Woodburn is gash

[Bladethebrian]

just watching the bore-fest Wales Trinidad Mitch. Thank Christ we kicked Woodburn into touch, absolutely garbage. And as for that lump from Leeds - Jeez.

 

[Ricky]

I wonder if Woodburn will ever get up to Lee Evans' level?

 

[Bladethebrian]

... and as for Lee “Ray Wilkins” Evans...

 

[metalblade]

So who is this Woodbury chap ?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Reight player, Wilder out.

 

[JohnDenver]

The lad appears to be building a career on scoring an annual international goal once a year.

As work/life balances go, that’s pretty enviable.

 

[BLADES1988]

Wat wer goyal like?

Shite

 

[BLADES1988]

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

A good player that was never played in his correct position and never given time to settle. It’s decisons like this that will eventually cost us promotion.

 

[Willglynning]

A good player that was never played in his correct position and never given time to settle. It’s decisons like this that will eventually cost us promotion.

 

[TJB.]

Nicely helped by some absolutely appalling defending.

 

[itsinyerblood]

What happened to Woodbury? Sleight of hand by the OP?

Does the OP know something, and if so, is he prepared to share his inside knowledge?

And as the next best thing, why isn't Woodthingy in the Liverpool first team squad?

 

[KoppedOff]

Did he actually officially go back? I dont remember an announcement and you’d have thought he would have gone on loan somewhere else.

Or is he still in that position where technically he’s on loan with us, but playing for Liverpool U23s?

 

[JackSUFC]

It’s a good job he’s back in Liverpool’s U23s as that hoof dinosaur at Sheffield was ruining him.

 

[Foxy]

What happened to Woodbury? Sleight of hand by the OP?

t'was me, it was annoying me

 

[Chali 2na]

Just because it didn't work out for him here doesn't mean he's rubbish

 

[itsinyerblood]

t'was me, it was annoying me

Agree, it was mildly irritating. Always support a bit of pro-active word correction.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Just because it didn't work out for him here doesn't mean he's rubbish

You're right Chali, but it was a curious state of affairs. Clearly rated by his club, but apparently unable to adjust to whatever Wilder asked of him, makes you wonder what BW found so difficult to respond to?

 

[Chali 2na]

You're right Chali, but it was a curious state of affairs. Clearly rated by his club, but apparently unable to adjust to whatever Wilder asked of him, makes you wonder what BW found so difficult to respond to?

You make it sound like he wasn't able to follow instructions, which could be true, but equally, isn't a fact.

I may have already mentioned on here, but I share a mutual friend with Ben Woodburn - he said that he's a really nice lad but just extremely shy. Judging by that and the fact that he struggled to get involved in games or make his presence known, makes me think it was just simply a case of he wasn't ready for the step up or to get out of his comfort zone.

 

[JackSUFC]

You're right Chali, but it was a curious state of affairs. Clearly rated by his club, but apparently unable to adjust to whatever Wilder asked of him, makes you wonder what BW found so difficult to respond to?

When the signing was announced, one of my Directors at work was telling he knows Woodburn’s step-mum.

Apparently it was in Woodburn’s Liverpool contract that he’d be paid a figure north of £500k when he scored his first international goal - which he got on his debut at 17. I don’t know if it’s true but it seems plausible.

I’m not saying Woodburn didn’t show desire or work ethic in training as I don’t know, but if it is true then it’s no wonder why he and other PL youngsters struggle when they’re already financially made for life.

 

[itsinyerblood]

When the signing was announced, one of my Directors at work was telling he knows Woodburn’s step-mum.

Apparently it was in Woodburn’s Liverpool contract that he’d be paid a figure north of £500k when he scored his first international goal - which he got on his debut at 17. I don’t know if it’s true but it seems plausible.

I’m not saying Woodburn didn’t show desire or work ethic in training as I don’t know, but if it is true then it’s no wonder why he and other PL youngsters struggle when they’re already financially made for life.

All of which might be correct Jack, but I wonder if coming to a Championship club might alos be a bit of a shock to the system, unless you're Kieran Dowell and already have experience of the Championship and what to expect. Just as we've (and by this I mean UK clubs) learnt that playing in Europe has brought with it a variety of things we should acclimatise to, it might also be a bit of a culture shock to a young player that comes from the environment of a club like Liverpool. Some obviously adjust well, but others, as in BW's case, may respond like a fish out of water. Clearly, there was something wrong that BW struggled with.

You make it sound like he wasn't able to follow instructions, which could be true, but equally, isn't a fact.

I may have already mentioned on here, but I share a mutual friend with Ben Woodburn - he said that he's a really nice lad but just extremely shy. Judging by that and the fact that he struggled to get involved in games or make his presence known, makes me think it was just simply a case of he wasn't ready for the step up or to get out of his comfort zone.

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You make it sound like he wasn't able to follow instructions, which could be true, but equally, isn't a fact.

I may have already mentioned on here, but I share a mutual friend with Ben Woodburn - he said that he's a really nice lad but just extremely shy. Judging by that and the fact that he struggled to get involved in games or make his presence known, makes me think it was just simply a case of he wasn't ready for the step up or to get out of his comfort zone.

That wasn't my inference. Your point about BW's character may have hit this issue clearly on the head. Maybe it was the adjustment that Woodburn struggled with. Perhaps the environment at Liverpool is sufficiently different that arriving at United presented enough problems, or differences, that the boy couldn't cope with. It might have been something as simple as training, which we're lead to believe is as full on at the Blades as an actual game, or it could have been something else, who knows, but clearly adjusting caused the loan to become an unsuccessful opportunity for both player and club.

 

[Chali 2na]

That wasn't my inference. Your point about BW's character may have hit this issue clearly on the head. Maybe it was the adjustment that Woodburn struggled with. Perhaps the environment at Liverpool is sufficiently different that arriving at United presented enough problems, or differences, that the boy couldn't cope with. It might have been something as simple as training, which we're lead to believe is as full on at the Blades as an actual game, or it could have been something else, who knows, but clearly adjusting caused the loan to become an unsuccessful opportunity for both player and club.

Exactly mate: I think it's probabaly a culture shock for many coming from a plush academy like Liverpool's and being thrust into league football at a club like ours.

Some clearly have the right attitude, like Henderson. Some come round over time, like Coady, and some just don't seem to click, like Woodburn.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Thought he looked decent last night - a decent delivery and the only one looking likely to score

 

[bromtom]

If you're coming from a Champion's league team I wonder if it's all the more difficult to adjust to going on loan down the pyramid.

Liverpool will train for the games they'll play, and in the Prem and CL you get space, people stand off you, don't close as much or in as many numbers and usually let you just come at them or retain possession in safe areas (if you're Liverpool).

International football is even less intense and that's where he gets most of his games.

When he was playing for us he was fine in possession for the most part, good with his feet and everything, but if he lost the ball or we were out of position he was a passenger, he couldn't get close to closing anyone down and that's vital in the championship, I think anyway.

He still helped us get points though, his skill in possession at the end of the QPR away game came in handy in the corner when we were seeing the game out for that first vital win, so GLTTL.

 

[BushBlade]

If you're coming from a Champion's league team I wonder if it's all the more difficult to adjust to going on loan down the pyramid.

Liverpool will train for the games they'll play, and in the Prem and CL you get space, people stand off you, don't close as much or in as many numbers and usually let you just come at them or retain possession in safe areas (if you're Liverpool).

International football is even less intense and that's where he gets most of his games.

When he was playing for us he was fine in possession for the most part, good with his feet and everything, but if he lost the ball or we were out of position he was a passenger, he couldn't get close to closing anyone down and that's vital in the championship, I think anyway.

He still helped us get points though, his skill in possession at the end of the QPR away game came in handy in the corner when we were seeing the game out for that first vital win, so GLTTL.

I’m not sure I agree with that. Teams like Man City and Liverpool do a huge amount of work on playing out from the back and also closing down to prevent other teams from playing out from the back.

The key difference between the championship and the PL is that in the PL, players only try to win the ball when they can see their opponent hasn’t got it fully under control, that’s why first touch is so important. In the championship a player is more likely to try to win the ball and concede a foul.

Obviously there are exceptions, particularly when many championship managers are trying to play a similar style of football to the PL and you still get the odd leveller in the PL.

I’ve never really subscribed to the idea that a player who can’t cope in the championship would fare better in the PL. Generally they don’t, their weaknesses are exposed further and in the main, they have no more time on the ball, it just looks like it but the game is often played at a ridiculous pace in the PL. As an individual player you might not get clattered as much but if you dwell on the ball in the PL, you mess up the attack because all the opposition players get back into position whilst you’re fucking around with it.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Woodburn is ash.