Wrexham 5 United 3 - report/ratings

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A few things Cooper needs paying off hes done, something has happened and the form isn't coming back, get shut before he does more damage.

Play offs aren't on get planning for next season pay off them.two wage thieves Davies and Shackleton and get rid of statue Adam Davies as well.

Fitness - if we are stuck with Wilder we need to sort this out its been an issue for 5 years now we are the unfittest team by some margin players fucked after 60 minutes frequently.

Hamer and Arblaster played absolutely shit yesterday they need dropping as them performances are unacceptable.

Lastly we need our finger out in the transfer window not fucking about all month to bring in cunts like tom Davies or Shackleton equivalents that no fucker else wants.

Stoke will piss all over us Monday so may as well rest some players for the two home games.
 



Manager: Wilder 2/10 – Gets a few marks for the way we attacked early on but that is generous he even gets 2/10! He cannot keep blaming the players. We keep seeing the same thing, where we throw away games and cannot keep leads. He does not amend the shape, tactics and seems unable to get his messages across at half time. He is supposed to be a top motivator and gets the best out of players but not sure that is happening really? Man for man we should not be getting outplayed by Wrexham at all but individually and collectively they were better. Parkinson knew our weaknesses from crosses and down the sides – getting it forward quickly and despite seeing they had issues at the back, we were unable to exploit them, liked they did against us. The changes made us even worse. He should have made tactical and shape changes at the break when you could see they were on top but once again, he did nothing and the result was rather predictable. He keeps talking about how he will not allow such things but it keeps happening – maybe they are not able to follow his instructions and/or maybe they are not taking on board what he is wanting? Structurally after the half oif games we look a total mess and teams get it forward, we lack the running power to get back and they create lots of chances. In terms of the side, 8 of the 11 and 4 of the 5 subs are his players so not buying all this – it’s Selles players too. Credit for him for the recent upturn and we have been far better than the mess of the start of the season but the performances at WBA and Wrexham have been totally unacceptable. The old mantra we have of ‘out run, out fight, and out work’ is happening for our opponents too often. I worry long term what the plan is under him and the new owners. I still think we won’t go down – but we are still in big trouble – but not sure what I see that makes me thing tactically we can improve under him and the coaching staff? We will have less money and bring in probably weaker players with a lesser budget so the emphasis is going to be more on coaching and tactics to get the best out of players (motivation) but at the moment I am concerned those things he was so good at, he is struggling with now.
Wembley Wilder strikes again. Bottled it. As soon as we have a lead we hardly get out of our last third. Let them, Preston, WBA et al just come at us and hope to survive.
Can see Bamford, Hamer and Seriki off in JTW replaced with the likes of Clarke, Wileresk type players. Games moved on a lot since Wilder1, unfortunately he hasn’t
 
'Much earlier' is a bit of an understatement. I thought it was quite obvious that changes were needed half time.

It was clear we were strong enough in the air and were weren't getting getting close enough to their wide players.

The fact that the manager didn't adapt and change tactics/personnel at the break was bordering on incompetence

I don't get what the Burrows subbing was all about. Sure, Chong was not making any impact whatsoever, and I thought Brooks would have made more sense. Shift Hamer or O'Hare in behind Bamford/Campbell and go from

---------------------------Cooper-------------------------

Seriki-------Bindon------------Tanganga--------McCallum

--------------Reiderweld------Arblaster--------------------

--------Chong-----------O'Hare--------Hamer-------------

-------------------------Bamford----------------------------

to


---------------------------Cooper--------------------------

Seriki-------------Bindon--------Tanganga-------McCallum

Brooks--------Reiderweld-------Arblaster-------O'Hare/Hamer

-----------------------Hamer/O'Hare--------------------------

-----------------------Campbell/Bamford---------------------

We were painfully short of width high up last night unless it came from the full backs. Both Hamer and Chong aren't clever or mobile enough to play wingers. Hamer is a pass-maker, no ide what Chong is. Every time I saw him out wide he ran out of ideas and support and coughed up possession.
 
I don't get what the Burrows subbing was all about. Sure, Chong was not making any impact whatsoever, and I thought Brooks would have made more sense. Shift Hamer or O'Hare in behind Bamford/Campbell and go from

---------------------------Cooper-------------------------

Seriki-------Bindon------------Tanganga--------McCallum

--------------Reiderweld------Arblaster--------------------

--------Chong-----------O'Hare--------Hamer-------------

-------------------------Bamford----------------------------

to


---------------------------Cooper--------------------------

Seriki-------------Bindon--------Tanganga-------McCallum

Brooks--------Reiderweld-------Arblaster-------O'Hare/Hamer

-----------------------Hamer/O'Hare--------------------------

-----------------------Campbell/Bamford---------------------

We were painfully short of width high up last night unless it came from the full backs. Both Hamer and Chong aren't clever or mobile enough to play wingers. Hamer is a pass-maker, no ide what Chong is. Every time I saw him out wide he ran out of ideas and support and coughed up possession.
There were various options that could have been done at half time.

. CW could even have gone 3-5-2, Mcguiness for Arblaster (who is struggling) to cope with Moore and a striker on on for Hamer(or bring Brooks on and push O'hare through the middle to support Bamford). We would then have been to push on their wing backs and occupied their defence.

Wilder decided to do nothing
 
I just do not rate Chong at all. I do not see what he contributes. Two empty spaces where ( a fat, lumbering) Hamer ought to have been - and Chong ought to have been. Both should been withdrawn at half time. What Hamer gets away with is staggering.
Don’t think it’s a coincidence that our results have gone patchy again since the re-introduction of Hamer. Yes he can change games in a flash but I just don’t see him as a team player - plus he offers no protection to his full back. God only knows why Brooks gets jettisoned too, he’s miles better than Chong, and works very well in combo with Seriki and gives better protection. I hope it’s easily explainable by fitness / illness but I fear it isn’t 😟
 
There were various options that could have been done at half time.

. CW could even have gone 3-5-2, Mcguiness for Arblaster (who is struggling) to cope with Moore and a striker on on for Hamer(or bring Brooks on and push O'hare through the middle to support Bamford). We would then have been to push on their wing backs and occupied their defence.

Wilder decided to do nothing

I have sympathy in that the options on the bench are horrendous but it was obvious something needed to change at HT. I thought he'd bring McGuiness on and match their 3 up front with 3 CBs but he waited till we conceded then put McCallum at LCB for a bit. Really odd

That said, I don't think McGuiness would have changed anything because he's awful
 
Leicester, Preston. Coventry, West Brom and now Wrexham the second half fall off is alarming. All games under the current manager. In four of the five games the opposition manager changed tactics and we couldn't cope. Today Wrexham didnt need to they just played the same way all game and we failed miserably to deal with it. So those putting it all at Selles door are just looking for excuses. At half time everyone could see Wrexham had control of the middle and were exposing our full backs due to the fact Chong and Hamer were giving them no protection. What does the manager do nothing until we concede our customary goal 10 minutes into the second half. At 3-3 we are still in the game and you wait for the tactical switch minimum Chong off for Brooks. Yet we put a left back at LCB into a three and he McCallum gets progressively worse from that point onwards. I can only surmise CW is missing Jackie long throw so much he's desperate to repeat his mistake of the last 2 years in playing a left back at centre half. Game was lost at that point.

Score bit harsh on Seriki. He was very good first half but had no protection in front if him. Would have given him a point more for the quality of the crosses for the first two goals. Agree only Bamford and COH were the others to come out with any credit. The Bindon experiment failed miserably today. Can we play Ben Mee next game with his arm in a sling!

Arblaster and Jairo were two of the poorest players on the pitch. One is no where near fit the other seems to be carrying an injury. They got no help from Hamer who just strolled through the game. Chong instead of Brooks was just baffling.

To be out coached by a dinosaur like Parkinson confirmed there is a serious problem on the touchline. They seem incapable of stemming the tide. The inability to change tactics and substitutions lost us a game again today from a winning position. We are now back in a relegation battle and you wonder who will want to come in the JTW to a team so lacking in desire and bereft of ideas when the pressure is on.
You've pretty much summed up my thoughts, it was obvious after twenty minutes that Seriki was struggling so why not bring on Brookes to help him out, same on the other flank McCallum was struggling with nobody helping him, is Harmer, Arblaster? I agree that we need to be looking at the goalkeeping situation, and the need for a brute of a centre back,
More creativity in midfield, I know Arblaster saved two on the line but his overall contribution was no more than Chongs you coul go on but we need to start another overalling of the team starting in January!
 
Not disagreeing with DB and others on here but to be fair to Wilder when making subs or picking the team he is somewhat hamstrung by players available. Defence: Bindon and McGuinness were recruited before he returned and Mee is injured. McGuiness has been poor but maybe knowing the expected aerial bombardment he would have been a better choice for this game. Midfield: Peck is injured Blaster clearly not upto speed yet and wouldn't be playing 90 mins but would be fazed in but who else is there. DM: Reidewald played v WBA but was ill, was he fully fit last night? Only other alternative is Soumare who was Vini replacement recruited by owners/Selles who is completely out of depth and shows no sign of growing into roll: Forwards: Moore sold before Wilder arrived. Made it clear in post match had he been here he would not have sold. He in herited Ings (I think)and scratched round to bring in Bamford to play the Moore role.
 
United – We have seen flashes in recent weeks of some real swashbuckling forward play and we have started creating and scoring goals but more importantly we have been able to keep some clean sheets and look more solid defensively. However, even in this run we have seen games and moments where we have buckled (Leicester, Norwich, and WBA) and the same weak mentality and 2nd half implosions have continued. Tonight was an odd game. We led 3-1 but I think Wrexham had been slightly the better side at this point – we just scored some good goals on the break and exploited their poor defending. We looked like scoring every time we attacked. Sadly, so did they and the way we conceded so quickly after the first and third, said a lot about the lack of leadership and brains in our side. We never kept the ball all game really – other than the pockets of play for the goals first half. We seemed to just turn it over so easily. A lot will be made about individuals at the back and all of the back 5 did not have good games defensively but I do think in front of them we had no protection or control. Wrexham were more physical and got a lot of crosses in and scored from 3 of them but they also played through us a fair bit. We never stopped the ball to source. I might be criticised for this but thought Riedewald and Arblaster were dreadful – they rarely won a tackle/header or challenge all game and for all the mistakes that McCallum, Bindon and Cooper made – I thought that they were given no protection. We never had control of the game – even at 3-1. It is so frustrating, as we played some neat and clever football in the first half hour and scored three decent goals but looked like shipping goals the other way as easy.



The way Moore ragged the defence around was predictable but the other areas we should and could have changed. The full backs had no protection at all and meant they kept overloading down these sides. I also thought that they worked out the balls into the channel and get our slow centre backs turned and then got men around it. We had moments 2nd half (Hamer/Arblaster shot/Campbell at the end) but they had 2 or 3 off the line – had numerous other moments where they nearly got in and genuinely looked like they might score from every attack – particularly after the break. The changes did not help but even long before this – the flow of the game had been set. I am not sure what he does in midfield as Soumare is dreadful. Hamer should have come off for me as he was offering nothing but he won’t take him or Arblaster off seemingly – even though they were two of our worst players? Brooks seems to have been thrown out again after some good performances and we ended up with a Phil Parkinson side completely out coaching us. It was not just about crosses and power despite the obvious Wrexham narrative. They did score goals from these areas but they also played better football than us and kept the ball far better. Wilder seems incapable of changing when teams have advantages and just throws on a striker or winger. We never seem to change shape to combat things and an ordinary Wrexham side put us to the sword. To go from 3-1 up at relatively limited side and lose 5-3 is embarrassing but shows where we are at – nowhere near a playoff side and still in a fair bit of trouble. We have seen some shoots of positivity of course in recent games (Stoke and Brum the main two) but the same weaknesses remain sadly. I would worry if this team is in a relegation battle come the business end as they have the hear of a pea most of them. Players who have been better recently – Bindon and McCallum- were awful and Cooper continues to struggle but for all the errors will discuss in ratings – the lack of control we have over games is an even bigger issue.



We have no legs in midfield (we did not have them with Peck – so even more shown up now) and the lack of height in here means we lost most things aerially too. With Hamer a luxury player, it means that we are often outnumbered and outran in here and simply do not see enough of the ball. When we have it we throw it away. Bamford, O’Hare and Seriki did well first half but the second half I think every single one of the eleven/subs lost their battles and seemed to have no intensity or running power. We looked done again after about 35 minutes. This must be changed – whether it is individuals playing or from the fitness department. We cannot keep our pressing and intensity up for more than like 20 minutes in games. So, if teams move it forward quickly, swarm around the ball and drop on loose bits, we fall apart. The players looked incapable of changing it and with the coaching staff also having the same inertia, it meant as soon as they made it 3-3, we knew what would happen. A good manager surely changes it there and then and we have a different shape to stop the ball coming at us. The fourth goal comes with 15 minutes left but he is essentially one on one? That shows the issues with the shape and lack of control we have in games.



The stats of the game at the end are massively lopsided for them – chances, touches in the box, dules won, passes completed. 5-3 actually flattered us in the end but I suppose after leading 3-1 and having chances, you can argue we deserved to score 3 goals but they could have had even more. They were more powerful, determined, quicker and more purposeful much of the game. 2 or 3 neat moves and decent goals cover us a largely woeful performance and we were well beaten even if they did have to turn it around and scored fairly late on.



I think we have seen enough of this group (under Selles and Wilder) to suggest they are not a side of winners and when the going gets tough, we implode. It is a shame as they is some talent and some experience that should do better but too many players are way too inconsistent too and means we can play well one week and then play like we did tonight and at WBA. Wilder can keep saying he will change things but he will have to change an awful lot -with limited funds to get the side to have a different mentality. He also had to look at some of his own coaching and question why almost every game we get worse after half time? Tonight was as bad as West Brom in many ways – as we had the game won really (but the reality is we never looked like we were comfortable and that sums it up). A lot of players seemed to be looking round at others by full time. They do not seem particularly together as a group and when we concede, we just fall apart. People may say it is only one game but after WBA the other week and many of the game we saw both under Selles/Wilder, tonight has been more the norm than the Stoke/Brum wins, which look more like the exception. This is the 2nd time we have conceded five goals in a game this season. I do not think it will be last sadly.
Not sure = 7.
 
I have sympathy in that the options on the bench are horrendous but it was obvious something needed to change at HT. I thought he'd bring McGuiness on and match their 3 up front with 3 CBs but he waited till we conceded then put McCallum at LCB for a bit. Really odd

That said, I don't think McGuiness would have changed anything because he's awful
Yes, it was messy after the substitutions, but I think we switched to a back five when Burrows came on. Then after more changes it was 5-3-1-1 as shown here:

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There were various options that could have been done at half time.

. CW could even have gone 3-5-2, Mcguiness for Arblaster (who is struggling) to cope with Moore and a striker on on for Hamer(or bring Brooks on and push O'hare through the middle to support Bamford). We would then have been to push on their wing backs and occupied their defence.

Wilder decided to do nothing
McGuinees shd have been on from the start to combat Moores height. Moore would not have had the free header for his goal with McGuiness on the pitch and if we arent going to play him when the oppo has a massive CF we need to get shut of him in January as that is all hes good for.

Having not started him we were saying he has to come on at HT. We were leading and Chong and Hamer were doing f all. Changing it to Tanganga McGuiness Bindon as a back 3 with Seriki and McCallum at wing backs would have closed the door on their wide players and we could have shut up shop. Instead we went on to concede 4 goals.
 

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