Wilson gone. Any pickings ??

[Bladesway]

Danny Wilson and Chris Morgan sacked.

Any impact for us ??

Wilder off to Chezzy while we are worrying about anything and everything?

I'm thinking of starting a "will slugs in my kitchen effect the Blades promotion run in" thread. We had one the other morning and I wondered how it might derail us. Then we put a copper strip as a border across the door frame and the little fuckers stopped. The world sits right on its axis.

 

[Selly]

Exactly, who the hell do Chessy think they are going to attract?
My only memorable problem with DW was the away game at Pigsborough (in THAT season) trailing 1-0 at half time he did absolutely F All to change anything and we all witnessed a repeat second half car crash, the rest is (very sad) history.

The game at Hogsborough in THAT season was 0-0 at half time, and we were unlucky to lose toa 75 mind goal ( not that we deserved to win mind you)

The game you describe sounds much more like Robson's "attempt" at a Derby game.

 

[1066blade]

The game at Hogsborough in THAT season was 0-0 at half time, and we were unlucky to lose toa 75 mind goal ( not that we deserved to win mind you)

The game you describe sounds much more like Robson's "attempt" at a Derby game.

Kinell this Shiraz is stronger than I thought..... My bad pal.
Absolutely nowt wrong wiv Danny, have I'm back in a jiff should we ever need a well trodden traveller - which we obvs won't cos we are bound for glory with CW et al.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Just the ticket for Nigel 'Are you an ostrich?' Pearson.

 

[Willglynning]

Living in Chesterfield and with some Town season ticket holders, I hear quite a bit about how they rate players. Whilst Ariyibi looked quite competent in that first half against us he's apparently near enough useless most of the time, and only seems to try in the big games.

 

[Pinchy]

Can see Morgs coming back, beef the academy up maybe.

In what way? He has no aptitude for coaching whatsoever. He got a job solely to save money and only one manager has ever employed him.

I think the Academy would do very well to avoid an unsophisticated Hoofer whose guiding football principle has been expressly stated as "Nowt fancy - like Bassett"

 

[Cerberus Blade]

So it's the final nail in Chesterfields coffin then. They won't find a better more experienced manager than Danny at this stage and they are in dire straights financially so they're down!

Along with Rovrum.

And Donny and the Blades are up!

Put your money on that now!

 

[Pinchy]

I bet a Wilder would like Morgan back pin some capacity.
As for any players,surely any new manager would want to all access all his players first before realising or selling any.

Bladey nonsense. He's useless.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The older I get, and the more useless charlatans who come and go, the more I think that the vast majority of managers have very little idea at all what they are doing, and are getting away with it, frankly, either because their name makes them an employable brand, or because they are occasionally blessed with good squads who do the hard work for them, or because they always work with top-notch support teams, or whatever. I reckon this is true at all levels of the game, too, all the way to the top. In that respect, football is just a mirror of senior management generally, in corporate/institutional life today.

The minority of managers, however, who really DO know what they are doing, can make an enormous, positive impact, very quickly. Ironically, on the day he's been sacked, the one who really brought this home to me was Danny Wilson during his time at the Lane. Whatever his limitations, DW, bless him, transformed our style of play from unwatchable shite to something more than alright, more or less overnight. (You could make a song out of that ?) . The manager who has recently reinforced all the above for me, is Sir Christopher Wilder.

On a bad day, good luck to you Danny Wilson ...

Amen to that - I hope these figures still stand up, but apart from our present manager, I think Danny Wilson has the highest win percentage of any United manager

 

[snootyfenooty]

In what way? He has no aptitude for coaching whatsoever. He got a job solely to save money and only one manager has ever employed him.

Clough + Wilson = Two managers. Three when you count his stint as caretaker manger when he was employed directly by the board.

You really should be able to do better than that as the self-appointed resident expert of S24SU.

 

[Pinchy]

Clough + Wilson = Two managers. Three when you count his stint as caretaker manger when he was employed directly by the board.

You really should be able to do better than that as the self-appointed resident expert of S24SU.

He was already under contract when Clough arrived. Why would we offer him a job, now? Would any other club?

 

[snootyfenooty]

He was already under contract when Clough arrived

Clough was perfectly agreeable to the arrangement. You will have to try harder to wriggle out of this one.

As an aside, what is the antagonism towards Morgan all about? By the sounds of it you are holding him personally responsible for all of our ills over the past six years.

 

[Pinchy]

Clough was perfectly agreeable to the arrangement. You will have to try harder to wriggle out of this one.

As an aside, what is the antagonism towards Morgan all about? By the sounds of it you are holding him personally responsible for all of our ills over the past six years.

No antagonism at all. Why should we (or anybody) offer him a job as a coach? Third time of asking. Do you have an answer, one that can be given without dissolving into convulsive laughter?...

The contract was between SUFC and Morgan. It was still extant. Clough's agreement or otherwise is nothing to the point. The only person wriggling is the one trying to think what on Earth Morgan has done to merit a coaching job at our club.

 

[Stretch]

Morgs will always be a legend as far as I am concerned but I am not sure a stint back at the Lane would be in anyone interests, nor should we be shoehorning anyone in for sentimental reasons either. If he is serious about getting into management then he needs to keep cutting his teeth, either as an assistant to someone else or by dropping into non-league as a number 1.

Funnily enough I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wilder offerred Wright some kind of position in the near future. He would be a good mentor for young defenders coming through the Club.

 

[Pinchy]

Astonishing that anyone would even consider a return for Muckanettles Nowt-Fancy. There are no rational reasons to give this failed coach a job ruining our youngsters.

Bladey-Fucking-Bladeness gone madder.

 

[ScoobBlade]

May I just take this opportunity to say that I think Danny Wilson did well for us and deserves nothing but respect for his time here. He seems destined to always be called in to shit situations and then gets sacked when the situation remains shit. Chesterfield clearly have major problems behind the scenes. Managed the unclean when they were being ran into the ground, he took on MK Dons when they started up and everyone hated them and when he finally latched onto a winner with the blades his star striker gets sent down for 5 yrs. Got to feel for the man

 

[Champagneblade]

May I just take this opportunity to say that I think Danny Wilson did well for us and deserves nothing but respect for his time here. He seems destined to always be called in to shit situations and then gets sacked when the situation remains shit. Chesterfield clearly have major problems behind the scenes. Managed the unclean when they were being ran into the ground, he took on MK Dons when they started up and everyone hated them and when he finally latched onto a winner with the blades his star striker gets sent down for 5 yrs. Got to feel for the man

Let's just say we see his career slightly differently.

Did well at Barnsley, no doubt.

Skip to Swindon who he led to the League One trap door only to be fortuitously picked up by a team coming into League One, the one he'd just fallen short in!

Inherited an incredible squad for that level and in fairness added MacDonald. Had 34 goal Ched but with a cloud handing over him. Once Ched was on fire and with an expensive squad, just about the only management he needed to do was prepare a contingency for the possible negative outcome.

McCabe gave him three chances - unfortunately for us, he chose the injured Hoskins, the past it Beattie who he failed to give proper game time to and the hopeless O'Halloran.

He totally screwed it up. The no show vs Wednesday was also unforgivable as he waited almost all game before making changes.

Second season was so negative though McCabe did him no favours selling Blackman but it was turgid even with him.

Really nice guy. But how he got the United job having just relegated a team is beyond me.

 

[sheffielder]

Im tipping Jack Lester in some capacity ,with maybe Billy Davies.

Humphreys and Jack

 

[Revolution]

McCabe gave him three chances - unfortunately for us, he chose the injured Hoskins, the past it Beattie who he failed to give proper game time to and the hopeless O'Halloran.

He totally screwed it up. The no show vs Wednesday was also unforgivable as he waited almost all game before making changes.

Second season was so negative though McCabe did him no favours selling Blackman but it was turgid even with him.

Your point about 2012 is written with massive hindsight. Hoskins was not injured when signed. No one could have predicted how bad Beattie was going to be. O'Halloran was indeed hopeless, but again I am unsure that was apparent when we signed him. We already had Cresswell and Porter on the books as well. How many forwards did we need?

As for 2012-13: we get rid of Quinn, Williamson and Lowton, and Evans is gone. That's 52 goals gone. Cresswell is a year older. Porter is a year older and not a regular scorer.

We bring in Blackman, but then sell him. There is no money for a replacement - and no time to get one - so we end up with the useless Forte and Poleon.

However, we continue to have a solid defence: and despite all this, we are top in February and only fall out of the automatic promotion race thanks to some wretched performances from Forte.

What the hell did you expect Wilson to do in that situation? I don't see how he could have done any better in 2012-13 with the cards he was dealt. You could see how well he was doing from what happened when he got fired. We declined.

 

[Rodders]

Your point about 2012 is written with massive hindsight. Hoskins was not injured when signed. No one could have predicted how bad Beattie was going to be. O'Halloran was indeed hopeless, but again I am unsure that was apparent when we signed him. We already had Cresswell and Porter on the books as well. How many forwards did we need?

As for 2012-13: we get rid of Quinn, Williamson and Lowton, and Evans is gone. That's 52 goals gone. Cresswell is a year older. Porter is a year older and not a regular scorer.

We bring in Blackman, but then sell him. There is no money for a replacement - and no time to get one - so we end up with the useless Forte and Poleon.

However, we continue to have a solid defence: and despite all this, we are top in February and only fall out of the automatic promotion race thanks to some wretched performances from Forte.

What the hell did you expect Wilson to do in that situation? I don't see how he could have done any better in 2012-13 with the cards he was dealt. You could see how well he was doing from what happened when he got fired. We declined.

Agree with every word of this post; managed to get top of the league at Christmas with a totally decimated squad, something we've waited another 4 years to achieve since.

 

[grafikhaus]

Perfect opportunity to try and get another notch on his South Yorkshire Sackings card with the Rotherham job, before finishing his career with Donny Rovers.

Absolutely. Danny Wilson - fucking up clubs in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire since 1994.

 

[Champagneblade]

Your point about 2012 is written with massive hindsight. Hoskins was not injured when signed. No one could have predicted how bad Beattie was going to be. O'Halloran was indeed hopeless, but again I am unsure that was apparent when we signed him. We already had Cresswell and Porter on the books as well. How many forwards did we need?

As for 2012-13: we get rid of Quinn, Williamson and Lowton, and Evans is gone. That's 52 goals gone. Cresswell is a year older. Porter is a year older and not a regular scorer.

We bring in Blackman, but then sell him. There is no money for a replacement - and no time to get one - so we end up with the useless Forte and Poleon.

However, we continue to have a solid defence: and despite all this, we are top in February and only fall out of the automatic promotion race thanks to some wretched performances from Forte.

What the hell did you expect Wilson to do in that situation? I don't see how he could have done any better in 2012-13 with the cards he was dealt. You could see how well he was doing from what happened when he got fired. We declined.

We declined because we left it to Morgan, who had no managerial experience; when we were already on a downward spiral. The common sense approach was to ask Warnock to step in for the final matches. But McCabe wouldn't swallow his pride.

Regarding hindsight, Hoskins was carrying a hernia issue. That wasn't public to you and I until later but it would or should have been known to Wilson.

So with O'Halloran that's 2/3 wasted efforts. In principle I didn't mind Beattie, but Wilson had him at the club for a few weeks to assess him. A benefit not open to you or I. It was on Wilson's judgment we did sign him. Then I remember being 3-0 up in a game with 30 left and Wilson giving him a couple of minutes at the end. Once he'd decided to sign him, why not help him get match fit?

He managed that season's key decisions poorly. Second season was just awful viewing. He pretty much capitulates in season two wherever he goes.

 

[Revolution]

We declined because we left it to Morgan, who had no managerial experience; when we were already on a downward spiral. The common sense approach was to ask Warnock to step in for the final matches. But McCabe wouldn't swallow his pride.

Regarding hindsight, Hoskins was carrying a hernia issue. That wasn't public to you and I until later but it would or should have been known to Wilson.

So with O'Halloran that's 2/3 wasted efforts. In principle I didn't mind Beattie, but Wilson had him at the club for a few weeks to assess him. A benefit not open to you or I. It was on Wilson's judgment we did sign him. Then I remember being 3-0 up in a game with 30 left and Wilson giving him a couple of minutes at the end. Once he'd decided to sign him, why not help him get match fit?

He managed that season's key decisions poorly. Second season was just awful viewing. He pretty much capitulates in season two wherever he goes.

I think that's nit picking around the edges.

Wilson's record when he was fired was W17 D17 L7. We were in fourth place. That's a good season with that squad. That's not capitulation in my book.

We were not doing well at the time. We had failed to score in 3 home games in a row. We drew 2 of them 0-0 - remember that good defence? We didn't win those games because of the utter incompetence of Forte and Poleon, I recall. We were poor against Crawley when again Forte missed decent chances I seem to recall.

We had also won narrowly at Tranmere and drawn at Walsall, both decent sides at the time. It was lunacy to sack him.

As for Warnock coming in, let's stick to what actually happened, rather than fantasy.

As for 2012: did you know O'Halloran was going to be hopeless? What about Porter and Cresswell? How many forwards do you want?

 

[nopigfansintown]

In terms of players I'd only consider the nippy winger Ariybi and Evans. Either signing would represent a gamble so I wouldn't push the boat out.

 

[alcoblade]

Your point about 2012 is written with massive hindsight. Hoskins was not injured when signed. No one could have predicted how bad Beattie was going to be. O'Halloran was indeed hopeless, but again I am unsure that was apparent when we signed him. We already had Cresswell and Porter on the books as well. How many forwards did we need?

As for 2012-13: we get rid of Quinn, Williamson and Lowton, and Evans is gone. That's 52 goals gone. Cresswell is a year older. Porter is a year older and not a regular scorer.

We bring in Blackman, but then sell him. There is no money for a replacement - and no time to get one - so we end up with the useless Forte and Poleon.

However, we continue to have a solid defence: and despite all this, we are top in February and only fall out of the automatic promotion race thanks to some wretched performances from Forte.

What the hell did you expect Wilson to do in that situation? I don't see how he could have done any better in 2012-13 with the cards he was dealt. You could see how well he was doing from what happened when he got fired. We declined.

I agree with most of this. I still wanted him gone because the approach in the second season was unacceptable.

The style matched Blackwell and Clough's second seasons. None of them can be forgiven for playing for a point given the resources they still had, though I accept the continual sales mitigated this significantly.

UTB

 

[Revolution]

I agree with most of this. I still wanted him gone because the approach in the second season was unacceptable.

The style matched Blackwell and Clough's second seasons. None of them can be forgiven for playing for a point given the resources they still had, though I accept the continual sales mitigated this significantly.

UTB

Oh, there was some terrible football, and he was collecting the slowest players available, but that was a poorer squad than people care to remember. Look at the mess Weir made with many of the same players the following year.

And I assume you didn't want him gone with 5 games to go with Morgan coming in...In fact you were as baffled as everyone else to my recollection.

 

[PeteBlade]

No thanks.

Chris Morgan is exactly the sort of bloke we should have working at the Lane.

He loves the club.

 

[Blade_In_Sydney]

Chris Morgan is exactly the sort of bloke we should have working at the Lane.

He loves the club.

Loved the club so much he up sticks and left for another.

 

[JohnDenver]

A daft sacking compounded by the fact there was no replacement. In my line of work it's like sacking the project manager before go-live and putting the admin bod in charge.

 

[Rodders]

A daft sacking compounded by the fact there was no replacement. In my line of work it's like sacking the project manager before go-live and putting the admin bod in charge.

...with the only difference less email spam fobbing stuff off left, right and centre? I'm right aren't I?