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Once the manager starts criticising the paying customers, the fans, it's difficult to survive for too long.

The atmosphere he spoke of is endemic of the fact we have underachieved for so long, not that we are somehow different to any other fans.

Those that brought even modest success were well supported.

Bassett brought us exciting football. Even after relegation fans were not harsh to him.

Warnock always had a few fans to contend with but he was often contraversial and self promoting so I think part of this was down to his personality and imflammatory comments e.g. Meadowhall. Him being one of us marks him out as the only one to get away with criticising the fans.

Robson moaned about the fans saying it was his Man U past they could not accept omitting the fact his expensively assembled squad was in the bottom half of the table. He was gone not long after.

Blackwell served up a lot of poor football but didn't really face outright open hostility.

Despite his modest points per game, Speed was not really too heavily criticised.

Adams was never got after despite relegation because people saw he failed to turn around a poor situation. There was no animosity though.

It is true we have become less patient in League One. But so we should. Before this stint we'd spent I think 4 seasons at lower than second tier. We're now onto season six.

Wilson started to get stick as he was taking us slowly out of the play offs on the trajectory at the time playing negative football in the third tier.

Weir was out of his depth like a little boy lost.

Clough never got to grips with the Club's size, constantly suggesting minor progress to be acceptable. His own arrogance did for him but he didn't really encounter Clough out chants.

Which brings us to Adkins. Pretty much got nothing right. Then points out fans were critical on the opening and closing days. A shame the reporter didn't allude to the fact one was a 4-0 drubbing after he'd had all preseason to put a team together and the other a tame 2-0 surrender against another football minnow.

Fact is, once you turn on the fans you're a goner unless you've got some stock in the bank and for Adkins the locker is empty.

For me now it's a question of when he goes this week not if. Not much coming back from that interview. He's burnt his bridges. If the Prince wanted the axe and McCabe didn't them yesterday's interview and team selection has surely done for him.

Once you lose the fans, you're beyond the point of no return.
 



Once the manager starts criticising the paying customers, the fans, it's difficult to survive for too long.

The atmosphere he spoke of is endemic of the fact we have underachieved for so long, not that we are somehow different to any other fans.

Those that brought even modest success were well supported.

Bassett brought us exciting football. Even after relegation fans were not harsh to him.

Warnock always had a few fans to contend with but he was often contraversial and self promoting so I think part of this was down to his personality and imflammatory comments e.g. Meadowhall. Him being one of us marks him out as the only one to get away with criticising the fans.

Robson moaned about the fans saying it was his Man U past they could not accept omitting the fact his expensively assembled squad was in the bottom half of the table. He was gone not long after.

Blackwell served up a lot of poor football but didn't really face outright open hostility.

Despite his modest points per game, Speed was not really too heavily criticised.

Adams was never got after despite relegation because people saw he failed to turn around a poor situation. There was no animosity though.

It is true we have become less patient in League One. But so we should. Before this stint we'd spent I think 4 seasons at lower than second tier. We're now onto season six.

Wilson started to get stick as he was taking us slowly out of the play offs on the trajectory at the time playing negative football in the third tier.

Weir was out of his depth like a little boy lost.

Clough never got to grips with the Club's size, constantly suggesting minor progress to be acceptable. His own arrogance did for him but he didn't really encounter Clough out chants.

Which brings us to Adkins. Pretty much got nothing right. Then points out fans were critical on the opening and closing days. A shame the reporter didn't allude to the fact one was a 4-0 drubbing after he'd had all preseason to put a team together and the other a tame 2-0 surrender against another football minnow.

Fact is, once you turn on the fans you're a goner unless you've got some stock in the bank and for Adkins the locker is empty.

For me now it's a question of when he goes this week not if. Not much coming back from that interview. He's burnt his bridges. If the Prince wanted the axe and McCabe didn't them yesterday's interview and team selection has surely done for him.

Once you lose the fans, you're beyond the point of no return.

Agree 100%.

Ironically most of the fans were still behind him up until the southend game, even now fans still are blaming the players and bored ahead of him, Yet he says what he did today about the fans.

No going back for me. Get rid and do whatever it takes to get Wilder.
 
Agree 100%.

Ironically most of the fans were still behind him up until the southend game, even now fans still are blaming the players and bored ahead of him, Yet he says what he did today about the fans.

No going back for me. Get rid and do whatever it takes to get Wilder.

Adkins must have more faces than the town hall clock. Hasn't he gone out of his way to praise fans after most of the games.? What a turn around.
 
Adkins must have more faces than the town hall clock. Hasn't he gone out of his way to praise fans after most of the games.? What a turn around.

It's because he's one of those people who always blames someone else, he can't possibly be in the wrong he's "endevoured" all season....IF he had held his hands up in that interview and accepted some of the responsibility, apologised and promised that they will get it right then by showing a bit if humility it would have gone a long way...
 
That interview was his chance to get some fans back on side if he showed some honesty but instead he comes out with the same old waffle and then slags off the fans to boot. He has signed his own death warrant with that diabolical interview, there is no way he can be kept on now
 
Or he's just orchestrating his own sacking, so as to not lose out on any payments. If he walks, he gets nothing.
 
I think the difference is that the season has finished. The pressure will not increase, no chance of fan protests etc.

It's up to the board now to decide if they think he is the man to take us forward. If they say he is, it's all about the start to next season. A good start and no one will care what he said yesterday.
 
Adkins must have more faces than the town hall clock. Hasn't he gone out of his way to praise fans after most of the games.? What a turn around.

Adkins from day one has been a man full of contradictions. How many times yesterday did we have Gary Sinclair telling us that the players and management wanted to show their appreciation to the amazing support home and away. Then as soon as he's back in the dressing room he wants to criticise those very same people.

Roberto Martinez's job is under threat for Everton's inconsistency. Well from the 0-4 defeat at Gillingham to yesterday's home defeat to Scunthorpe and all that sandwiched in between Adkins can never be accused of being inconsistent. That may be a straw he can cling to.
 
Once the manager starts criticising the paying customers, the fans, it's difficult to survive for too long.

The atmosphere he spoke of is endemic of the fact we have underachieved for so long, not that we are somehow different to any other fans.

Those that brought even modest success were well supported.

Bassett brought us exciting football. Even after relegation fans were not harsh to him.

Warnock always had a few fans to contend with but he was often contraversial and self promoting so I think part of this was down to his personality and imflammatory comments e.g. Meadowhall. Him being one of us marks him out as the only one to get away with criticising the fans.

Robson moaned about the fans saying it was his Man U past they could not accept omitting the fact his expensively assembled squad was in the bottom half of the table. He was gone not long after.

Blackwell served up a lot of poor football but didn't really face outright open hostility.

Despite his modest points per game, Speed was not really too heavily criticised.

Adams was never got after despite relegation because people saw he failed to turn around a poor situation. There was no animosity though.

It is true we have become less patient in League One. But so we should. Before this stint we'd spent I think 4 seasons at lower than second tier. We're now onto season six.

Wilson started to get stick as he was taking us slowly out of the play offs on the trajectory at the time playing negative football in the third tier.

Weir was out of his depth like a little boy lost.

Clough never got to grips with the Club's size, constantly suggesting minor progress to be acceptable. His own arrogance did for him but he didn't really encounter Clough out chants.

Which brings us to Adkins. Pretty much got nothing right. Then points out fans were critical on the opening and closing days. A shame the reporter didn't allude to the fact one was a 4-0 drubbing after he'd had all preseason to put a team together and the other a tame 2-0 surrender against another football minnow.

Fact is, once you turn on the fans you're a goner unless you've got some stock in the bank and for Adkins the locker is empty.

For me now it's a question of when he goes this week not if. Not much coming back from that interview. He's burnt his bridges. If the Prince wanted the axe and McCabe didn't them yesterday's interview and team selection has surely done for him.

Once you lose the fans, you're beyond the point of no return.

As much as I'm inclined to agree with you about criticising the fans, if we start next season with 2 wins everything will be forgotten and forgiven.

I don't think it's point of no return at all.

Although he's made it much harder for himself next year with the non performance this year.

But broadly I do agree, once you start going after the fans, you're on a slippery slope.
 
Perfectly OK for the fans to lambast the players and manager at every available opportunity.

But when a portion gets dished back our way ..........

Double standards ????

UTB
 
When asked about fans booing what can he say?

'Yeah,we love it'
It's just same old lines that all managers come with here...'big crowd', 'pressure', 'understand the frustration' etc etc...

Mane these comments were a bit more pointed...but I think the digs at the board about not being able to bring in players/having to offload '25' were far more telling.
 



The situation's got Blacky-QPR written all over it.

Adkins has used up all his good win & there's no margin for error any more - start badly next season & it'll not just be a shitstorm it'll be a faecal tsunami(??!!).

Unless the board have a hell of lot of confidence in the fabled work behind the scenes that he's meant to be doing, surely best for a fresh start with fresh preparation & squad construction, rather than the very real prospect of locking a new man into Plan Adkins after 2 or 3 games of a new season?
 

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