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I hope Wilder can run or cycle to vicarage road from his new house as he was looking a bit portly to me on bbc last week. Really hope he does well there.
 
I think the Watford job should come with the tagline: Wanted, Another Tit For Organising Rancid Decisions
 
Hamandcheese said:
That is an absolutely terrible fit for him
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In many ways I agree.....does seem a bit left field but both Wilder and Watford are now more desperate and can't pick and choose.

Watford have tried all the "good fits", appointing foreign managers and they've all failed miserably.
So they are trying something totally different using an old school English manager, at least Wilder is hugely experienced at this level.
Also Graham Taylor was an old school English manager from up north and he didn't do too badly for them.

Regards Wilder his stock seems to have suffered and think his realistic choices are now lower Championship/ higher league 1 level.
So when you consider Watford's recent PL background, the fact that they still have a chance of the play-offs
Then you can see the attraction. Suspect Wilder is attracted by the challenge. Watford is known as the "managers graveyard".
So in a way Wider has nothing to lose, if he struggles he can easily blame the ownership, don't think his stock would suffer than much.
 
It's a very multi national squad and I don't see them responding to him at all

They might as well have stuck with Rob Edwards, looking at the job he's doing at Luton

Wilder will be buzzing to pick up this quality of squad though, it's easily top 2 standard. He's lucky to stumble upon such a squad given his recent record. He'll love having Choudhury and Davis. They're used to playing with the back 3 as well which might help him
 
Brave choice for him as his CV will take another battering if it all goes pear shaped. Hope it works out for him and he's able to buck the trend there but Watford as a club aspire to great things and are not patient.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
No way. If he manages to get into the play offs / even promoted - he'll earn a new contract... He'll almost certainly be sacked by Christmas with another pay out stuffed in his back pocket!!
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Ageeed it’s a great move, and he needed to take job soonest. You very quickly become yesterday’s man / the forgotten man in football. Time moves on.

He’s got the tv summarisers work to fall back on but it’s not a natural fit, he’s too opinionated and honest for that to be a career path.

It’s win win at Watford and could put to bed his image as an old fashioned English coach only able to manage English players.

Given how quickly carrick turned boro around clearly he’d done good work there and it was unlucky it didn’t work out for him there.

I’ll follow Watford with genuine interest now, let’s hope he/they beat some of the teams around us!!
 



IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
No way. If he manages to get into the play offs / even promoted - he'll earn a new contract... He'll almost certainly be sacked by Christmas with another pay out stuffed in his back pocket!!
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Having never been sacked in his career he might be aiming for 3 sackings in a couple of years to make up for it
 
Good move for him, he can't lose. Currently they're not expecting 100% to make play offs, he gets them in he might get a 12 month contract (sacked in 6-8 months regardless of how he performs with these owners = payoff). If he fails he still gets a decent wedge and walks away at the end of the season.

Personally I think he'll do well, they've got some decent players and they have had quite a few injuries which can't last forever. Good luck to him.

Plus it keeps him out of the boozer and on a pitch!
 
N20 Blade said:
Ageeed it’s a great move, and he needed to take job soonest. You very quickly become yesterday’s man / the forgotten man in football. Time moves on.

He’s got the tv summarisers work to fall back on but it’s not a natural fit, he’s too opinionated and honest for that to be a career path.

It’s win win at Watford and could put to bed his image as an old fashioned English coach only able to manage English players.

Given how quickly carrick turned boro around clearly he’d done good work there and it was unlucky it didn’t work out for him there.

I’ll follow Watford with genuine interest now, let’s hope he/they beat some of the teams around us!!
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I've no axe to grind with Wilder but I'd suggest that the fact that Michael Carrick, in his first full time manager role, has been able to turn around Boro's season to the extent that he has would suggest that while Wilder's recruitment was good, his tactics and man-management were lacking.

Watford is an interesting one. The players have no loyalty and nor do they need any as they know that the lifespan of a manager there is about 4-8 months. Will Wilder get the buy-in and commitment he needs from them?
 
N20 Blade said:
Ageeed it’s a great move, and he needed to take job soonest. You very quickly become yesterday’s man / the forgotten man in football. Time moves on.

He’s got the tv summarisers work to fall back on but it’s not a natural fit, he’s too opinionated and honest for that to be a career path.

It’s win win at Watford and could put to bed his image as an old fashioned English coach only able to manage English players.

Given how quickly carrick turned boro around clearly he’d done good work there and it was unlucky it didn’t work out for him there.

I’ll follow Watford with genuine interest now, let’s hope he/they beat some of the teams around us!!
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The only game they have left against anyone in the top half of the table is Luton so that's not a runner.
 
Irrespective of our opinions about how Wilder left United - and plenty of those have been canvassed to death on here - I can’t help feeling that it is still sad to see how the past 3 years have panned out for him and to be reminded of how the hope and promise that we had as a club, evaporated.

In March 2020, the whole club seemed to be so together and rising inexorably. Some were even saying Wilder and Knill could be our ‘Clough and Taylor’. It finally looked like we might be building something substantial.

We know what happened then, of course, to throw us off course. Typical Sheffield United, I suppose. Is it any wonder most of us are pessimists?

And it seems pretty clear that Wilder had some sort of breakdown to the point that he ‘couldn’t do this anymore’.

I recall saying when it was confirmed he was leaving, the day before the match at Leicester, that I couldn’t see how Wilder could ever have anything in the future that would measure up to what he walked away from. Living in your home city (having a brand spanking new gaff built) and managing your own club, after working your way up the rungs: how could it get any better than that? Anything else in the future was bound to be a comedown.

Eventually, he ended up at Middlesbrough. A decent enough club with an owner who has shown his commitment to trying to make them the best they can be, for 30 years or so. But, ultimately, it was just, well, Middlesbrough. How can you really get excited about that, especially when comparing it to what you had? And, it was obvious whenever he was on the telly - the same energy and glint just wasn’t there.

He now finds himself taking a turn on the Watford merry-go-round. I mean, come on… sodding Watford, for God’s sake? Obviously, plenty of jobbing managers take their turn and the money for that gig, and now Wilder gets to have a go.

It’s just sad, though. Going from seemingly building a dynasty at your own club and being the new big thing to being the latest short-term fix at some nothing club run by idiots.

I can’t imagine Wilder is likely to be fired up by this latest job…
 
Listening to Wilder speak, this is a different Wilder to the one at Boro. He's got his spark back, that's a dangerous Wilder to be up against, the type that achieves great things. I expect Watford to be at it now.

The Wilder at Boro was still hurting, not psychologically over how things ended here, grumpy, not focused. It wasn't the right job or the right time.
 
Balham Blade said:
I've no axe to grind with Wilder but I'd suggest that the fact that Michael Carrick, in his first full time manager role, has been able to turn around Boro's season to the extent that he has would suggest that while Wilder's recruitment was good, his tactics and man-management were lacking.

Watford is an interesting one. The players have no loyalty and nor do they need any as they know that the lifespan of a manager there is about 4-8 months. Will Wilder get the buy-in and commitment he needs from them?
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Fair point re Boro, it was just the speed of the recovery that surprised me. Given what an awful start they had, it has been some turnaround.

I completely agree about the man management, he seemed to throw the players under the bus very early this season and appeared to be absolving himself of responsibility. It worked initially with us e.g. Hull away but the Leicester rant was the first sign of him losing his grip.

That approach will definitely not work at Watford as you’ve explained. He’ll have to be diplomatic. Can he be though?
 
“I’ve signed to the end of the season, and I’d like our season to be ending by me walking up the steps at Wembley to get a trophy.

“One thing to remember is that 11 games is very nearly a quarter of a season. People will look at the top two and think it’s done and dusted. I think top spot is, but not second place.”

So he thinks second spot is still available but he‘d prefer not to get it..?
 
Thats arguably the best squad wilder has ever worked with

Defffo worth a fallawfield pound on them for the Play offssss
 
LS16Blade said:
the latest short-term fix at some nothing club run by idiots.
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I’m not sure they’re as idiotic as they seem. They’ve spent good money and had very decent spells in the top flight. Their recruitment must have been decent, and there must be a degree of continuity above the managerial role.

At United we seem to have had owners whose football strategy is to pick a manager and let him run the show. That’s also a form of idiocy to my mind.
 



N20 Blade said:
Ageeed it’s a great move, and he needed to take job soonest. You very quickly become yesterday’s man / the forgotten man in football. Time moves on.

He’s got the tv summarisers work to fall back on but it’s not a natural fit, he’s too opinionated and honest for that to be a career path.

It’s win win at Watford and could put to bed his image as an old fashioned English coach only able to manage English players.

Given how quickly carrick turned boro around clearly he’d done good work there and it was unlucky it didn’t work out for him there.

I’ll follow Watford with genuine interest now, let’s hope he/they beat some of the teams around us!!
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Old fashioned English coach was the big thing three years back and played the most inventive football in the English league - according to many who are much more qualified than us lot on here

Good luck to him - hope he gets them up and recovers his confidence and standing in the game

Now -let’s move on
 
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