Houston_Blade
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In what way?Yours would've been similar in 2019.
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In what way?Yours would've been similar in 2019.
But it wasnt. How do we know? We didn't have an investigation or points deduction.Yeah. Not saying that it means we shouldve spent what we have. But it shows something about the disparity for teams coming up.
Yours would've been similar in 2019.
True,West Ham got away with illegally accumulated players without even a points deduction in 2007,they should have been relegated.Breaching FFP is just another way of illegally accumulated players when others are playing by the rules.But it wasnt. How do we know? We didn't have an investigation or points deduction.
All this has shown is... take a massive 500m loan, spend it all on a squad and take a 4/6 point deduction in 3 years time when you're comfortable in mid table.
It's an absolute joke.
Anyone caught cheating should just get automatic relegation. That's the only way to stop clubs doing it.
I was just meaning that back then you probably came up with a squad that was assembled for a lot less than most of the other teams in the league.But it wasnt. How do we know? We didn't have an investigation or points deduction.
All this has shown is... take a massive 500m loan, spend it all on a squad and take a 4/6 point deduction in 3 years time when you're comfortable in mid table.
It's an absolute joke.
Anyone caught cheating should just get automatic relegation. That's the only way to stop clubs doing it.
On June 30th, 2019 our squad had cost around £9m. Nearly half of that was on John Egan (£4m) with a futher £2m on Oli Norwood. The only other players to have cost us anything were Lundstram (£700k), Stearman (£600k), Sharp (£500k), O'Connell (£400k), Moore (£250k), Baldock (£250k), Lavery (£100k) and Clarke (£50k). During the season we'd sold Leonard and Evans for a profit of over £1m between them.I was just meaning that back then you probably came up with a squad that was assembled for a lot less than most of the other teams in the league.
It is a bit of a conundrum in the wider sense for Premier league and the rules change for next season anyway.
Personally i reckon the reduction of 6 to 4 and the leniency point is directly linked to the stuff Shay Given is ralking about. Take the 4 points so it can be done before the end of the season.
take a massive 500m loan
Sounds good in theory but isn't going to happen. It would need 14 clubs to agree to it, plus there could be a situation very soon where quite a large number of clubs could fail PSR, including Villa, Wolves, Newcastle, Chelsea, Forest, Everton and a few others. No way are all those clubs being relegated.Zero tolerance is the only way forward. You overspend, you're down.
It's the ultimate deterrent and would scare the shit out of any team thinking about cheating, which is what Forest have done in this period and, what they really are. Cheats.
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On June 30th, 2019 our squad had cost around £9m. Nearly half of that was on John Egan (£4m) with a futher £2m on Oli Norwood. The only other players to have cost us anything were Lundstram (£700k), Stearman (£600k), Sharp (£500k), O'Connell (£400k), Moore (£250k), Baldock (£250k), Lavery (£100k) and Clarke (£50k). During the season we'd sold Leonard and Evans for a profit of over £1m between them.
The fans of teams that should be most upset are Leicester and Leeds. If Forest and Everton had obeyed the rules theyd almost certainly have stayed up last season.
There really is no easy answer to it though. As has been said many times, promoted clubs now have to spend a huge amount to even have a chance of surviving meaning they will break PSR and so get a points deduction sometime in the future. Seemingly now a measly one that does not offset the benefit of purchasing the players but does mean you get the many millions for remaining in the Premier League.
PSR was meant to protect clubs from overspeanding, but it's really protecting the 'big' teams for challenges for other clubs who might have very rich owners but not the resources and infrastructure to stay with PSR whilst trying to challenge.
Even Villa and Newcastle are about to fail to meet it supposedly, which why Archer was 'sold'.
I'm starting to think we do away with PSR and just let clubs spend what they want. It could put badly run clubs in trouble, but those clubs will probably ignore the rules and be in trouble anyway, and it would also allow countries to buy a club and just spend huge amounts so distorting the market but the current model just ensures the status quo and that promoted teams will really struggle.
The current model of English football is fundamentally broken and I can't see a solution tbh. Impose spending restrictions and clubs will break them, especially if weak punishments whilst effectively keeping the status quo in the league and giving promoted teams a massive disadvantage, don't impose any and clubs with either put themselves in trouble or clubs like City and Newcastle will spend amounts that make the gap at the top even wider and inflate player prices and wages.
On June 30th, 2019 our squad had cost around £9m. Nearly half of that was on John Egan (£4m) with a futher £2m on Oli Norwood. The only other players to have cost us anything were Lundstram (£700k), Stearman (£600k), Sharp (£500k), O'Connell (£400k), Moore (£250k), Baldock (£250k), Lavery (£100k) and Clarke (£50k). During the season we'd sold Leonard and Evans for a profit of over £1m between them.
Yeah and look at their position in the league.this is almost rewarding cheating
23/24 £131m spent on 17 players (net spend £50m)
22/23 £195m, 29 players (£190m net)
21/22 £7m, 17 players (£6m net)
So in last 3 years they’ve seen 63 new faces, with a net spend of £327m for only 4 points
I like to take the moral high ground, but if a rich owner comes in and says yeah fuck it, huge squad overhaul, daft wages, spunkin £300+m and they want to dock me 4 measly points in 3 years time?
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Egan was "a club record deal". Given that our record before was Beattie for £4m it's safe to assume that Egan was slightly above that.It was even more stark. Egan was 3.5 million and Norwood 1.2 million (both prices revealed by CW).
Going over financial fair play limits is essentially a club playing with ineligible player(s) for at least part of the season
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