Wilder's Transfer Business - For Better or Worse

[Sothall_Blade]

I've tried to compare the players that Wilder could have chosen from when he first arrived with those that he can currently choose from. To see where he has made improvements and where he hasn't been able to so far.

I've assumed that he could have persuaded certain "out of contract" players to stay if he'd wanted to (e.g. Harris, Flynn) but I've not included any loan players as they were never his to choose from (e.g. Edgar, Baptiste). Other contenders like Collins left before Wilder arrived.

Here is what I think:-



An improvement overall and in seven positions but in my view this confirms that we are now desperately weak at full back and really need to improve in that area in this window (or via a free agent!?). Yes, I know we could cover full back with the likes of Basham and O Connell but Wilder has said he wouldn't want to do that it would make us weaker in their preferred positions.

 

[Slim Man]

We were weak at full back before Brayford and Wallace went... Now we have 1 specialist right back and 1 specialist left back, both of which aren't the best at defending. Recipe for disaster

 

[Sheffsteel]

Agree full back is a problem area. Hussey is a worry however I heard Alan Knill say the other day that he's convinced that all the new signings will in time prove to be great signings. He said there's more to come from our new signings and they will improve when they are more settled.

Also we can't get comment about Adams being better than Lavery.
Adams for me was crap most of the time, very raw and had loads to learn but he was always capable of pulling out some quality from no where. Great potential but not someone for the here and now.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Agree full back is a problem area.

Also we can't get comment about Adams being better than Lavery.
Adams for me was crap most of the time, very raw and had loads to learn but he was always capable of pulling out some quality from no where. Great potential but not someone for the here and now.

I did think about that but Adams has been playing and scoring at a higher level than Lavery for the last two seasons.
The bottom line is that nobody would pay (up to) £1.5M for Lavery but they would for Adams.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

We were weak at full back before Brayford and Wallace went... Now we have 1 specialist right back and 1 specialist left back, both of which aren't the best at defending. Recipe for disaster

I had to do a ninja edit to take K.Wallace out when I caught up with the latest.
No great loss as long as we sign an alternative in the next 6 hours. Hmmm.

 

[Harry's Game]

Hard to say isn't it? I mean on paper we shouldn't have a problem putting the ball in the net with the squad we have but so far it's been a struggle. Would like to have secured a goal scoring midfielder to help with that.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Great potential but not someone for the here and now.

And there is the nail hammered on the head. Successive mangers have (been forced to) lose potential and looked to short term fixes which have been utter disasters in every instance.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

Just seen a picture of wilder and Lavery stood side by side in the Star, now Wilder is down as being 5ft 11ins tall (doubt full) and Lavery is also down as 5ft 11ins but if thats true Wilder must be stood on a box......

Scougle the second ?

 

[IMABLADE]

When was scougall a left midfielder

 

[Sheffsteel]

And there is the nail hammered on the head. Successive mangers have (been forced to) lose potential and looked to short term fixes which have been utter disasters in every instance.

Agree Sean
But then I suppose you could blame the attitude of then fans that have high expectation.
And the realisation is that whist SU are in league 1 then of course we should demand instant results.

If the club said they were building for the future, it would be unacceptable to most fans.
We're like most fans at big clubs and we immediate DEMAND success.
Don't think anyone is interested in potential that have massive potential if we're losing 3-0.

 

[robbiez666]

I think it's still too early to judge. You can't just go on reputation. Most have done little so far. Doesn't mean they won't

 

[PeteBlade]

Agree Sean
But then I suppose you could blame the attitude of then fans that have high expectation.
And the realisation is that whist SU are in league 1 then of course we should demand instant results.

If the club said they were building for the future, it would be unacceptable to most fans.
We're like most fans at big clubs and we immediate DEMAND success.
Don't think anyone is interested in potential that have massive potential if we're losing 3-0.

Again with the high expectations BULLSHIT.

 

[sheffielder]

I am not a Freeman fan, but he is a step up from the Brayford we had playing for us this season.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Agree Sean
But then I suppose you could blame the attitude of then fans that have high expectation.
And the realisation is that whist SU are in league 1 then of course we should demand instant results.

If the club said they were building for the future, it would be unacceptable to most fans.
We're like most fans at big clubs and we immediate DEMAND success.
Don't think anyone is interested in potential that have massive potential if we're losing 3-0.

We were sorted until we lost Ched before the MK game.
Ever since then our modus operandi has been tail chasing;trying to compensate for that lost promotion.
My view is we need to stop that. Accept we are a poor Division 3 team and be honest about it.
As a fan I`d back a chairman who said we are building round Che,DCL,whoever and it won`t happen this season.
FFS it won`t anyway so why not stop forcing stupid ambitions on amazing fans and do it organically.
It will be all the better in every respect if we did.

 

[loyalblade95]

Jonathan Buchan‏ @jonathanbuchan
5hrs 30mins to go Lge 1 deals to watch:
#SUFC Calvert-Lewin perm to #EFC
#SUFC Webster perm from #Millwall
#SUFC loan Ebanks-Landell #WWFC

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I am not a Freeman fan, but he is a step up from the Brayford we had playing for us this season.

I agree he's doing ok but the point is that Wilder already had him available for selection anyway. He could have picked him ahead of Brayford, so we have weakened that position overall.

Still 5 hours left though to sign someone who can play right back. Maybe Wilson if we're signing two more centre backs?

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Jonathan Buchan‏ @jonathanbuchan
5hrs 30mins to go Lge 1 deals to watch:
#SUFC Calvert-Lewin perm to #EFC
#SUFC Webster perm from #Millwall
#SUFC loan Ebanks-Landell #WWFC

So we have squillions for DCL.
Bet sweet FA gets spent on a good CB or CM.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

You can't really judge Wilder on his signings so far because they have only had 5 or so games. Most have shown flashes but it's an entirely new side who need to gel.

And he is clearly having to do a rebuilding job, while slashing the wage bill.

Do we really think he would have chose to get rid of Brayford to save wages, and got rid of Adams and DCL?? In an ideal world we'd be sat here with Mcfadzen / Webster at centre half and his first choice winger and CM having signed. We clearly aren't operating on that level anymore, so we've got to make to with what we can get.

 

[Blade56]

Jonathan Buchan‏ @jonathanbuchan
5hrs 30mins to go Lge 1 deals to watch:
#SUFC Calvert-Lewin perm to #EFC
#SUFC Webster perm from #Millwall
#SUFC loan Ebanks-Landell #WWFC

But isn't Byron Webster a CB?

We've signed EEL, got Wilson, wright, O'Connell....... London busses?

 

[coolhandluke]

I've tried to compare the players that Wilder could have chosen from when he first arrived with those that he can currently choose from. To see where he has made improvements and where he hasn't been able to so far.

I've assumed that he could have persuaded certain "out of contract" players to stay if he'd wanted to (e.g. Harris, Flynn) but I've not included any loan players as they were never his to choose from (e.g. Edgar, Baptiste). Other contenders like Collins left before Wilder arrived.

Here is what I think:-

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An improvement overall and in seven positions but in my view this confirms that we are now desperately weak at full back and really need to improve in that area in this window (or via a free agent!?). Yes, I know we could cover full back with the likes of Basham and O Connell but Wilder has said he wouldn't want to do that it would make us weaker in their preferred positions.

Adams - done better than lavary - done . At least give lavary the chance to play mate .

Overall though , not too much I disagree with tbh

 

[BushBlade]

But isn't Byron Webster a CB?

We've signed EEL, got Wilson, wright, O'Connell....... London busses?

They can all play at full back too though, where we're short so it kind of makes sense.

 

[Blade56]

They can all play at full back too though, where we're short so it kind of makes sense.

Don't know the lad bb, any good iyo?

 

[BushBlade]

Don't know the lad bb, any good iyo?

EEL? Or Webster? There's a big thread on EEL from Roygbiv. Don't know much about Webster but I think he's rated. I didn't mean he could play full back (although he might be able to, I don't know) but the rest can.
I'd expect first choice to be Webster and EEL with Wilson and O'Connell competing with Freeman and Hussey for full back places and covering centre half and Wright as the spare for emergencies.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

You can't really judge Wilder on his signings so far because they have only had 5 or so games. Most have shown flashes but it's an entirely new side who need to gel.

And he is clearly having to do a rebuilding job, while slashing the wage bill.

Do we really think he would have chose to get rid of Brayford to save wages, and got rid of Adams and DCL?? In an ideal world we'd be sat here with Mcfadzen / Webster at centre half and his first choice winger and CM having signed. We clearly aren't operating on that level anymore, so we've got to make to with what we can get.

Wilder is being asked to perform the same hat trick that every manager since Robson has been.

Make a large profit on transfers, reduce the wage bill and improve the team.

Not that surprising that none of them have managed it yet. Maybe Wilder will?

 

[Maidenhead]

I've tried to compare the players that Wilder could have chosen from when he first arrived with those that he can currently choose from. To see where he has made improvements and where he hasn't been able to so far.

I've assumed that he could have persuaded certain "out of contract" players to stay if he'd wanted to (e.g. Harris, Flynn) but I've not included any loan players as they were never his to choose from (e.g. Edgar, Baptiste). Other contenders like Collins left before Wilder arrived.

Here is what I think:-

View attachment 19605

An improvement overall and in seven positions but in my view this confirms that we are now desperately weak at full back and really need to improve in that area in this window (or via a free agent!?). Yes, I know we could cover full back with the likes of Basham and O Connell but Wilder has said he wouldn't want to do that it would make us weaker in their preferred positions.

Full backs don't win you leagues.

I said it when we wasted silly money on Brayford (not that he's a bad player but we had greater needs) and I'll say it again now.

Key positions are GK, CH's, CM and CF.

Your assessment of Lavary, who is yet to kick a ball for us, as worse than our previous bench warmer is unfair and is yet to be proven.

Overall I think our recruitment has been good in the right areas and I'm generally satisfied.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

The squad we have assembled is a complete and utter shambles. Whether this is down to lack of investment from the board or CW making a right balls up of it is anyone's guess...

 

[blade too long]

full back addressed now , lafferty in

 

[blade too long]

Overall I think our recruitment has been good in the right areas and I'm generally satisfied.

The squad we have assembled is a complete and utter shambles. Whether this is down to lack of investment from the board or CW making a right balls up of it is anyone's guess...

clappers 1 moaners 1 penalties for am extra point anyone


shows how polarised our fans have become
serial deniers v hope filled faithful

 

[Maidenhead]

The squad we have assembled is a complete and utter shambles. Whether this is down to lack of investment from the board or CW making a right balls up of it is anyone's guess...

So which 12 players would you rather have signed?

And which would you not have signed (so we can have a look back at the end of the season and assess Wilder's opinions against yours)

 

[sitwell]

And there is the nail hammered on the head. Successive mangers have (been forced to) lose potential and looked to short term fixes which have been utter disasters in every instance.

Thank you SBT ,Im just glad someone else wrote manger instead of manager ,I do it all the pissing time ,glad its not just me .