where I would be looking for a youngster on loan is the left wing position. Wingers can be matchwinners. Look at the pigs getting Marshall and then Antonio on loan to get them up. We need that sort of impetus and I think a PL youth could well be the way to get it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

We've all been saying it, today highlighted it pretty well, it's clear where we're lacking.

We started well but after the first 20 minutes it went downhill and we never looked like scoring. Bolton outnumbered us in midfield, won the battles as you'd expect a team their size to do and we weren't good enough to play through them, weren't fast enough out wide or big/strong enough to threaten from crosses and set pieces. It was like a League One attack vs a Championship defence for most of the match, our limitations were clear.

Long had little to do but still refuses to communicate with his defenders leading to unnecessary pressure. He was lucky not to cost us a goal when he missed a punch. Needs replacing. Promotion won't happen with him as first choice, it's as simple as that.

Fleck did well in midfield but he needs a better player alongside him. At least someone physically OR technically good, Basham isn't quite either.
We also need pace in the team to make better use of Fleck's passing and creativity, we have none. Most of the time he had the ball he worked it over to the left, where we have no one who can go beyond a full back. Done offered nothing out wide as usual. That's one position we definitely need some pace. Duffy's fine on the other side but he's not particularly quick. Thought he looked good at times today, don't think he should've been subbed.

Clarke was disappointing, although that's probably the hardest game he'll have all season. Was never going to win anything in the air, and Beevers gave him nothing (as usual with our strikers, wish we signed him). I do feel he could've worked harder and ran the channels more though.

The defence did quite well, not that they were tested much in open play. They were never going to be against the incredibly negative line up Parkinson put out - two right backs down the right side. Three solid central midfielders. A solid winger. Madine on his own up front. It was screaming 'keep it tight and try and nick it from a set piece'. And that's basically what happened, but with a non scoring midfielder scoring the sort of wondergoal that we always seem to get done by.
Wilson and O'Connell seemed solid enough to confirm that CB is no longer the number one priority. I still want us to sign another CB but today showed that we're more desperate in other areas.

It was far from the disastrous start we had last season though, we were well in the game, should've scored in the first 20 minutes and could've easily got something from it. Bolton are going to be a hard team to beat this season. Not too much can be read into today in terms of our chances this season, especially with the inevitability (I hope) of further signings to be made. It's far from the worst starting point we could've had.

Can’t really argue with any of that. If what Wilder says about Adams’ attitude not being a problem is true. I’d be starting him wide left over Done for now but longer term, I think we desperately need an out and out left winger who, as you say, addresses our lack of pace. I remember Mustapha Carayol being linked last season. I wonder if he’s an option? Wilson did better than I thought and I feel like the CB issue is a little less urgent than I had feared. We had some very good play in the first half between Brayford and Duffy but Brayford really had the wind knocked out of his sails with that injury just before their goal. My main concern is that in the 180 minutes I’ve watched us (against Derby and Bolton) we haven’t had one meaningful shot on goal despite having some proven strikers on the pitch.


I don’t feel as negatively as some do about Long. He made a mistake flapping at one cross but that was countered by an outstanding save to keep us in the game. Ideally I’d have an experienced option as GK as well but saying we can’t get promoted with him in the team is, I think, an exaggeration of his shortcomings. We came within a whisker with Simmonsen in goal who was far worse.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

We haven't got the cash to bring any more players in, chaps. Unless they are freebies, or ditchers from other clubs and we know where that leads us to, don't we?

I really wish people would wake up a bit. Everyone is saying 'we are three or four players short' like there's a fucktonne of cash sat on McCabe's desk ready to blow on ready players who will happily trot down the car park of a team seemingly stuck in division three and has just lost their first game. The buying is over. We can wish all we want, but the marquee signings aren't gonna happen. Adams will go for an undisclosed and the cash will be used to finance the recent uninspiring input.

Just. Like. Before.

pommpey

I have it on good authority from blade too long that the cash is there waiting to be spent and that we will be spending at least another £1.7million on fees for incoming players. More if Adams is sold.

 

[BushBlade]

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding of the comment about getting on the phone to Nick Cox. To clarify. Cox was poached at the back end of last season by Man United so the poster was suggesting we contact him re Man U youths who would be a good fit for us on loan. Not sure if larky got that that's what was meant?

No idea. I'm sure he'll clarify when he's got time.

 

[blade too long]

I have it on good authority from blade too long that the cash is there waiting to be spent and that we will be spending at least another £1.7million on fees for incoming players. More if Adams is sold.

the incoming hasnt finished yet , think weve spent more than 300k by the way,
on the 7 coming in so far

 

[1danewhitehouse]

the incoming hasnt finished yet , think weve spent more than 300k by the way,
on the 7 coming in so far

Well, we agreed for the purpose of the bet that "undisclosed" or "nominal" would be classed as £100k so that's Clarke, O Connell and Hussey. Still £1.7million to go. Can't wait.

 

[blade too long]

Well, we agreed for the purpose of the bet that "undisclosed" or "nominal" would be classed as £100k so that's Clarke, O Connell and Hussey. Still £1.7million to go. Can't wait.

we agreed nearest the middle ground on estimates

 

[larkymasher]

No idea. I'm sure he'll clarify when he's got time.

yes BushBlade got the thread on Nick Cox totally wrong.

it's been a hell of a day so far. I agree 100% he never had any input into first team matters......

 

[1danewhitehouse]

we agreed nearest the middle ground on estimates

and when there is no reported figure, £100k.

 

[larkymasher]

and that Cox is a good source of loan players

 

[Chezzy Blades]

why having a genuine interest in our academy mean I have a connection to our academy or a certain player?
it's all part of a discussion as to where we can strengthen our squad.

you obviously don't have an affiliation to the academy in that sense and clearly don't watch these players week in week out.

bare in mind it's CW that's bigger up one player in particular not me.

I fully agree other clubs have proper up their squad with loan signings from the premier league but in many cases these players have played a lot of football for there loan club. I just don't think CW can offer any gaurentee of game time to the parent club for said player.

with that in mind to have our own youngsters as back up is an option open to him

Apologies if I caused offence, I assumed from your posts that you were connected in some way.

You're right that I don't see them week in week out, I aim to get to 3 or 4 U18's and U21 games per season, work permitting.

Other than Brooks who I think looks as though he's a special talent, none of the other 'older' youngsters look anywhere near being ready to contribute to the first team squad, in my opinion.

 

[larkymasher]

Apologies if I caused offence, I assumed from your posts that you were connected in some way.

You're right that I don't see them week in week out, I aim to get to 3 or 4 U18's and U21 games per season, work permitting.

Other than Brooks who I think looks as though he's a special talent, none of the other 'older' youngsters look anywhere near being ready to contribute to the first team squad, in my opinion.

to be honest after the clear out we only have Kelly, Brooke's and Jake Wright who are older youngsters. Semple is still only 17 as is Gilmoor and Hallam who I do think are going to be good enough.... I kind of take the view that Whiteman and Reed are already in the first team set up.