Wilder needs to remember where he was before SUFC

[FMBlade1]

We all know Wilder is ambitious and would like to see that matched with the set-up and organisation of the club.

In my opinion I don't think Wilder's ambition and success here has brought about a sense of arrogance and entitlement yet, although it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that it has.

There is no question that he has done extremely well here. That said, from the outside he was given a job at a big club in league one with a significant budget for the division. Anything but promotion would have been considered a huge failure.

This season is different as we have punched above our weight, though dipped off significantly at the end which will have been noted from the outside.

If Wilder were to leave I have no doubt he could get some offers in the championship but there's no guarantee their projects and status will be much better than at ours. If he left now and say Norwich sack their manager in October could you really imagine him being their first choice and the fans being inspired by his appointment? How many championship clubs would want him? Perhaps:

Burton, Bolton, Barnsley, Birmingham, Reading, Hull, Forest, QPR, Ipswich, Millwall, Brentford, Preston. Do they really have more to offer than us?

Before SUFC Wilder has spent his time in the lower leagues, SUFC offered him a significant promotion and opportunity to progress his career.

Wilder has done well, but he's not as highly rated on the outside as we'd perhaps think. No larger clubs approached him even when we were flying.

Hope he stays of course, if he left would wish him all the best without resentment but wouldn't be surprised if things didn't work out.

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[Eric Cartman]

I don't agree with much you say, because you're normally talking about Ched Evans, but I do agree here.
Chris is getting a bit above his station and it's grating on a few.

That being said, the fact he's had no contact from either owner since saturday is unbelievable.

 

[Dec]

Why would Millwall, Hull, Preston and Brentford be looking for a new manager? To name the most obvious ones of those you listed.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As of this moment we don't know what the situation is regarding, well, anything and are like a pack of rabid dogs, now turning on the manager because barking at the board hasn't worked.

 

[FMBlade1]

Why would Millwall, Hull, Preston and Brentford be looking for a new manager? To name the most obvious ones of those you listed.

Of course I agree, but say he resigned now and there is an opening at these clubs sometime next season (either by sacking or managers moving on) I think he would be considered, even then there's no guarantee he'd get appointed. Point is, are those clubs significantly ahead of us? Wilder wouldn't have any really affinity to them either.

Neil Harris at Millwall has been more impressive for starters.

 

[SB_90]

I don't get after self imposed rumours, why wilder has gone from god to the devil in space of a few weeks. we know wilder is competive guy. who wont settle for average & is he's never satisfied a trait, all the greatest sportsman have. ok he is being a bit more blunt & direct than people are used to. but he is getting no answers of for the last week that we know of he could've been privately asking this since February or march we don't know

He wants us to be back next season proving it wasn't a fluke & challenging for the play offs every yr like we were for majority of 2000s, try to make the premier league. Now thats a good thing & he only saying what we all think. because if us the fans can see that as great as they done for us. we need at least 5 new quality players 1 or 2 in both centre back & forwards. medium term wilder or not. the next manager is going to want or have to spend the same money anyway we aren't saving anything & I know who i rather trust with £8-10m. we dont want to get complacent & end up like reading In consective years, in their final game might see them exit the championship 16/17 thru front door potentially 17/18 thru back door

Also every football fan of any 92 clubs in england knows football especially after Leicester sacking ranieri or even early season rumours of Zidane at real madrid. Lets say mid january we are 22nd, Wilder has hypothetically stayed who gets the blame & sack. for poor results. despite his hands being tied

Wilder does

 

[itsinyerblood]

There's some right bollocks talked on here. It's as if the committee from the village hall have decided that no one shall leave the boundaries of the village because.....well simply because they mustn't leave.

Firstly, no one, let me repeat, no one on this forum has a clue what's going on with Wilder. Yet the noises that emanate (sorry Eric, that's close to a long word, I know how much you hate words that have more than two syllables) from some on here are the height of twattishness. Get a grip pal, you're clueless and if you had a clue at least you'd be appreciated, but as things stand you have all the insight of the rear end of a panto horse.

 

[56yearsablade]

Of course I agree, but say he resigned now and there is an opening at these clubs sometime next season (either by sacking or managers moving on) I think he would be considered, even then there's no guarantee he'd get appointed. Point is, are those clubs significantly ahead of us? Wilder wouldn't have any really affinity to them either.

Neil Harris at Millwall has been more impressive for starters.

Of course I agree, but say he resigned now and there is an opening at these clubs sometime next season (either by sacking or managers moving on) I think he would be considered, even then there's no guarantee he'd get appointed. Point is, are those clubs significantly ahead of us? Wilder wouldn't have any really affinity to them either.

Neil Harris at Millwall has been more impressive for starters.

The discussions here are subjective as far as whether CW would necessarily succeed elsewhere - the undeniable reality is that if he leaves the heartbeat of the club will have gone - his successor will have two chances to succeed slim and none - we will lose at least 3 quality players and it would be a great bet to immediately put serous money on us going down and Sunderland getting promoted - let’s be real CW is the magic dust and like someone posted yesterday watching this unfold is like watching a fatal car crash in slow motion - it is excecustribg in the extreme !!

 

[Ginger Gnome]

I think he does remember where he was, he just got promoted to League 1. Since then he did very well with us in League 1, signs players from League 1, now wants to drop a division to League 1. He'd probably struggle to fail there if he got the right backing.

He's got a lot of deserved goodwill from the fans as he is one too and he's been brilliant since he's been here, but he's risking dividing the fanbase with his threats to leave, and even if he ends up staying and gets the backing he wants, this will have done a bit of damage in the eyes of some people.

If he does go, the fractured remains that he leaves behind will be hard to overcome unless we get instant success without him.

 

[grafikhaus]

There is no question that he has done extremely well here. That said, from the outside he was given a job at a big club in league one with a significant budget for the division. Anything but promotion would have been considered a huge failure.

As were Nigel Clough and Adkins. Don't underestimate CW's achievement in (finally) getting us out of Division Three. When he arrived, the club was on its arse. We'd just finished 11th in the third tier and our 'achievements' that season included home defeats to Scunthorpe, Burton Albion, Peterborough, Shrewsbury and Colchester. Port Vale, Crewe, Bury, Rochdale and Southend beat us away from Bramall Lane.

Being a 'big club' in League One counts for fuck all, as Sunderland might find out. Hopefully without CW.

 

[56yearsablade]

I think he does remember where he was, he just got promoted to League 1. Since then he did very well with us in League 1, signs players from League 1, now wants to drop a division to League 1. He'd probably struggle to fail there if he got the right backing.

He's got a lot of deserved goodwill from the fans as he is one too and he's been brilliant since he's been here, but he's risking dividing the fanbase with his threats to leave, and even if he ends up staying and gets the backing he wants, this will have done a bit of damage in the eyes of some people.

If he does go, the fractured remains that he leaves behind will be hard to overcome unless we get instant success without him.

I think he does remember where he was, he just got promoted to League 1. Since then he did very well with us in League 1, signs players from League 1, now wants to drop a division to League 1. He'd probably struggle to fail there if he got the right backing.

He's got a lot of deserved goodwill from the fans as he is one too and he's been brilliant since he's been here, but he's risking dividing the fanbase with his threats to leave, and even if he ends up staying and gets the backing he wants, this will have done a bit of damage in the eyes of some people.

If he does go, the fractured remains that he leaves behind will be hard to overcome unless we get instant success without him.

If he stays there will be no naysayers whatsoever - we will all be eternally grateful to him for the decision

 

[DronnieBlade]

Putting all of the rumours, what might or might not happen to one side.

Wilder owes the club, it’s players and its supporters JACK SHIT.

One or two might do well to consider this !!!

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[Kevincarterversion2.0]

While I get what you are saying, as in SUFC has been a very good fit for Wilder and there is no guarantee he would succeed elsewhere, it's a bit of a 'Blades Way' attitude i.e. that somebody who has a bit of ambition is getting above their station.

The problem is ultimately being created by the board. To lose a manager who has almost got us in the playoffs at Championship level to a L1 side would be pretty humilating for us (although I still think if he does go it would be to a Championship or lower end PL club - as dropping to L1 after proving yourself at Championship level is a massive risk for CW career-wise).

At times I absolutely hate our board.

 

[Davalon]

As of this moment we don't know what the situation is regarding, well, anything and are like a pack of rabid dogs, now turning on the manager because barking at the board hasn't worked.

Give it time and if nothing is heard from the owners, and Wilder speaks again, there will be more lurching to the 'fuck Him, He's no Blade, no-one's bigger than the club, He's only had one season in the Championship and ballsed up.the second half...' etc etc etc.

Jesus we're all concerned what may happen but the season hasn't even finished and some knees have already jerked out of their sockets.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Wilder wasn't given a league one promotion team. He was given a mess. When hd joined us he was a league one manager. He was still a league one manager after joined us. we didn't move him up the ladder , he moved us.

 

[SwissBlade]

As of this moment we don't know what the situation is regarding, well, anything and are like a pack of rabid dogs, now turning on the manager because barking at the board hasn't worked.

And this proves a point... Because Wilder is the only one making noise, it creates a bit of confusion.

And now on here, you're either backing him against the regime or you're not...

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

I'm not sure that the over-stimulated child approach to events yet to unfold is the best way to go about things really.
You can usually end up looking a bit daft in the cold light of day.

 

[grafikhaus]

Putting all of the rumours, what might or might not happen to one side.

Wilder owes the club, it’s players and its supporters JACK SHIT.

One or two might do well to consider this !!!

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Thankfully our magnificent supporters don't think we 'owe the club JACK SHIT' or we are in trouble.

 

[Kenilworth]

Wilder is doing what he can to force the owners into action. That's all he is doing at this stage. He's pointing out consequences should the situation not be resolved. He's not actually threatened to quit he has merely pointed out that any football club can't work without direction and a plan - and nor can any manager and his staff.

I've no doubt he will make the tough decision if we are still in this mess and there looks to be no chance of a solution for months to come.

What's the alternative?
He says nowt and drifts into the new season without any player recruitment or direction?
Just not like him.
He is proactive to win games of football and he is being proactive to force a resolution to the shit going on above him now.

 

[Esablade]

So.......’doff yer cap and get back in yer box Chris..you ungrateful get’

Ok.

Think that calls for a bit of Cher and some blokes in sailor suits...

 

[steve26272]

Putting all of the rumours, what might or might not happen to one side.

Wilder owes the club, it’s players and its supporters JACK SHIT.

One or two might do well to consider this !!!

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he owes us JACK SHIT?
Really?
McCabe gave him the move he desired,
probably quadrupling his wages in a little over 12 months.
he backed him in JTW with the players he wanted, which turned out to be a maybe and 3 failures.
the fans have given him unswerving support, despite some questionable tactical & personnel decisions

I'm not saying he owes us, but we shouldn't be smoking him off everyday he graces us with his attendance.
it's 50/50.
i think his game management has cost us enough points in the last 5 mins of games that we should have been in the play offs.
if Madkins had got us to tip, then presided over the Nov-May run, i think we would be calling for his head.
i want Wilder to stay, but he's not Guardiola managing many levels below his rightful stage, were probably about right for each other.
he should do well to to remember that.

 

[PokerBlade]

The questions Wilder has to battle with are: has he taken us as far as our budget constraints will let him? If not, just how far can we progress?

If the answer is that this is the best he thinks he can do with us, and if he thinks things might be even harder next season, he has to consider whether staying put will hurt his career. Right now, I would think he could put his name in the hat for any Championship position. If we do as well, or worse, next season, that won't be the case. He's risking a backward step by staying with us. Without assurances from the board, that's a big risk to his career progression.

I think everyone feels that the ideal scenario for everyone is that Wilder stays put and Sheffield United move forward with him at the helm. What none of us know is whether that's feasible with the boardroom in disarray. If things go through at Sunderland then everyone knows Wilder is capable of taking them straight back up and, with money in hand, a step up again. The concern for me is that that seems like a more plausible scenario than our board getting sorted and fronting some cash to make things happen here. And I think that's Wilder's problem too.

 

[DronnieBlade]

he owes us JACK SHIT?
Really?
McCabe gave him the move he desired,
probably quadrupling his wages in a little over 12 months.
he backed him in JTW with the players he wanted, which turned out to be a maybe and 3 failures.
the fans have given him unswerving support, despite some questionable tactical & personnel decisions

I'm not saying he owes us, but we shouldn't be smoking him off everyday he graces us with his attendance.
it's 50/50.
i think his game management has cost us enough points in the last 5 mins of games that we should have been in the play offs.
if Madkins had got us to tip, then presided over the Nov-May run, i think we would be calling for his head.
i want Wilder to stay, but he's not Guardiola managing many levels below his rightful stage, were probably about right for each other.
he should do well to to remember that.

Can’t dispute that. I have been one of a very select few that have consistently questioned some of his judgements.

That said, I’m not the manager that romped to 100 points (not CW fault we were in Div 3, blame others for that) and a deserving and memorable title winning campaign in his first 12 months. Nor am I the manager that has comfortably steered us to a successful (?) first season back in Div 2.

He is hugely “in credit”. Yes he wears his heart on his sleeve. With this perhaps comes the odd bad judgement call when it comes to media work. I would have to agree that the timing of this reflects badly. But are we aware just how long this has been brewing ?

It’s bourne of frustration, which in turn comes from a deep passion for the club and a desire to progress and succeed. Maybe one or two could cut a bit of slack in view of this.

In Wilder I trust.

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[Tom Bott]

At times I absolutely hate our board.

So the board were resposible for our dip in form since christmas ? despite having the same team bar Coutts.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Wilder owes us precisely nothing. When he was appointed he was in the hat for other jobs at other big league one clubs, and he could've taken an easier job. The squad he inherited was a shambles and the few bits of youthful quality he had were sold to fund the rebuild (DCL Adams, Ramsdale).I'd go as far as to say the only experienced quality he inherited was Billy Sharp.He rebuilt a piss poor squad whilst not spending more than 300k on a player.We smashed the league which is much better than Neil Harris achieved by the way. He would leave us with a squad worth millions.This season he hasn't spent more that 800k on a player, at a time when the club has recouped seven million in sell on clauses.Be careful what you wish for.
Wilder is using the leverage he has to try and move the club forward, no more no less.At the moment we're sleepwalking to league one - with or without Wilder

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

We all know Wilder is ambitious and would like to see that matched with the set-up and organisation of the club.

In my opinion I don't think Wilder's ambition and success here has brought about a sense of arrogance and entitlement yet, although it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that it has.

There is no question that he has done extremely well here. That said, from the outside he was given a job at a big club in league one with a significant budget for the division. Anything but promotion would have been considered a huge failure.

This season is different as we have punched above our weight, though dipped off significantly at the end which will have been noted from the outside.

If Wilder were to leave I have no doubt he could get some offers in the championship but there's no guarantee their projects and status will be much better than at ours. If he left now and say Norwich sack their manager in October could you really imagine him being their first choice and the fans being inspired by his appointment? How many championship clubs would want him? Perhaps:

Burton, Bolton, Barnsley, Birmingham, Reading, Hull, Forest, QPR, Ipswich, Millwall, Brentford, Preston. Do they really have more to offer than us?

Before SUFC Wilder has spent his time in the lower leagues, SUFC offered him a significant promotion and opportunity to progress his career.

Wilder has done well, but he's not as highly rated on the outside as we'd perhaps think. No larger clubs approached him even when we were flying.

Hope he stays of course, if he left would wish him all the best without resentment but wouldn't be surprised if things didn't work out.

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Nobody approached him because they could see how committed he was to his boyhood club who he supports and loves and blah blah blah.

That's why he's had to work alongside the media to try and tout himself for another job while his stock is still decent.

 

[Addison]

Manager decides to tell fans what happening raises legitimate concerns and gets told to get back in box FFS. Emotional Bladey black mail won't work with CW. His stock is now at an all time high and yet what he probably feared most before he took the job was Boardroom unrest and now its happened. Listen to his words yesterday " I never expected this when I signed my new contract 12 months ago".

He's in limbo and entitled to put pressure on the owners to get this resolved. He knows there are at least two suitors out there in WBA and Sunderland waiting. Why should he settle for a long drawn out ownership battle through the Courts that wrecks next seasons preparations when he could be managing a war chest backed by parachute payments at either of the the two clubs mentioned. He's ambitious and wants to manage in the Premiership preferably with SUFC but he won't accept backward steps.

The most concerning aspect of this is the lack of communication with CW by the Board in the last week. Thats not helping the situation and although litigation is ongoing there is nothing to stop either or both of the owners providing some verbal reassurance. If it is not forthcoming then it would confirm the relationship between the owners and the manager has completely broken down and if that happens then you can not criticise him if he decides to look elsewhere.

 

[bornablade]

Whatever the outcome there is one certainty - things have changed and what we've had since the start of last season will not be the same.

It's like being married and although you and your other half have had the odd fall out it's the day when you both have a huge bust up and she says things that have been under the surface for years. You make up but those comments are always there in the back of your mind.

Next season the chant 'He's one of our own' will have a hollow empty ring. Because he's not is he?

Similarly if Wilder stays and things don't go according to plan then he will always have an eye on results and performances elsewhere with a 'what if' thought in his head.

 

[andy m]

Whatever the outcome there is one certainty - things have changed and what we've had since the start of last season will not be the same.

It's like being married and although you and your other half have had the odd fall out it's the day when you both have a huge bust up and she says things that have been under the surface for years. You make up but those comments are always there in the back of your mind.

Next season the chant 'He's one of our own' will have a hollow empty ring. Because he's not is he?

Similarly if Wilder stays and things don't go according to plan then he will always have an eye on results and performances elsewhere with a 'what if' thought in his head.

Ever thought he is not doing this to serve himself. He could walk into a better job tomorrow.
Perhaps he is trying to push the owners into showing some ambition or fucking off and allowing somebody who does to take over.

 

[8lade]

Wilder owes the club, it’s players and its supporters JACK SHIT.

Wilder owes us precisely nothing.

Listen to his words yesterday " I never expected this when I signed my new contract 12 months ago".

He could walk into a better job tomorrow.

Do contracts count for nothing these days? Are they just a one sided agreement? Somebody tell me because whenever I've had one I've been expected to serve my time and give my notice, not just walk away from something because I didn't like it.