Who on here still thinks ...

[LBA_Blade]

I'm yet to see how it was a good idea.

If you want to make that change from a manager who got 92 points and nearly took you up in the playoffs. You have your right man lined up.

We got rid and then deliberated to appoint Selles. Based on what? Scraping safety at Hull and some relatively promising stuff at Reading.
And then because he can "embrace the data"

The main data that counts is of course results. And during games it's how many chances you create and score and how many chances you give the opposition and concede. Because it will even out if you get that metric right.

We have scored one goal and conceded 12 in 5 games. And let's be honest we could have scored maybe 3 or 4 more across those games but we could have conceded at least another 3 or 4 so it's not like we can feel too hard done too.

The problem with football like most professional sports is that we don’t see/hear the conversations that went on in the board room. The new owners might have said they can’t work with Wilder due to his head strong and off field antics or they may have gone yes 92 points but wasn’t 100 like the 2 that went up and we couldn’t win a playoff final. We don’t know who has was talked to before the Selles appointment. The one thing I will give him, is that he talks a good game and comes over well. When you are looking for a new direction. One team to look at is Fulham when they were relegated they appointed Marco Silva, had a relegation on his cv and a few bits abroad but not much else and they absolutely smashed the championship to pieces.

 

[Foxy]

If you want to make that change from a manager who got 92 points and nearly took you up in the playoffs. You have your right man lined up.

He was chosen by them as they’d decided he was the man.

My argument would be, regardless of your thoughts on him or whether you think it’s a good idea, if you were making such a big call and a change in this style… you back yourself and follow it through…

Shoe in to transition to a new off the pitch football structure, director of football, clearly defined plan on recruitment, succession planning and back the lot. Youve decided to get rid of the furniture and man with his fingers everywhere, so do it and back yourself.

Not hang your man out to dry, try and get by then have a last minute influx, when he practically tells the public you need to buy some players.

If you’ve started or are part way down the road of doing that, it’s easier to get buy in and to avoid the flip flopping we’ve done in the past.

 

[manxblade]

Selles needs to write a book on how to get the job you want with out knowing fuck all about it

 

[Tezza1889]

This manager was a good move

Some people have got what they wanted..united being a total embarrassment

I'm quite happy to reply and acknowledge that I was mind bogglingly wrong..

I wasn't happy with CW, the personal behaviour away at Plymouth especially, the mocking of Danny Rohl, etc, was classless...

But, where it matters on the pitch he was proficient at getting results, workman like football, but the proof was in the failure pudding in the end...

However I thought we were ready to step up with new money and not only be solid but start to play expansive football, bums off seats a couple of times a game..

Right about now, I wish I'd doffed my cap and kept my council...

Be carefull what you wish for..

Im happy middling it away now winning nothing, till I die..

Because we are an embarrassment under this fake temu con man..

 

[LBA_Blade]

I'm quite happy to reply and acknowledge that I was mind bogglingly wrong..

I wasn't happy with CW, the personal behaviour away at Plymouth especially, the mocking of Danny Rohl, etc, was classless...

But, where it matters on the pitch he was proficient at getting results, workman like football, but the proof was in the failure pudding in the end...

However I thought we were ready to step up with new money and not only be solid but start to play expansive football, bums off seats a couple of times a game..

Right about now, I wish I'd doffed my cap and kept my council...

Be carefull what you wish for..

Im happy middling it away now winning nothing, till I die..

Because we are an embarrassment under this fake temu con man..

We don’t know how the board operate but that could have cost him with his job. As regardless if you a player, manager or you work in ticket office customer service you are working for brand SUFC and they might not like the brand corporate image being affected either sponsors or otherwise by thuggish behaviour

 

[I should coco]

Was appointing Selles a good idea, in hindsight probably not but that's hindsight for you.

You can probably sum up his experience with Blades as a step too far too soon for him.

Is he a good manager/coach?

Yes, but as was pointed out by some people on here when he was appointed (and other times since), it's a big step up for him to make from maintaining a L1 promotion push with Reading (with off-pitch problems) and keeping Hull up, to managing a promotion push for the losing playoff finalist.

Was going from keeping Hull up to trying to get us promoted just too much for him to do right now.

It has nothing to do with hindsight.

For anyone to say that a bloke who had a good half a season in L1, and just about scraped keeping Hull up on the last day, is 'our man', takes the biscuit.

If you sack Wilder, you surely replace him with a manager with a proven track record of promotion to the Prem. Not a 'he looks decent/talks a good game/the hipsters rate him' type.

Many of us feared the worst, but as a pessimist's pessimist, even I didn't forsee how bad this shitshow would be.

 

[Scoips]

He was chosen by them as they’d decided he was the man.

My argument would be, regardless of your thoughts on him or whether you think it’s a good idea, if you were making such a big call and a change in this style… you back yourself and follow it through…

Shoe in to transition to a new off the pitch football structure, director of football, clearly defined plan on recruitment, succession planning and back the lot. Youve decided to get rid of the furniture and man with his fingers everywhere, so do it and back yourself.

Not hang your man out to dry, try and get by then have a last minute influx, when he practically tells the public you need to buy some players.

If you’ve started or are part way down the road of doing that, it’s easier to get buy in and to avoid the flip flopping we’ve done in the past.

This is spot on. Selles will go tomorrow or soon after, but the problems lie much deeper. It wasn't Selles who spent millions on Cannon, bought in the Bulgarians or whoever they were and then had to get rid to free up an ESC slot, waited till half way through the summer to sack Wilder, kept to the idiotic mantra that you get better value at the end of the transfer window etc. As an organisation we appear floundering, rudderless and just plain incompetent - that's down to the Board as a whole and the Chair and CEO in particular. There appears to have been no coherent plan to effect the changes they wanted to make, just as there was no coherent plan for the transfer window. The Board needs some competent advice from somewhere and the investment of a good deal of time to find a blueprint for going forward. If they don't buck their ideas up, we're in for some very difficult years.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

I always thought the writing was on the wall when Jack left. He was Selles or should I say could have been Selles bridge to the players. A lot of what happened and relationships over the summer could have been nipped in the bud

I wanted rid of wilder but didn’t want Selles but when it was said Jack was staying I thought at least he knows he has to win the players over. Maybe he had a chance.

Yes we have spent some good money and there is a good team there, but not for Selles. Someone who knows how to play 343 wokld be a tad handy

 

[Eric_Brooks]

This is spot on. Selles will go tomorrow or soon after, but the problems lie much deeper. It wasn't Selles who spent millions on Cannon, bought in the Bulgarians or whoever they were and then had to get rid to free up an ESC slot, waited till half way through the summer to sack Wilder, kept to the idiotic mantra that you get better value at the end of the transfer window etc. As an organisation we appear floundering, rudderless and just plain incompetent - that's down to the Board as a whole and the Chair and CEO in particular. There appears to have been no coherent plan to effect the changes they wanted to make, just as there was no coherent plan for the transfer window. The Board needs some competent advice from somewhere and the investment of a good deal of time to find a blueprint for going forward. If they don't buck their ideas up, we're in for some very difficult years.

There was a plan, the board were not going to spend any money on players apart from loans and frees because the stats told them that the players they had left at the club had played 80% of the games last year so they didn’t think there was a need. Probably agree with them if we had kept Souza and Anel as well as bringing in 5 really good loans. The board only decided to change course after the first two games, when as you guessed it they realised they had ficked up.

 

[Bradfordblade]

It has nothing to do with hindsight.

For anyone to say that a bloke who had a good half a season in L1, and just about scraped keeping Hull up on the last day, is 'our man', takes the biscuit.

If you sack Wilder, you surely replace him with a manager with a proven track record of promotion to the Prem. Not a 'he looks decent/talks a good game/the hipsters rate him' type.

Many of us feared the worst, but as a pessimist's pessimist, even I didn't forsee how bad this shitshow would be.

Totally agree. If you are going to sack Wilder you have to have a serious upgrade lined up. The decision could only be justified if this was the case. I hoped for the best and feared th worse when Selles was appointed. What has happened since is worse than my my worst fears!

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Was appointing Selles a good idea, in hindsight probably not but that's hindsight for you.

You can probably sum up his experience with Blades as a step too far too soon for him.

Is he a good manager/coach?

Yes, but as was pointed out by some people on here when he was appointed (and other times since), it's a big step up for him to make from maintaining a L1 promotion push with Reading (with off-pitch problems) and keeping Hull up, to managing a promotion push for the losing playoff finalist.

Was going from keeping Hull up to trying to get us promoted just too much for him to do right now.

Wtf, are you on commission? Clueless individual, and if you don't agree, you must be too. Honestly I despair sometimes

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Wanting Wilder gone and thinking Selles was the right choice aren't mutually exclusive

I got to be honest this expansive attacking football is great to watch. A few fluked lucky undeserved top of the league aside points would be great, but who wants that? Boring being successful

Enjoy the opposition. At least we are losing with passion and fight and just by the odd goal, odd goal if 0 is your go to.

We had infinitely more points last season after game 1

 

[Champagneblade]

I'm absolutely fuming. Whether the squad is as good as we think, time will tell. What I do know is it's better than our position currently suggests

It’s a top 6 squad. Without a doubt.

It’s now solely down to one person that it isn’t.

That we have said person in charge is down to COH.

 

[Hockey'sBeard]

I initially could sympathise with Selles and the fact that Southampton, Reading and Hull were in some state of crisis and that he'd been somewhat chucked under the bus at them all.

As it turns out, he's just not up to the job. A career as assistant to the head analyst at Oviedo's B team beckons.

Perhaps his strength lies in working with crisis clubs. We just need to get to that first (maybe that’s his current tactic to get us there - it’s working so far!) and then his true colours will come out and he he’ll rescue us

 

[Kenilworth]

Was appointing Selles a good idea, in hindsight probably not but that's hindsight for you.

You can probably sum up his experience with Blades as a step too far too soon for him.

Is he a good manager/coach?

Yes, but as was pointed out by some people on here when he was appointed (and other times since), it's a big step up for him to make from maintaining a L1 promotion push with Reading (with off-pitch problems) and keeping Hull up, to managing a promotion push for the losing playoff finalist.

Was going from keeping Hull up to trying to get us promoted just too much for him to do right now.

Hindsight?
He’s a rookie that has done fuck all
That’s not hindsight that’s being fucking stupid and naive.
He was sacked by Hull for being shit.
Fucking hindsight

 

[Kenilworth]

The problem with football like most professional sports is that we don’t see/hear the conversations that went on in the board room. The new owners might have said they can’t work with Wilder due to his head strong and off field antics or they may have gone yes 92 points but wasn’t 100 like the 2 that went up and we couldn’t win a playoff final. We don’t know who has was talked to before the Selles appointment. The one thing I will give him, is that he talks a good game and comes over well. When you are looking for a new direction. One team to look at is Fulham when they were relegated they appointed Marco Silva, had a relegation on his cv and a few bits abroad but not much else and they absolutely smashed the championship to pieces.

It’s not a bloody parish council

Oooh, I can’t work with the working class oik cos he’s a little too rough around the edges for my touchy feely corporate sensitivities.

 

[Kenilworth]

The problem with football like most professional sports is that we don’t see/hear the conversations that went on in the board room. The new owners might have said they can’t work with Wilder due to his head strong and off field antics or they may have gone yes 92 points but wasn’t 100 like the 2 that went up and we couldn’t win a playoff final. We don’t know who has was talked to before the Selles appointment. The one thing I will give him, is that he talks a good game and comes over well. When you are looking for a new direction. One team to look at is Fulham when they were relegated they appointed Marco Silva, had a relegation on his cv and a few bits abroad but not much else and they absolutely smashed the championship to pieces.

And Dulham spent an absolute fortune on players and wages

 

[Davalon]

This manager was a good move

Some people have got what they wanted..united being a total embarrassment

Point out those who wanted United to be a total embarrassment

 

[Davalon]

We don’t know how the board operate but that could have cost him with his job. As regardless if you a player, manager or you work in ticket office customer service you are working for brand SUFC and they might not like the brand corporate image being affected either sponsors or otherwise by thuggish behaviour

He's lucky some other gesture he did outside a pub last season, albeit only jokingly I'd assume, didn't find it's way on to social media or to the press

 

[borg elite]

This manager was a good move

Some people have got what they wanted..united being a total embarrassment

 

[LBA_Blade]

It’s not a bloody parish council

Oooh, I can’t work with the working class oik cos he’s a little too rough around the edges for my touchy feely corporate sensitivities.

Ultimately for circa £100million the owners spent in buying the club, they have invested in a brand that is a business. If you have a key individual that you can’t work with like any business they are gone. Football and sport in general is more cut throat than most businesses but if you don’t fit what they after the person is gone. Not forgetting these aren’t Sheffield born and bred and we aren’t stuck in the 70/80s anymore

 

[Kenilworth]

Ultimately for circa £100million the owners spent in buying the club, they have invested in a brand that is a business. If you have a key individual that you can’t work with like any business they are gone. Football and sport in general is more cut throat than most businesses but if you don’t fit what they after the person is gone. Not forgetting these aren’t Sheffield born and bred and we aren’t stuck in the 70/80s anymore

All that is wrong with football encapsulated. No longer is it a game for the working man, it’s a luxury trinket for a wealthy businessman to wear like a charm bracelet and for the gullible to make their excuses for them.
Nowt to do with community, history or belonging. Nowt to do with the roots and and the traditions and the spirit - all to do with the shiny corporate dollar and their CSR sensitivities

 

[ATL Recs]

This manager was a good move

Some people have got what they wanted..united being a total embarrassment

Think those who wanted change ( me included) found this appointment a very underwhelming one that didn’t make any sense at all

 

[ATL Recs]

Ultimately for circa £100million the owners spent in buying the club, they have invested in a brand that is a business. If you have a key individual that you can’t work with like any business they are gone. Football and sport in general is more cut throat than most businesses but if you don’t fit what they after the person is gone. Not forgetting these aren’t Sheffield born and bred and we aren’t stuck in the 70/80s anymore

A lot on here are stuck in the 70s/80s abd 90s

 

[luffenhamblade]

Think those who wanted change ( me included) found this appointment a very underwhelming one that didn’t make any sense at all

You were all very quiet then because there was a lot of positivity on here for the move.

 

[loyalblade95]

Hindsight?
He’s a rookie that has done fuck all
That’s not hindsight that’s being fucking stupid and naive.
He was sacked by Hull for being shit.
Fucking hindsight

Rosenior was sacked by Hull for finishing 7th, Hull are trying to be Watford mark 2.

 

[LBA_Blade]

All that is wrong with football encapsulated. No longer is it a game for the working man, it’s a luxury trinket for a wealthy businessman to wear like a charm bracelet and for the gullible to make their excuses for them.
Nowt to do with community, history or belonging. Nowt to do with the roots and and the traditions and the spirit - all to do with the shiny corporate dollar and their CSR sensitivities

Definitely don’t agree with it but too late to turn the clock back. I think in general football across the board do well with community engagement programs and projects which wouldn’t get the support necessarily without the big money but the downside is we can’t choose the owners. Someone on a different post mentioned that every club should be part owned by a fan group which I think is a good idea. If it was like 10-20% but enough to be able to put direct pressure on the board when needed through elected members

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Who on here still thinks?…..

Rough estimate only, about 50%

 

[1987]

Think those who wanted change ( me included) found this appointment a very underwhelming one that didn’t make any sense at all

I think There may not have been a good one.

What I think may be happening here is that the board have realised that there's more to it than just "changing manager".

You can't just change culture at the snap of a finger (or everyone would do it). So let's get CW back, he's a very good manager, and sort the structure out. Get everything sorted in the background, get a DoF, and then when the time comes he'll hand it over to whoever it is, and they'll be in a far better position to succeed.