Why can't we question him?

[NordicHarry]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

 

[Rodley]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

CW gets questioned about every 30 seconds.

 

[Carlton Blade]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

You're literally doing the thing that the title of your post asks "why can't I do this". Free speech and all that. I think what you're asking is "why doesn't everyone agree with me". We've all been there. We have an opinion and we can't comprehend why everyone doesn't think the same.

 

[NordicHarry]

CW gets questioned about every 30 seconds.

Well I might have changed it to 25 seconds then

 

[Bladesman]

When you have no fully fit midfielders and only two senior centre backs to choose from you get a team setup like last night.

 

[NordicHarry]

You're literally doing the thing that the title of your post asks "why can't I do this". Free speech and all that. I think what you're asking is "why doesn't everyone agree with me". We've all been there. We have an opinion and we can't comprehend why everyone doesn't think the same.

A weird take, just raising a debate with a rhetorical question? This is what a forum is for no?

 

[Carlton Blade]

A weird take, just raising a debate with a rhetorical question? This is what a forum is for no?

"Why can't I question him?"
"You can. You just did"

If you wanted debate, you should probably have gone for a less provocative thread title.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Glad you started a new thread for this. Surprised you were allowed to post it though as questioning Wilder isnt allowed on here and never happens.

Thank God you're brave enough to say the unsayable.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

The January thing is what makes me piss. The way he was going off acting like we’d be moving quickly… it’s the 22nd and we’ve signed one player the likes of chong and McGuinness are still here. Very predictable though.

 

[bakeblade]

The January thing is what makes me piss. The way he was going off acting like we’d be moving quickly… it’s the 22nd and we’ve signed one player the likes of chong and McGuinness are still here. Very predictable though.

We needed McGuinness last night and will on again on Saturday.
If Hoever is an example of what we're bringing in, we might as well not bother

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

When you have no fully fit midfielders and only two senior centre backs to choose from you get a team setup like last night.

Can't disagree, but not picking Seriki and Brooks, and compounding that by starting Chong, Campbell and Cannon is absolutely at his door.

Had to watch the steam on the Southampton channel and their commentators were openly mocking how bad Cannon is/was!!

 

[Blade In Flame]

The January thing is what makes me piss. The way he was going off acting like we’d be moving quickly… it’s the 22nd and we’ve signed one player the likes of chong and McGuinness are still here. Very predictable though.

It's usually two cups of tea just before bed with me.

 

[Bladedog]

The January thing is what makes me piss. The way he was going off acting like we’d be moving quickly… it’s the 22nd and we’ve signed one player the likes of chong and McGuinness are still here. Very predictable though.

Yes..he was saying.. "we,re ready to go in January"...well we,re clearly not.

 

[nopigfansintown]

You can and did. Most people just don't with you which they're obviously not going to do when you write such a blinkered OP.

Not being able to see the connection between 1 and 2 and blaming him for 2 being a case in point. 4 is also delusional. He has by far the best transfer record of anyone at BL since at least Bassett. If last summer's transfer window was repeated this summer instead of the summer we'd got we'd now be preparing for automatic promotion. Instead we're scrambling around for loans to undo that expensive shitshow. There's very few players who aren't playing who deserve too. Brooks and Seriki were cooked from Saturday and the latter is carrying a knee issue. McCallum has just had stitches in his foot and came off injured. Jairo is injured. None of the others on the bench deserves a guranteed shirt.

 

[Gimli]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

I’m getting ‘you can’t say Merry Christmas anymore’ vibes from this.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The January thing is what makes me piss. The way he was going off acting like we’d be moving quickly… it’s the 22nd and we’ve signed one player the likes of chong and McGuinness are still here. Very predictable though.

To sell players you need bids for them

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

You can and did. Most people just don't with you which they're obviously not going to dwhen you write such a blinkered OP.

Not being able to see the connection between 1 and 2 and blaming him for 2 being a case in point. 4 is also delusional. He has by far the best transfer record of anyone at BL since at least Bassett. If last summer's transfer window was repeated this summer instead of the summer we'd got we'd now be preparing for automatic promotion. Instead we're scrambling around for loans to undo that expensive shitshow. There's very few players who aren't playing who deserve too. Brooks and Seriki were cooked from Saturday and the latter is carrying a knee issue. McCallum has just had stitches in his foot and came off injured. Jairo is injured. None of the others on the bench deserves a guranteed shirt.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Who do you think has done better? This should be good

 

[dingledog]

To sell players you need bids for them

I suspect you have identified the problem, until there are significant outgoings he cant bring players in. He has said, rightly so, the squad is too big, its bloated with players simply not good enough, and if they aren't good enough for us its highly likely they aren't good enough for other teams either, so a bit of a catch 22.

 

[The Fox]

What is this heresy I see before me .

 

[GrunkyPeep]

I’m getting ‘you can’t say Merry Christmas anymore’ vibes from this.

These days, you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say why can't we question him, don't you?

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Who do you think has done better? This should be good

Any of the managers that DIDN’T sign Brewster for £23.5m and payed him £7m in wages and then signed Cannon for £10m and paid him £5.2m in wages

 

[nopigfansintown]

Any of the managers that DIDN’T sign Brewster for £23.5m and payed him £7m in wages and then signed Cannon for £10m and paid him £5.2m in wages

So nobody then. Thanks for confirming

 

[Chimpan-A]

These days, you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say why can't we question him, don't you?

Really, when did this come in? You just get thrown in jail? Just for saying “why can’t we question him”?

 

[CPB]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

I'm not saying you can't question him but also have a bit of context.
We looked utterly dreadful under Selles and it took a while for performances to really start to turn round.
I genuinely thought we would do well to avoid relegation earlier in the season even after Wilder came in and we won a couple.

He like many other managers mixes the side up when we have 3 game weeks. It's to keep players fresher and try to minimize injuries.
Issue we have is that some of these players we are rotating I personally don't think are really quite good enough. So the quality of the starting line up fluctuates.
We also have a few injuries and of course 2 bans.

The squad was overhauled in the summer and it was overhauled quite poorly. With alot of money spent too.
Regardless of what manager came in after Selles they all would likely have seen this and wanted to change the squad a bit, meaning a change in direction.

When you mention signings by Wilder you can argue there have been some poor one's over the years absolutely.
But there's also been some cracking ones.
How can it be a very low % of actual good signings when he has previously delivered us success? (Are we ignoring Fleck, O'Connell, Baldock, McGoldrick, Duffy, Stevens... the list is too long to be honest. But is this too far in the past perhaps?)

But even right now with this current squad. I'd argue that Cooper, O'Hare, Bamford, Reidewald are good signings and are currently considered so.
Cooper hasn't been quite as good this season but still showed last night why he was a top keeper last term.

I'd also chuck in McCallum as a decent one. And last season no one would have questioned that Campbell and Burrows weren't decent signings too.
Their form has dropped this season but they were excellent last term as well. Chuck in Souttar and Choudhary as well from last year.

I don't think people can under estimate the repercussions of the Summer of 2025. New manager, new recruitment, new coaching methods.
The summer is when you also condition your players properly too. And we gambled it all on Selles.
Fine if we changed Wilder after the PO final, but what followed has knocked us right back.

 

[Rodley]

If you had to ask me about the issues we face as a fanbase, not feeling comfortable moaning isn’t one of them.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

It's usually two cups of tea just before bed with me.

Even if it's decaf, alas.

 

[Roygbiv]

The problem with all the Wilder debates is so many people are absolute in their argument. I think he's been brilliant since he came back but the last few weeks have raised a few old concerns. As long as he keeps us up then he should be kept on next season for me despite me not thinking he's the only man who could manage us like some others do.

Whenever we lose, we get loads of Wilder posts criticising everything about him and then loads of posts defending everything about him. It means you barely see a good debate about what he has got wrong or right after that particular game. You can think he's the right man for the moment without thinking everything he does is correct. You can think he's wrong man without thinking everything he does is right.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

The problem with all the Wilder debates is so many people are absolute in their argument. I think he's been brilliant since he came back but the last few weeks have raised a few old concerns. As long as he keeps us up then he should be kept on next season for me despite me not thinking he's the only man who could manage us like some others do.

Whenever we lose, we get loads of Wilder posts criticising everything about him and then loads of posts defending everything about him. It means you barely see a good debate about what he has got wrong or right after that particular game. You can think he's the right man for the moment without thinking everything he does is correct. You can think he's wrong man without thinking everything he does is right.

It reminds me of The Weekly Planet's movie review criteria.

Either best movie ever or worst movie ever. Nothing in between.

Build a statue or slash his tyres. Pick a side!

 

[Roygbiv]

It reminds me of The Weekly Planet's movie review criteria.

Either best movie ever or worst movie ever. Nothing in between.

Build a statue or slash his tyres. Pick a side!

There's a few fans who go on pro and anti Wilder propaganda tours after every defeat. Unless we go down he will be here next season and then we can have a serious debate about whether he's actually the right man or not. There's way too many caveats to judge him on this season.