Wilder - My take ...

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Can’t disagree with any of that OP. The amount of people thinking we’d smash Leicester today if Wilder were here and wanting to remove the whole board instead is simply baffling.

We’ve been shit all season and the last bit of last season too. Some of that is injuries, luck, no crowds, COVID and so on.

Some of it is CW, deciding to not change a system that is clearly not working and making us look out of place in a league we’ve earned the right to play in.

It’s gutting he’s gone, but if he can’t adapt and change to progress the club on or off the field then for me he’s right to walk.
 



Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
Absolutely spot on Pomps, as ever. The bloody world hasn’t ended, we’ll be fine. The years up to last March were incredible and I’ll never forget what a job he did and bringing the club together. However, as the hysteria passes and people reflect objectively, they might just remember that last season, when we were rolling, CW was happy to take the personal plaudits for his tactical genius in shaping silk purses out of sows ears. This season, the players are shit and none of it is his fault. Professional football is a big business and no one person, in isolation, can make success of it. Pep and all the other top coaches have an army of trusted people around them. Personally, I think CW will get another Championship job, he’ll probably get them promoted, what happens then? I’m not sure but I wouldn’t bet against a repeat of what we’ve just seen.
 
My take......

Club retard returns with a bang.

The club has invested heavily and promoted this “One of our own” strap line for 4 years. It’s brought fans closer to the club that anytime I can remember, it’s brought 2 promotions and a 9th place finish in the ‘best league in the world’. It’s now been undone because one or both parties have shown too much stubbornness to come to a sensible agreement and take the club forwards.

We’ve got the youth teams playing 3-5-2 to mirror the first team. All that will go to shit now as we have to adapt to someone else’s style.

It’s this that I have an issue with. If you are going to chop and change managers then don’t bother investing in the fabric of the club like we have because it’s all gone to shit now.

Those who like Berge, we’ll never see him play again. I suspect it’s the last season for people like Egan, O’Connell and Fleck as they have been part of the ‘journey’ with Wilder.

Billy Sharp now becomes a very important part of the squad as he’s the link to fans and the only ‘one of our own’ left at the club.

As you can tell I’m a bit doom and gloom, it’s a wank decision by whoever made it and we’ll regress massively as a result.
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
Ha plenty of disagreements before, butnon this 'takes i cant agree any more.

Spon on.
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
What a refreshing change that makes Pomps from all the blubbering OSCAR acceptance speeches we’ve seen over the last couple of days.
I’ve seen more strength of character,perspective and intelligence in a goldfish bowl than I’ve seen on here lately,I hope I’m not sitting next to any of em
next season.
UTB.
 
My take......

Club retard returns with a bang.

The club has invested heavily and promoted this “One of our own” strap line for 4 years. It’s brought fans closer to the club that anytime I can remember, it’s brought 2 promotions and a 9th place finish in the ‘best league in the world’. It’s now been undone because one or both parties have shown too much stubbornness to come to a sensible agreement and take the club forwards.

We’ve got the youth teams playing 3-5-2 to mirror the first team. All that will go to shit now as we have to adapt to someone else’s style.

It’s this that I have an issue with. If you are going to chop and change managers then don’t bother investing in the fabric of the club like we have because it’s all gone to shit now.

Those who like Berge, we’ll never see him play again. I suspect it’s the last season for people like Egan, O’Connell and Fleck as they have been part of the ‘journey’ with Wilder.

Billy Sharp now becomes a very important part of the squad as he’s the link to fans and the only ‘one of our own’ left at the club.

As you can tell I’m a bit doom and gloom, it’s a wank decision by whoever made it and we’ll regress massively as a result.
'Club retard'

That me then?

pommpey
 
My take......

Club retard returns with a bang.

The club has invested heavily and promoted this “One of our own” strap line for 4 years. It’s brought fans closer to the club that anytime I can remember, it’s brought 2 promotions and a 9th place finish in the ‘best league in the world’. It’s now been undone because one or both parties have shown too much stubbornness to come to a sensible agreement and take the club forwards.

We’ve got the youth teams playing 3-5-2 to mirror the first team. All that will go to shit now as we have to adapt to someone else’s style.

It’s this that I have an issue with. If you are going to chop and change managers then don’t bother investing in the fabric of the club like we have because it’s all gone to shit now.

Those who like Berge, we’ll never see him play again. I suspect it’s the last season for people like Egan, O’Connell and Fleck as they have been part of the ‘journey’ with Wilder.

Billy Sharp now becomes a very important part of the squad as he’s the link to fans and the only ‘one of our own’ left at the club.

As you can tell I’m a bit doom and gloom, it’s a wank decision by whoever made it and we’ll regress massively as a result.
I really hope you are wrong but sadly I think you will be right.
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey

"And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years".

pommpey
Agreed. The response of some fans has been totally embarrassing. A sign of the times I suppose in this polarized country where you simply have to take sides and do it to an extreme level.
The reaction of some is reminiscent of when Lady Di died, hysterical nonsense.
 
Absolutely agree. Although I would have given Wilder a season in the Championship to right the wrongs.

Judging by some of the bed wetting on here the though, the next manager is going to get zero chance to make his mark.

It's a time for calm heads. As the next big decisions will make their mark for the next 4 or 5 years.

If we do not stay United in our support of the club then we could become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Keep your heads lads. We need to move on and get behind the team.

No one is bigger than the club.
 



'Club retard'

That me then?

pommpey
Nope, that’s my affectionate name for Sheffield United Football Club.

You know the cartoon where the character just gets up and keeps running into a wall and getting knocked down again, that’s a microcosm of the Blades behaviour and decision making.
 
It is quite incredible, and rather sweet, how so many fans have completely kept faith with Chris Wilder this season, as if it's definitely all just a blip and caused by our wage bill.

It's sweet because there isn't much loyalty shown in football and fans are notoriously bipolar with their opinions on performances and future predictions swinging wildly on the basis of one result. With so many defeats - I don't even know how many we've had - and so many abject ones at that, it's amazing that the majority of the fanbase is up in arms about his departure.

Personally, I reckon this season has exploded a few myths. A genuine tactical genius would have managed more than however many points we've currently got, even with this motley crew, which for some reason, never explained so far as I've heard, still includes Rodwell.

We have several players who should be nowhere near the squad of a serious Premier League club unless we were just signing them to make up the home-grown quotient, but we famously don't sign foreigners so that can't be it. Nevertheless, even with injuries, we have mostly been able to field what should be a competitive side. And we have a forward for every day of the week except Saturday.

Yet we've seen his stubborness in clinging to the system which defines him, even though it's been patently obvious for months that it doesn't work any more.

I didn't want him to go either, mostly because I wanted to see if he could repair the damage caused this season for which he has somehow avoided much blame in most quarters. Now that he has, though, it's a bit of a relief, but I feel sorry for whoever takes over as they're not going to be judged by normal United standards. Can you imagine if some poor bastard had taken over during last summer, and what the reaction would have been to this season's performances?

Now, unless we're in the automatic promotion frame from the start next season, we're going to hear how we would have been if only we'd kept Wilder. Anyone taking this job will need a huge ego, or need to be absolutely desperate, so I'm not entirely hopeful either way, but we shall see. It had to happen eventually.
There's only two candidates then. One is at Tottenham, the other at Middlesbrough. The latter might be a better fit for both sentiments.
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey

Whilst I will normally argue that night is day, with you, nowt wrong with that.

A bit odd that you mention the Prince/McCabe fight. No manager is going to side with one party and piss off the other. It wasn't Wilder's fight.

Otherwise you are spot on, especially the last paragraph.

Love and kisses

ISC
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
Thankyou bang on the money pompy
 
Good assessment Pommpey. I actually thought for quite a bit of the first half we weren't too bad, but on reflection I think Leicester were playing with us, like my cat would with a mouse. I don't know if most teams have been a bit sympathetic over the season and have chosen to beat us without getting out of 2nd gear, but Leicester were having none of it, and ended up doing what many teams could if they'd chosen to. It was car crash football, a game where you're fascinated by how many the opposition could score, even though you're horrified by what you're watching (again, like watching my cat eat a mouse whole outside my patio doors!!).
For the first time I really felt for Ramsdale, who was probably our best player, and he picked the ball out of the net 5 times.
Wilder was a good manager and motivator, and gave us some amazing times, but what happened this season, and especially today, is his shitshow coming home to roost.
 
For what its worth, a few thoughts I've reached over the last couple of days

Wilder has delivered some of the best moments many of us will have a blade in our lifetimes. Park this season, the prior 4 we will be talking about in 30 years years time - and we may never have it this good again. From this Wilder will go down as one of the greats, if not the greatest. Having "one of own" overseeing mades it even nore special.

Despite this he's clearly not infallible. He's also overseen one of the worst seasons we may ever experience, he's spent a lot of money for little return, he's managed some mind bogglingly bad performances and made some questionable decisions.

It's quite easy to be bold, balshy, uncompromising, "my way or the highway" vibes to the board when things are going swimmingly - less so when things turn sour.

We can throw accusations at the board, but very few will know the details of what has actually transpired over the last 6 months or even the last couple of days. To be clear, i thing they've dropped a bollock, got the decision wrong and made a massive unnecessary gamble - which is clearly dividing the fan base. However the more i think about it, the more I'm of the view it takes two to tango. There must have a situation / middle ground which both sides could have worked with and been happy to compromise views on. Which means both parties have there share of responsibility for the outcome.
This isn't strictly a criticism of Wilder, but just feels so unnecessary.

Urrghh.

Anyway onto the future... No one knows what's next. Wilder leaves us a relegated top flight club, which realistically puts us with playoffs next year as a minimum requirement to be considered successful, (even if its an unsuccessful playoff campaign...)

End of the day, whoever is in charge can deliver that or better still get us promoted my guess is we'll soon get over all this unpleasantness.

Regardless of what happens next, we need to back the team, the new manager and look forward.

Quite rambly and disjointed, but hey, its a confusing time.
 
Crux for me about the sadness of how it's all ended, is that we saw that Wilder could make us achieve. Even though this season has been a disaster looking from all angles, we still had hope that Wilder would make us achieve again, because he did it before.
That hope has now largely vanished. We dread the future because we have seen our past.
At nearly 59 years old, I thought at last we had a chance of being someone, being appreciated on the world stage even. Now those thoughts have evaporated, being replaced by ones that I will never see the like of last season again.

Of course I'll be buying season tickets again as soon as possible but as this moment in time, unfortunately all I can see ahead are doldrums.

There's talk of Eddie Howe possibly coming in (can't see it myself) but we're back to the same old story, we have no money to spend. Why would EH want to work in that environment with tied hands.
Personally I would like to see a progressive lower league manager who is able to take younger players to new levels (don't we all?). I really don't want a rider off the managerial merry-go-round.
Miserable old sod, Blacky........

I’m of a (very) slightly younger vintage but feel the same🙄
 
My take I've got a pal best mates for 5 years wonderlfull mate then stabs me up, should I carry on being mates?
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
As always, you've hit the nail well and truly on the head mate.

That was Wilder's team out there yesterday, the players he brought in, his and Knill's tactics and formation!
This has been a situation in the making for the last 12 months or so. Wilder didn't strengthen in the right areas, was stubborn in his pursuit of the players he bought.
That said, that team yesterday was shambolic and uninterested. It was like a team full on Lundstram's!
Whoever comes in to 'Coach' the team is going to need to perform major surgery to rectify this mess! 😒

As for the Prince. He's obviously building something. I don't know what, but this 'United World' brand must mean something and the Blades are the jewel in it's crown, so the loss of EPL status has a huge effect on the 'Global brand'.

Wilder is a stubborn man, yes he did wonders to get us to the EPL, but unfortunately he quickly became a dinosaur (I'm going to get hammered for that comment aren't I?)!
He failed to grasp the opportunity to establish ourselves as an EPL team with some very poor decisions (as you have already pointed out) and some equally poor signings.
His departure and that shambolic display yesterday, along with relegation back to the Championship, is the culmination of this!

Our Club is going to see some major changes and a lot of fans won't like it, but it's happening and we'd better get used to it!
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey

Quick google....

Heckingbottom surname - No known origins

The top profession for a Heckingbottom is "unpaid domestic duties" and apparently they have unusually short life spans as they tend to live in harsh conditions

:D
 

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