Worst United Team Ever - Anyone Disagree?

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Having seen the wonders of 80-81 in action, I think the current lot are quite a bit worse. The 80-81 team were essentially a reasonable mid table 3rd division team, who were relegated rather freakishly (the equivalent of 54 points, a positive goal difference and never in the relegation zone until the last 5 minutes of the season).

This lot have been stuck in and around the relegation places for over 2 months no and show no sign of getting out of them.

So, in my view, in November 2013, we have the privilege of viewing the worst team in the club's 124 year history. Anyone disagree?
 

No, Saturday was yet another abject display. I can see us being comfortably relegated with games to spare at this rate.

people talk about the jtw, i fear it will be to late as we are already well and truly locked into a relegation fight.
 
Racy said:
I disagree the 80-81 was shocking

When Clough gets things sorted we will climb this league give him a bit of time.
The old 3rd div was just a cloggers league there's some decent teams who play football in this
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There were reasonable 2nd/3rd tier players in the 80-81 team - Kenworthy, Ryan, Trusson, McPhail, Hatton, Matthews even (say it quitely) Givens. You would hard put to say the same about this lot.
 
A couple of weeks ago me and a mate were saying it's only October, we could go on a run now, however as the matches slip by it looks like it was beer and reading too much into getting 3 points.

My biggest fear is the heart, spirit and fight isn't there. As someone said a couple of seasons ago its like watching your dog die slowly, I fear the drop.
 
The squad is an unbalanced mess, riddled with failures. This is the worst team we've ever had by some distance in my view and yet 17,000 still show up and watch them, it's staggering loyalty on the fans part.

Clough's aim this season is simply to avoid relegation, and he has a job on to do that in my view despite L1 being chock full of shite. I get the impression that he is keeping his own council as much as possible, but I imagine he is aghast at the lack of bottle at his disposal. I'll be interested in his views on RS tomorrow to see how much he lets slip.
 
i don't think the 81 team was as bad as this.. i remember them having a bit of bad luck but at least they didn't seem to be all playing in the wrong position.. they seemed to have a bit of a clue??
 
Coily said:
The squad is an unbalanced mess, riddled with failures. This is the worst team we've ever had by some distance in my view and yet 17,000 still show up and watch them, it's staggering loyalty on the fans part.
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We'll know we've truly hit rock-bottom when we hear about the 'fear' and 'nervousness' of the players when playing at home.

Us, Coventry and possibly Pompey. Best fans in football.
 
Certainly the worst I've ever seen.

That said, if he plays the players in their correct positions I might change my mind.
 
Darren said:
Having seen the wonders of 80-81 in action, I think the current lot are quite a bit worse. The 80-81 team were essentially a reasonable mid table 3rd division team, who were relegated rather freakishly (the equivalent of 54 points, a positive goal difference and never in the relegation zone until the last 5 minutes of the season).

This lot have been stuck in and around the relegation places for over 2 months no and show no sign of getting out of them.

So, in my view, in November 2013, we have the privilege of viewing the worst team in the club's 124 year history. Anyone disagree?
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An acknowledgement you were wrong when you tried to argue the contrary with me a few weeks back would be nice ;)

Certainly the worst side I've ever seen (as a relative newbie) but what I find most striking are the nigh on universal levels of contempt for pretty much the whole lot of them. We've always had individuals hating individual players - guilty as charged - but for every example of that there's always been more posters coming along to defend the target of the ire. Now, it seems the discussions are no longer "he's shit/no he isn't" but "he's shit/ah yes, but he's shitter"

I know from another thread there is some sort of fans forum going on, but really, never mind what time they run out of crisps, this is fundamental to the entire future of the club.
 

grafikhaus said:
We'll know we've truly hit rock-bottom when we hear about the 'fear' and 'nervousness' of the players when playing at home.

Us, Coventry and possibly Pompey. Best fans in football.
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Mate have a day off. Coventry fans are possibly the worst in the country in my opinion. Pompey are comfortably the best. Our fans are good in terms of loyalty at home, though I fear it's force of habit and getting away from the wife and kids rather than loyalty nowadays!
 
Racy said:
I disagree the 80-81 was shocking

When Clough gets things sorted we will climb this league give him a bit of time.
The old 3rd div was just a cloggers league there's some decent teams who play football in this
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I think I agree, but it's a relative statement. I think most footballers are better than they were in thise days. But this season's team is arguably looking more deserving of relegation to the bottom tier than the 80 / 81 team.

UTB
 
On paper we've got one of the better squads in the division. Unfortunately though we don't play on paper and on the pitch, this is by far the worst side I've seen.
 
alcoblade said:
I think I agree, but it's a relative statement. I think most footballers are better than they were in thise days. But this season's team is arguably looking more deserving of relegation to the bottom tier than the 80 / 81 team.

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Indeed, I have said this before, but if you magically resurrected the best team in our history - the ones who won the league in 1898 - the current lot would wipe the floor with them, purely because of the advances in fitness and technique generally in the last 100 or so years.

When talking about "best ever" or "worst ever", it only makes any sense relatively - i.e. comparing to the team to the standards of other teams at the material time.
 
I've watched us twice this season, away at Bradford and on Saturday. I've seen worse from us, albeit in the championship. Under Heath, Bassett, Warnock, Blackwell, speed and of course Robson, we've had awful spells.

Going forward on Saturday and v Bradford we created chances, quite a few on Saturday.

Defensively on Saturday we were suspect. An awful bouncing back pass from Harry and a dodgy bit of keeping from Long, but these things happen. We weren't outclassed, we played a side who were well organised.

We sacked Weir after 10 league games and Clough has hardly got his feet under the table yet we've written the season off already.

Things won't click immediately. The big mistake of the summer was bringing in so many players and expecting them to click into a formation and make things work.
 
Hard to agree or disagree given I have seen very little of this side but plenty of the 80s version. They were poor but had players with a bit of quality, notably Trusson and Hatton. Looking at the current squad the only difference is Hatton. Bob was a proven goalscorer and guaranteed at least 15 goals, we are lacking that now.
 
Worse I've seen. In fact the first 60 minutes in the Coventry away game was the worst hour I think I've ever seen :(
 
SwissBlade said:
We sacked Weir after 10 league games and Clough has hardly got his feet under the table yet we've written the season off already.
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I'd written it off before Weir was sacked, Swizzers - It's completely FUBAR already

With this squad and their attitude we are aimlessly ambling our way back into Division 4. That's the reality.
 
Don't know - it's close-run thing. I think the current lot are marginally worse.
The worrying thing is that all the messages coming out of the club suggest the players think the current League position is some kind of fluke, and we'll just "get out of it". I wish I could be so sure...
 
Darren said:
Indeed, I have said this before, but if you magically resurrected the best team in our history - the ones who won the league in 1898 - the current lot would wipe the floor with them, purely because of the advances in fitness and technique generally in the last 100 or so years.

When talking about "best ever" or "worst ever", it only makes any sense relatively - i.e. comparing to the team to the standards of other teams at the material time.
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The rational argument must be that the present United side is not worse than that of 80/81; the huge influx of top class foreign talent into the PL must mean that there are players in the Championship who would otherwise be in the top tier. (Would Birchenall and Dearden, for example, get into a PL side today?) This must have had a knock on effect at all lower levels.

Most of the criticism today seems directed at McMahon, Collins and Hill and, just lately, Long and Maguire. However, it's not because of these players that United are bottom. They are where they are because they couldn't score at home against Preston and MK Dons and could only get one at home against each of Colchester , Crawley and Gillingham.
Goal scoring is the problem. The real failures are Taylor, Murphy, Flynn, Brandy, Porter, Ironside etc. The midfield may have its weaknesses but we have been in the final third much more than any visiting team in every one of our home games.
 
BerksBlade said:
Don't know - it's close-run thing. I think the current lot are marginally worse.
The worrying thing is that all the messages coming out of the club suggest the players think the current League position is some kind of fluke, and we'll just "get out of it". I wish I could be so sure...
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That's the worrying thing - exactly the same was said in 2010/11 as well.
 

There's no chance in hell that this lot will get 54 points this season so they are definitely the worst team ever.
 
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