Wilder's JTW History - gamble on youth or rely on experience?

[Cappy]

Perhaps a nothing thread but...when reading the rumours around our interest in the Villa youngster, Louie Barry, for a JTW loan deal, I semi dismissed it in my head as my memory told me that Wilder usually gets experienced players in during the JTW. Known quantity players as opposed to risky youngsters with high potential. For example, I feel JRS is a Wilder summer transfer but not a January transfer kinda player. Whereas Madine was very much a 'typical' January transfer player.

So, I pulled up some info from Transfermarkt to take a look. This table is supposedly all of the IN transfers during the winter transfer periods for all of Wilder's times as our gaffer. Sorted by age*.

I still feel he is a low risk kinda guy for January and prefers someone he can rely on as opposed to hope. Thoughts?

Player	Age	Perm / Loan / Return
Jake Bennett	20	Perm
Joe Riley	20	Loan
Sander Berge	21	Perm
Panagiotis Retsos	21	Loan
Kieran Dowell	21	Loan
James Wilson	22	Loan
Lee Evans	23	Perm
Samir Carruthers	23	Perm
Richairo Zivkovic	23	Loan
Ben Brereton Díaz	24	Loan
Ryan Leonard	25	Perm
Jack Robinson	26	Perm
Scott Hogan	26	Loan
Oliver Norwood	27	Perm
Danny Lafferty	27	Perm
Mason Holgate	27	Loan
Ivo Grbic	28	Perm
Jack Rodwell	28	Perm
Gary Madine	28	Loan
Jay O'Shea	28	Loan
James Hanson	29	Perm
Ricky Holmes	30	Perm
Oliver Arblaster	19	Return
Harvey Gilmour	20	Return
Rhys Norrington-Davies	21	Return
Ben Whiteman	21	Return
Jake Eastwood	21	Return
Jake Eastwood	24	Return
Lee Evans	24	Return
Nathan Thomas	24	Return
Marc McNulty	24	Return
James Wallace	25	Return
Ryan Leonard	26	Return
James Wilson	28	Return
Ricky Holmes	31	Return
Jake Wright	33	Return
Mark Duffy	34	Return

*I've bumped the players Returning from loan to the bottom, as they may skew the landscape a bit.

 

[mattbianco1]

I have absolutely no recollection of Harvey Gilmour or Jake Bennett

 

[McGrath]

JTW is a lottery. You're unlikely to buy a long term player who will be impactful

I think folk get a bit over excited by it

 

[coolasanidiot]

BBD - there ready and waiting for loan 2- perfect impact signing for us. Virtually guarantees a top 2 spot..

 

[Cappy]

Further emphasis on experience needed in JTW, multiple times in today's press conference. I just don't see him bringing in any of these rumoured youngsters on loan. Twitter rumour people have to get their clicks though, I suppose

 

[S64 Blade]

If we are bringing in 3, I’d say 1 youngster like Barry or similar and 2 experienced players would be a good split. I do think more of an emphasis on experience, overall, given we have quite a young side.

 

[Shadota]

Further emphasis on experience needed in JTW, multiple times in today's press conference. I just don't see him bringing in any of these rumoured youngsters on loan. Twitter rumour people have to get their clicks though, I suppose

I think the fact we've got loan spaces to still take advantage of, is carrying a lot of responsibility for us being linked to young players. If they're good enough for us to be interested at the top of the Championship, then the parent clubs aren't likely to want to sell, especially not in January, hence a loan becomes the only possibility. They will want to monitor the development and see if these players might be able to handle this level, to gauge their likelihood of thriving in the PL.

Realistically, we need players of a similar demographic to Souttar. Someone who has been around the block to a degree, but will still have a solid amount of time left in their career. I wouldn't be displeased were we to get a young player in who would improve the side, but we do need experience to ensure we aren't in a Sunderland-esque position - a squad crammed full of youth, who struggle to handle situations that an old head might thrive in.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Wilder has already said he hopes the squad will be more experienced by the end of January

 

[AWetFlannel]

Further emphasis on experience needed in JTW, multiple times in today's press conference. I just don't see him bringing in any of these rumoured youngsters on loan. Twitter rumour people have to get their clicks though, I suppose

Barry would be a fantastic signing though, despite his age. He's played lots of senior football and has scored a lot of goals in a position we're short in. He needs a loan higher up, so why not us?

 

[Cappy]

Barry would be a fantastic signing though, despite his age. He's played lots of senior football and has scored a lot of goals in a position we're short in. He needs a loan higher up, so why not us?

I don't disagree, I'm just not sure Wilder wants to take risks on inexperience. 'Inexperience' could also include those not experienced at this level

 

[AWetFlannel]

I don't disagree, I'm just not sure Wilder wants to take risks on inexperience. 'Inexperience' could also include those not experienced at this level

I also agree, was saying the same to my dad the other day that Wilder will have a few Hanson's, Madine's etc lined up for a promotion push if he has the money.

I suppose the takeover could radically change things - let's bid £12mill for Barry!

 

[FriethBlade]

Barry would be a fantastic signing though, despite his age. He's played lots of senior football and has scored a lot of goals in a position we're short in. He needs a loan higher up, so why not us?

Villa will want him somewhere where hes playing regularly and we can't guarantee that with our formation and Moore, Campbell and Brewster ahead of him

 

[Old Programme seller]

The problem I see with having a squad with lots of loan players is the Nottingham Forest issue where they gained promotion with only half a team of their own players and had to buy just about anyone to fill spaces and they were very lucky to stay up with a points deduction because of over spending plus the players they bought weren’t really that much better than they had (well probably a bit better) . I’d love a landmark signing but I know it’s not going to happen as that would be one hell of a gamble but long term if we gain promotion it sounds (ha ha) sensible.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Villa will want him somewhere where hes playing regularly and we can't guarantee that with our formation and Moore, Campbell and Brewster ahead of him

I think he could play on the left of our three instead of Hamer, I see him as more of a winger though he's clearly done both.

 

[robbiez666]

You loan a Moore competition striker. You loan a Vini competition midfielder. That's all we really need.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Tried and trusted all the way for me right now, given where we are. We have plenty of up and coming young talent of our own already, but need to bolster this with people who are good enough / know how to get it over the line.
Do our longer term shopping in the summer, when we know which division we are in, and the budget we are working to, and have time to bed them into a new team and/or system. Right now, we need people who are ready to go from a 'cold' start. Wilder will pick those who still have something to prove ( step forward BBD), and leave alone the easy pay cheque hunters.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

24 to 28 year olds with option to buy is hopefully the market we are in.

Pecks first season, one 18 etc