Wilders transfer approach ?

[RammyBlade]

I see that some on our boards are moaning about us going for lower league players like the lad from Hartlepool and our links with others and decribing this as lack of ambition maybe.

I think its different in that he is aiming to retain that unbelievable teamm spirit going that got us up and if we were signing billy big bollocks on biggish fees and wages - how would that affect the team spirit ?

I like the way he is going about his business and looking at players who will fit into and buy into his philosophy

 

[elgoog44]

young and on the up is all good with me, in Wilder we trust.

I think he will buy young and hungry players with the compliment of a few old heads like he did last year, it works why do it different?

 

[FMBlade1]

Yeah I'm the view that splashing out £2 million + on transfer fees with £15k a week wages and signing on fees on players isn't the way to go. If we did sign someone of that ilk Wilder must rate him very highly so wouldn't complain, but doubt it would happen because of his focus on harmony. That said there is plenty of value as free agents or loans as he proved last year.

I do think the championship will be more of a step up than some of us think, so I hope there are a handful of championship proven players brought in. A Tammy Abrahams type of player for example

 

[Torrix1889]

Lets face facts....we have just been promoted...us Unitedites may be confident we will do well next year but as far as the rest of the Championship is concerned we are mid-table at best...probably relegation fodder......so......are we going to attract current Championship players contracted to their clubs...probably not....are we going to be first choice for established current Championship players at the end of their contracts who want a lucrative move and the chance of pushing for honors....probably not......are we going to possibly attract established Championship players who have been released...probably, but they have been released for a reason.

Have we signed established out of contract Championship players on big wages before that have been utter shite.....most definitely.

Look at Southampton, Bournemouth, Norwich even....all got to the promised land on hard work, team ethic and effort....none had any superstars and in Bournemouth's case 3 or 4 of their starting 11 now were with them in L1.

We have one of the best scouts in the country in Paul Mitchell, he doesn't get much wrong. We have one of the best Managers outside the premier League, he knows how to get the best out of players. The possible signing of Enda Stevens is typical of this and one that excites me greatly.

 

[LurkerBlade]

Hammond was Championship established, Dele Alli a lower league risk (albeit an expensive one)

It all comes down to who is looking at the players & deciding, as it's Wilder I'm happy.

 

[BushBlade]

Hammond was Championship established, Dele Alli a lower league risk (albeit an expensive one)

It all comes down to who is looking at the players & deciding, as it's Wilder I'm happy.

I can't see it bothering anyone over 40. We've seen Bassett sign lots of players we'd never heard of. No one knew who Tony Currie was when we signed him. Marquee signings are for the Instagram supporters.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I can recall last pre season and some berating Chris for not giving in to the high wage demands of Ryan Tafowhatever his name was

 

[Chali 2na]

Yeah I'm the view that splashing out £2 million + on transfer fees with £15k a week wages and signing on fees on players isn't the way to go. If we did sign someone of that ilk Wilder must rate him very highly so wouldn't complain, but doubt it would happen because of his focus on harmony. That said there is plenty of value as free agents or loans as he proved last year.

I do think the championship will be more of a step up than some of us think, so I hope there are a handful of championship proven players brought in. A Tammy Abrahams type of player for example

The problem is FM, is that every team in championship (and probably a fair few in the PL) want "A Tammy Abrahams type of player"

Those type of players cost money: money which I'm not sure we'll spend, so we have to be a bit more creative - Buying/loaning players like that before they become a household name.

If we want to compete with the big spenders in the championship, the majority of the players we sign won't be "proven championship players", we'll most likely be signing players with the potential to play in the Championship or higher from lower leagues and PL reserves.

 

[Liverpool blade]

I really do trust wilder and his team in terms of transfer deals!!.we don't need to pay over inflated prices for ordinary players!. We only need to look at a certain side in Lancashire who got promoted!!. They spent lorry loads of cash on billy bollox players and they're now in serious financial shit!!. We don't need to follow their example!!. In wilder we trust. Utb

 

[BushBlade]

I really do trust wilder and his team in terms of transfer deals!!.we don't need to pay over inflated prices for ordinary players!. We only need to look at a certain side in Lancashire who got promoted!!. They spent lorry loads of cash on billy bollox players and they're now in serious financial shit!!. We don't need to follow their example!!. In wilder we trust. Utb

Who?

 

[Ricky]

I wish I had 55 pence for every time I've read "Tammy Abraham type" recently.

 

[FMBlade1]

The problem is FM, is that every team in championship (and probably a fair few in the PL) want "A Tammy Abrahams type of player"

Those type of players cost money: money which I'm not sure we'll spend, so we have to be a bit more creative - Buying/loaning players like that before they become a household name.

If we want to compete with the big spenders in the championship, the majority of the players we sign won't be "proven championship players", we'll most likely be signing players with the potential to play in the Championship or higher from lower leagues and PL reserves.

I don't disagree with that, and its most likely going to be our approach. However our defence really concerns so I hope we push the boat out for players like Ryan Bennett or even Michael Turner; proven championship players on free transfers. Its a balancing act that I'd back Wilder to get right.

Wigan appeared to go too far with trying the 'creative' approach so its something to be aware of.

Ricky I can't recall when we last had an on loan striker who was successful. In the past we've had the likes of Twiss, Cofie, Bent, Sammon all of which were disasters. Half a Tammy Abrahams would do nicely!

 

[Ndlovu Blade]

I wish I had 55 pence for every time I've read "Tammy Abraham type" recently.

Might be able to have a chippy tea

 

[maidmarion]

There are also two windows. When players who can't get a game up to Christmas, see how well we play and our team spirit, they'll be queueing up to sign come January.

 

[Chali 2na]

I don't disagree with that, and its most likely going to be our approach. However our defence really concerns so I hope we push the boat out for players like Ryan Bennett or even Michael Turner; proven championship players on free transfers. Its a balancing act that I'd back Wilder to get right.

Wigan appeared to go too far with trying the 'creative' approach so its something to be aware of.

Ricky I can't recall when we last had an on loan striker who was successful. In the past we've had the likes of Twiss, Cofie, Bent, Sammon all of which were disasters. Half a Tammy Abrahams would do nicely!

You're certainly right that it's a balancing act and we have to get the balance right between experience and potential.

As for Wigan, we've got one thing they don't:

 

[snootyfenooty]

I think he will buy young and hungry players with the compliment of a few old heads like he did last year, it works why do it different?

One way or the other we have to improve on the team we got promoted with. There's nothing scientific in that statement, it was a League 1 team and now we need a Championship one. The post of elgoog44 is relevant except that the older heads need to be of better calibre than the ones drafted in last year, e.g. Wright from Oxford. No offence to him, did well for us but a different level is needed. In this respect we've got Brayford waiting in the wings and Jagielka, albeit rumoured. To get both playing together would put our defence in a different class.

As for the younger heads, OK it's going to be a bit of a punt as we don't have the dosh to chuck around but SUFC have been pretty good at either bringing them through the ranks or spotting a bargain lurking in the lower leagues so I'm quietly confident on that score.

Put these together with the core of last years team, maybe 6 or 7 of them, and we could be off to a flyer next season.

 

[BushBlade]

You're certainly right that it's a balancing act and we have to get the balance right between experience and potential.

As for Wigan, we've got one thing they don't:

A manager?

 

[Liverpool blade]

Who?

Notlob of course!!. . Haha

 

[coolhandluke]

Does anyone know exactly how the recruitment process works at the Lane ?

As far as I'm aware Wilder doesnt actually specify names he'd like to have checked out he tells Mitchell which positions he's looking to strengthen and the type of player he wants . Mitchell gos away and comes back with a shortlist of players , ranked in terms of ability , and CW then sets the ball rolling .

If this is how our recruitment works is there a potential problem here ? Has Mitchell ever scouted for a championship level club or higher ? If he hasn't is this why we appear to be making signings only from the lower leagues ? Mitchells a great scout and his track record speaks volumes , but this is scouting in the lower leagues only .

Now don't get me wrong here , signing the likes of Evans and O Shea whilst being linked with some real gems in the lower leagues is great to see . But these signings are based upon potential only . Shouldn't we be looking for at least a couple of ' shoe ins ' at a Championship level ?

It's early days though and I must confess it's great to be scouring the lower leagues for talented players with great attitudes who'll wear our shirt with pride . But I'd also like to see a couple of championship stalwarts who share the right attitude too .

 

[Iceybabey]

Bottom line is, I trust Wilder. I never really expected him to go out and start signing well known players tbh. I always thought he'd stick to what he does and knows best, which is to bring in hungry players and also improve current players. There's no reason why our current players can't keep on improving. Barnsley had a team full of young hungry unkown players and look where its got them. Wilders only signing players who WANT to play the club first and foremost.

 

[The Crab]

I see that some on our boards are moaning about us going for lower league players like the lad from Hartlepool and our links with others and decribing this as lack of ambition maybe.

I think its different in that he is aiming to retain that unbelievable teamm spirit going that got us up and if we were signing billy big bollocks on biggish fees and wages - how would that affect the team spirit ?

I like the way he is going about his business and looking at players who will fit into and buy into his philosophy

I actually think the approach is quite canny. I know nothing about this lad we are supposed to be after, but I'm sure a lot of poor teams have one or two decent players that for one reason or another, might have slipped the net. Is £300'000 the fee mentioned? Yes, perhaps a little bit rich, but if it works we've got a decent player who will also have decent potential resale value.

We all know that Wilder likes to find hidden gems (although Hussey is more Cubic Zirconia), lets see what he can do for us.

 

[BushBlade]

Notlob of course!!. . Haha

You mean the last time they were in the championship or this season?

They're like us in that their owners have funded a deficit for a number of years. The question at the moment is can their current owner continue to fund losses? They seem to have a cash flow problem which suggests he might not. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how it pans out.

We should only ever be spending what the owners are comfortable to lose. We don't want to go back to boom and bust again, I agree with that.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I can recall last pre season and some berating Chris for not giving in to the high wage demands of Ryan Tafowhatever his name was

That was all quite funny. In the end he was meant to have ended up on about 10 grand a week at Peterboro.

Darragh McAnthony and his bottomless pockets.

 

[BushBlade]

That was all quite funny. In the end he was meant to have ended up on about 10 grand a week at Peterboro.

Darragh McAnthony and his bottomless pockets.

I can't see that being true tbh.

A more interesting general point is that Peterborough were quite successful with a policy of buying from the lower divisions, often non-league. This isn't working as well for them now and I wonder if it's because other clubs have caught on to this? Once other clubs are also scouting non-league it puts up the price of potentially good players and makes it harder to land them. Instead of three or four good ones going to a couple of clubs, they'll be three or four going to different clubs at a higher price.

 

[Esablade]

That was all quite funny. In the end he was meant to have ended up on about 10 grand a week at Peterboro.

Darragh McAnthony and his bottomless pockets.

TBF it's working for him so far...they've shifted some players on in the past few years and brought in a fair old wedge...about £22 million profit from 8 players...

 

[Chali 2na]

A manager?

*A good manager*

 

[Ricky]

Does anyone know exactly how the recruitment process works at the Lane ?

As far as I'm aware Wilder doesnt actually specify names he'd like to have checked out he tells Mitchell which positions he's looking to strengthen and the type of player he wants . Mitchell gos away and comes back with a shortlist of players , ranked in terms of ability , and CW then sets the ball rolling .

If this is how our recruitment works is there a potential problem here ? Has Mitchell ever scouted for a championship level club or higher ? If he hasn't is this why we appear to be making signings only from the lower leagues ? Mitchells a great scout and his track record speaks volumes , but this is scouting in the lower leagues only .

Now don't get me wrong here , signing the likes of Evans and O Shea whilst being linked with some real gems in the lower leagues is great to see . But these signings are based upon potential only . Shouldn't we be looking for at least a couple of ' shoe ins ' at a Championship level ?

It's early days though and I must confess it's great to be scouring the lower leagues for talented players with great attitudes who'll wear our shirt with pride . But I'd also like to see a couple of championship stalwarts who share the right attitude too .

Paul Mitchell will be well aware of players at all levels. It's just that L1/L2 might be his strongest area of knowledge.

 

[veganblade]

For the lower division skeptics...if it's good for Wenger and Wilder, i'm happy: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38572994

Good name too

 

[Enigmatic]

Three words: value for money.

Higher fees do not always equate to better players. Paul Mitchell and Chris Wilder know what they're doing.

 

[Jonboy60]

Trust in wilder is the mantra. Couldn't agree more, his dealings have shown he can spot and develop players from lower leagues. What I don't get is why if CW doesn't sign some one because of the fee or wage demands, he's suddenly some kind of billy big bollox. If tufty thinks that xyz are only worth so much money, then that's what he'll try and get them for. I don't think that all the players tufty feels not worth the fee/wages, are necessarily up the own arses.