SUFC vs. Manchester United B

[BladeFisher]

I think they work on a majority vote system so not all clubs will have agreed to it.

I wonder how SUFC voted, can we find out before 'protesting' too much? Of course if we voted for it, would make Wilder's view interesting.

 

[Lane Ender]

Im probably in minority but I dont mind it because these youngsters need the proper games to hopefully improve the ever falling domestic quota in the premier league & hopefully this might get a few more rashfords coming through. also they were coming regardless its better in JPT than League 3

There's is 1 academy team in each group & academy sides has 2 of 3 away so rules are skewed in our favour. Although the big elephant in the room is if chelsea youth team makes Wembley v us are you going to have 40000 Sheffield United fans & no one In other end

& yes someone mentioned the gulf in money & I know the man city team in youth cup has bigger budget than most L1 Teams but dont forget as I always say money & status is worth nothing in lower leagues because if that's the case we wouldn't have come 11th. likes yeovil brentford Burton Bournemouth rotherham would never got promoted

Yea and 1 in 100 get a place in league cup tie or on the bench.
Football at top premier level is a joke

 

[Jonboy60]

Complete joke,the arrogance of these greedy bastards holds no bounds..Why don't they get their kids to improve by playing them in their own first teams..nah,let's get the cannon fodder L1 and L2 teams involved,while we continue to stockpile all the best youngsters..Hopefully they'll be playing in front of empty stands.

Let's hope the cannon fodder L1 & L2 teams, kick fuck out of the little darlings. They won't like it "up em " captain mainwaring

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

It's a joke of a competition anyway, this makes it even more of a tin pot cup. SUFC should either drop out of the competition or failing that play the u18s (and make it free admission to all fans), it'll at least be good practise for our young 'uns.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Simple if we are drawn against a B team then don't attend. That is the only way they will get the message.
They are taking the piss. 1 million pounds from the Premier league is equivalent to me giving a tramp 1p.
It will cost the 16 clubs allowed to enter approximately £60,000, that's about 1 weeks wages for a lot of Premiership players.
I couldn't give a toss about the Premier league and even less about some jumped up 3rd choice players.
All of the above applies even if we got to the Premiership and where one of the 16.

 

[Lawrence]

What a joke. This is the first step to having B Teams in the Football League. I can't believe the Football League clubs have actually agreed to it.

I can! The Football League are the same people who, years ago just rolled over and allowed the Premier League to steel our national game in the first place!

 

[nopigfansintown]

Petition signed! Utterly disgusting...

 

[Revolution]

I wonder how SUFC voted, can we find out before 'protesting' too much? Of course if we voted for it, would make Wilder's view interesting.

It's irrelevant to me how the club voted.

We have many tiers of independent lower league sides. They do not play against reserve sides of bigger teams and are not vassals of those teams. any attempt to attack that should be fought hard by all supporters.

 

[Chali 2na]

You know what annoys me? Why can't the PL teams improve their relationships with local clubs and keep everyone happy. Why can't Man Utd loan their players out to Rochdale and Oldham and have a scout attend the game?

 

[sheepbridge]

Im probably in minority but I dont mind it because these youngsters need the proper games to hopefully improve the ever falling domestic quota in the premier league & hopefully this might get a few more rashfords coming through.

That is the reasoning they will give for entering the league structure in a few years time. Will say this is good and worked wonders but a few games a season against weakened teams in a competition nobody really cares about is not enough.

Most big clubs have youth teams full of foreign players anyway.

 

[1973Blade]

Fortunately next season will be our last one in this competition.

As long as it isn't the season after following two relegations!

 

[Darthblade]

It's funny though - this deep, sorrowful concern expressed just a week or two back for lower division clubs having to play too many games & for fans of those clubs inconveniently having to travel away for night games... & then they go and expand this thoroughly unloved competition, forcing sides into the additional commitment of having to play a 3-game midweek group stage...

Sincerity? What sincerity...

Hidden agendas as usual ....... nothing is ever done for the benefit of football as a whole, or for the benefit of the football league Clubs who make up the majority of the Clubs in England.

Its all done for the benefit of 5 or 6 Premier league clubs as usual ........

Unfortunately; Sky TV was the worst thing ever to happen to football, as the money has corrupted the sport ands left ordinary football fans as a bunch of "do we really need them" problems !!

Sorry ...... rant over ..... I'm not a lover of the PL, Sky, the FA and all of the other arses that have fu**ed up our beautiful game over the last 20 yrs or so ......

UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

Fortunately next season will be our last one in this competition.

Only IF our Board have FINALLY learned from their serial mistakes, misjudgements and glaring errors ........

We will get a good idea over the next four weeks or so .........

UTB & FTP

 

[BladeFisher]

It's irrelevant to me how the club voted.

We have many tiers of independent lower league sides. They do not play against reserve sides of bigger teams and are not vassals of those teams. any attempt to attack that should be fought hard by all supporters.

Oh I totally agree, the point of my post was to find out how we voted because I think the fans should be consulted on something like this. It is the thin end of the wedge which will see the Football League shrink in my view not grow probably into Regional leagues and PL reserve sides playing, as in this experiment. It is totally horrid and the FL should be ashamed of themselves.

What might be a good idea is to have another European competition for the the third and fourth tier of national leagues so the winners of the FLT can go and play in it. It would then give a bit more meaning to the competition. The European Provincial Cup or something. How many would turn up for Swindon Town v Hansa Rostock I don't know but it would make the lower leagues more interesting I think and particularly the FLT.

 

[Champagneblade]

Problem for me is this:

1. What happens when it's Spurs U21 vs Man U U21 in the final? Depriving lower league players of their own chance of glory?

2. The problem of the game and National teams is the mass stockpiling of players by big clubs who could otherwise be favoring game time at teams lower down the pyramid. This should stop. Giving additional exposure just further encourages such greed.

It stinks.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Oh I totally agree, the point of my post was to find out how we voted because I think the fans should be consulted on something like this. It is the thin end of the wedge which will see the Football League shrink in my view not grow probably into Regional leagues and PL reserve sides playing, as in this experiment. It is totally horrid and the FL should be ashamed of themselves.

What might be a good idea is to have another European competition for the the third and fourth tier of national leagues so the winners of the FLT can go and play in it. It would then give a bit more meaning to the competition. The European Provincial Cup or something. How many would turn up for Swindon Town v Hansa Rostock I don't know but it would make the lower leagues more interesting I think and particularly the FLT.

It couldn't happen because nobody would be able to afford it.

 

[GVBlade]

Seriously hope we put out the academy side in any Paint Pot Trophy matches

 

[JohnDenver]

Seriously hope we put out the academy side in any Paint Pot Trophy matches

Unless they change the rules it'll cost us a fine to do so.

I refuse to watch my team play another's reserves. End of chat.

 

[Bladesman]

Bad idea, this is could start a domino effect and lead to B teams being entered into the football league.

The trophy maybe shite but if its not working then scrap but don't start putting PL academy teams in it. If Man Utd want to improve their youngsters they can stick to loaning them out.

I have signed the petition and I hope our club were against this.

 

[IMABLADE]

Pull out, in protest

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

Seriously hope we put out the academy side in any Paint Pot Trophy matches

I don't - I hope we put out a team of 6 year olds and make a mockery of the whole thing. I'll even pay the fine myself.

It's how much? Oh. Right, scrap the last bit, the prince can pay it...

 

[Bladesman]

The Premier League is also understood to have provided £1m to create a total prize fund of £1.95m

How very generous of the cash strapped Premier League to provide such a huge sum of money.

In the world of football that prize money is the equivalent of a £100, a bag of nuts and a copy of Razzle.

We could win more money from a scratchcard than waste our time playing against Premier League academies.

 

[South London Blade]

I hope we put out a team of 6 year olds and make a mockery of the whole thing.

That's a great idea, wonder if we could get a groundswell of support for it?

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

That's a great idea, wonder if we could get a groundswell of support for it?

To be honest, the club aren't going to set out to humiliate the Football League, of which they are a member. Any demonstration of dissatisfaction needs to be something which can be done purely by fans.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

To be honest, the club aren't going to set out to humiliate the Football League, of which they are a member. Any demonstration of dissatisfaction needs to be something which can be done purely by fans.

Especially bearing in mind that United almost certainly voted in favour of the proposals. It's been alleged that the voting threshold had to be reduced on the day (from the usual 90% to a more amenable 75%) to enable the proposal to go through after very vocal opposition. Even so, the great majority voted in favour, including all of the "bigger clubs" I'd wager.

Any thought that United, as a club, will be in some way "disrespecting" the competition (by, say, playing the u18 side) is pie in the sky.

Opposition will necessarily have to come from fans: Third and Fourth Division clubs are by & large willingly dictated to by the premier league clubs. The exceptions to the rule, of course, being led by the supporter-run clubs like Wimbledon and Portsmouth.

 

[Revolution]

Especially bearing in mind that United almost certainly voted in favour of the proposals. It's been alleged that the voting threshold had to be reduced on the day (from the usual 90% to a more amenable 75%) to enable the proposal to go through after very vocal opposition. Even so, the great majority voted in favour, including all of the "bigger clubs" I'd wager.

Any thought that United, as a club, will be in some way "disrespecting" the competition (by, say, playing the u18 side) is pie in the sky.

Opposition will necessarily have to come from fans: Third and Fourth Division clubs are by & large willingly dictated to by the premier league clubs. The exceptions to the rule, of course, being led by the supporter-run clubs like Wimbledon and Portsmouth.

The thing is that this is against the interests of all the clubs who had a vote.

There are reserve sides in the German third tier and below. Did the football league look at their crowds of the crowds teams get when they play them? I bet they didn't.

The average crowd in the 3rd league in Germany last year was 7,000. The bottom 3 in attendance all averaged 1100 or less. They were, of course, the three reserve teams. No one wants to watch them!

 

[TJB.]

Pull out, in protest

Not after last time. She said it was an awful way to make a point and I slept on the sofa for a week.

 

[Dnblade]

Especially bearing in mind that United almost certainly voted in favour of the proposals. It's been alleged that the voting threshold had to be reduced on the day (from the usual 90% to a more amenable 75%) to enable the proposal to go through after very vocal opposition. Even so, the great majority voted in favour, including all of the "bigger clubs" I'd wager.

Any thought that United, as a club, will be in some way "disrespecting" the competition (by, say, playing the u18 side) is pie in the sky.

Opposition will necessarily have to come from fans: Third and Fourth Division clubs are by & large willingly dictated to by the premier league clubs. The exceptions to the rule, of course, being led by the supporter-run clubs like Wimbledon and Portsmouth.

The whole thing stinks..Moving the goalposts to get their own way again,and dangling a bit of small change.
Why they are allowed to stockpile all these players in the first place,it doesn't seem right to me.These players would and should be playing at other clubs up and down the pyramid..Why do Chelsea need 82 players on their books?..it's a joke,and worrying that Clubs are'nt telling them to do one,and allowing them to what they like.

 

[TJB.]

Why do Chelsea need 82 players on their books?

That's a point, actually. Why are clubs with a shitload of cash allowed to have as big a squad as they like? Or why are clubs like ourselves allowed to accumulate 40+ professionals on the books? Should there be a limit or should everyone be allowed as many players as they wish?

 

[Damski]

Not read the whole thread but this is an awful idea and I won't be attending games in this competition if this ends up happening. It is the antithesis of everything that's right in football.