Where do the FA get these refs from?

[kozluk]

Being on the Bramall lane side of the John Street stand, my initial thoughts of the "penalty" was a great tackle, so for the decision to then be given I was amazed. But then to see a red I was gob smacked!! Did anybody have a better view of the incident?

Credit to the referee though for talking to the linesman, even though he should have done this first, What adds more humour to it though was the red card itself, he must have been certain, so to then change his mind I bet he felt such an idiot.

I would love to know what the linesman had said though, or even better, Collins and Doyle, I bet they weren't pleasant.

 

[JohnDenver]

Mine was a great view from the South Stand. It was a clean tackle from Freeman to recover his mistake. The ref was hasty in awarding the pen before asking the lino. And once it was awarded he had to send Freeman off. Credit to him for talking to the lino and making the difficult but right call. Some of us clapped him off at HT while others booed.

Lesson learned I hope.

 

[Blade56]

When Freeman was called back on I heard the referee shout "April Fool"

 

[Foxy]

I thought he'd had a poor and inconstant first half up until that point...

From just over half way (closer to the Bramall Lane End) it looked every bit a great, clean tackle, not even debatable.

Fair play to first of all the linesman for having the balls to contradict him (and do his job) and to the referee for correcting his mistake.

Decisions like that often cause further problems with both teams riled.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

I had a perfect view from the John Street stand as I sit in line with the edge of the area. Freeman clearly won the ball.....it wasn't even close and seemed so obvious. One of the worst decisions I have ever seen

 

[kozluk]

fools on him then, as it was after 12.

 

[Harry's Game]

First off I have to say the correct decision was reached in the end it was a good tackle from Freeman recovering his own mistake, and a shocker from the ref..

However.. we are hearing constantly from the FA telling players not to get in the referees face once the decision has been made he won't change his mind, we constantly hear calls from the FA for fans not to abuse refs once the decision has been, he won't change his mind.. Well tonight the players did surround the ref, the fans did abuse him.. And ... the ref changed his mind. I was watching closely and he was 100% not going to consult the linesman and the linesman was not calling him over! without the protests the decision would have stood.

So bearing in mind we did reach the right decision in the end are the FA wrong and players should get in the refs face and fans are right to abuse him? tonight would seem to suggest so, a bit of a thorny one and I would like to see the views of the refereeing fraternity over what happened tonight.

Also I am 100% convinced if we had been the away team the decision would not have been reversed.

 

[kozluk]

ok, thanks for your thoughts, I was just amazed a penalty was given in the first place. This and the Peterborough game when he gave posh a throwing after they kicked the ball against him, Its better than going to the pantomime.

 

[dingledog]

It was a good a defensive tackle as you would want to see.

 

[zablade]

The Phantom Sending off ?

Is that the title of the new Star Wars film?

Look, what's your point, cos I'm confused.

 

[Harry's Game]

The Phantom Sending off ?

Is that the title of the new Star Wars film?

Look, what's your point, cos I'm confused.

The point is pretty clear, read it again, I know you are a Blademad poster so it will take a bit of time to sink in..

 

[stannyblade]

Terrible referee gave us nowt after he changed his mind on the penalty. Except missing Coadys handball

 

[yorkshirecoast]

It was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen..........and it can only be right that the correct decision was reached in the end. As for getting in the face of the referee, we need to do more of that and toughen up generally. We do tend to get bullied at times.

 

[Foxy]

I think had he not consulted his linesman (regardless of the linesman's opinion), the situation would have escalated into something worse.

I thought the fact he allowed the players to crowd him was in itself an admission that he wasn't sure of his decision.

If he wasn't sure of his decision, it should have never have been reached that it was a penalty and such a swift red card.

 

[JohnDenver]

I detest ref-botherers when it's orchestrated and prolonged. Chelsea degrade the whole sport with their intimidatory methods.

But you have to be allowed to ask the ref to speak to the linesman if he hasn't and the mistake is blatant. At the very least the captain should have that right. There's not a team in the land who wouldn't have surrounded the ref tonight.

 

[lawlessdan]

I did enjoy Doyle telling the crowd to carry on giving the ref stick. It's all well and good the FA telling players to stop hounding the referee, however tonight they had to. The linesman should have been straight over to the ref telling him he won the ball. Decent point in the and a very entertaining game. Have to agree with the Coady handball! Couldn't believe we got away with that.

 

[Blade56]

Last week the Ref incorrectly sent Gibbs off when Arsenals Oxlade-Chamberlain dived and saved a shot at goal. Oxlade Chamberlain said to the ref it was me but the card had been shown and that was that Gibbs had to go off even though everyone knew he was innocent. Now, although the ref was mistaken tonight with his initial decision, every penalty and sending off will become a matter of negotiation.

 

[Paulus]

I suspect that the reason the game seems to have so many "dodgy" refs is that it is for the most part a thankless, lonely job. Most refs start off reffing junior games and even here they are often abused by players, managers and parents alike. If they stick with it they will "progress" to local league football where quite frankly the abuse and intimidation that they face is appalling. Many potentially good refs rapidly pack it in, they just dont need the hassle. In many cases the leagues don't support them and the relatively few that stick it tend to have extremely thick skins or personality issues They realise that the only way they can survive is by making quick decisions right or wrong and sticking to them come what may. Many times when reffing I simply didnt know what had happened, you see it once in a slit second, you make a decision anyway, what the hell else can you do? Working up the leagues is often a case of last man standing rather than based on innate ability or consistent performance. Those fans who's default response to refs is foul abuse and incandescent rage may be ought to try and ref a few matches, I packed up years ago and I don't miss it.

 

[Blade56]

fools on him then, as it was after 12.

I know but that spoils me joke.....

I'll get me coat

 

[wizadry]

Not bothered the slightest ,we should have had numerous of penalties in the last month or so and im talking quite a few stone wallers

 

[oaklandrdblade]

Last week the Ref incorrectly sent Gibbs off when Arsenals Oxlade-Chamberlain dived and saved a shot at goal. Oxlade Chamberlain said to the ref it was me but the card had been shown and that was that Gibbs had to go off even though everyone knew he was innicent. Now, although the ref was mistaken tonight with his initial decision, every penalty and sending off will become a matter of negotiation.

But the big difference is it was the linesman who told the ref he was wrong tonight. I can understand them saying they can't accept the word of player saying "It was me not him" - after most of them would sell their own granny to get an advantage.

 

[UnitedBlade]

I was miles away and it looked an absolutely terrible decision.

First of all credit to the Lino who must have had a clear view and had the guts to tell the ref what a shit couple of decisions he had made.

Why did it take so long to review it ? And actually some credit to the ref to withdraw it. Some have such huge egos they don't budge.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Can we give the ref some credit for having the balls to change his mind?

How many are going to work tomorrow knowing that their decisions will be scrutinised on national TV (Sky Sports).

We'll done to both ref and Brentford for taking it on the chin.

Someone said we need to get in the refs faces more - yer watching too much premiership shit.

Reading back it was Deano.

I think we should conduct ourselves better as a club and be proud of our players not diving and cheating.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Last week the Ref incorrectly sent Gibbs off when Arsenals Oxlade-Chamberlain dived and saved a shot at goal. Oxlade Chamberlain said to the ref it was me but the card had been shown and that was that Gibbs had to go off even though everyone knew he was innicent. Now, although the ref was mistaken tonight with his initial decision, every penalty and sending off will become a matter of negotiation.

When a decision is so blatantly wrong - as tonight's was - it is right that it is questioned and overturned. Had the linesman had even the slightest doubt I'm sure he would have just gone with the ref's original decision.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

When a decision is so blatantly wrong - as tonight's was - it is right that it is questioned and overturned. Had the linesman had even the slightest doubt I'm sure he would have just gone with the ref's original decision.

Credit to the Lino but we shouldn't hound them like Chelsea do (every decision), tonight we can be proud of the officials and our players.

Saturday we scored and had it pulled back for a free kick, I thought we handled it as well as Brentford did?

 

[kozluk]

I know but that spoils me joke.....

I'll get me coat

I'll call the taxi for you.

 

[Peter Dornan]

I was in the John Street stand tonight, looking straight across the pitch with the linesman in my line of sight. As soon as the ref blew for the penalty and flashed the red card, the linesman cupped his hand around his mike and began talking - presumably telling the ref that he'd got it wrong. I was surprised it then took so long for the ref to go across and talk to him. Kudos to the ref though for having the cojones to change his decision. I can think of more than a few refs that wouldn't have done that.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Just seen it and replayed it 4 times. DEFINITELY NOT a penalty.

 

[UnitedBlade]

I suspect that the reason the game seems to have so many "dodgy" refs is that it is for the most part a thankless, lonely job. Most refs start off reffing junior games and even here they are often abused by players, managers and parents alike. If they stick with it they will "progress" to local league football where quite frankly the abuse and intimidation that they face is appalling. Many potentially good refs rapidly pack it in, they just dont need the hassle. In many cases the leagues don't support them and the relatively few that stick it tend to have extremely thick skins or personality issues They realise that the only way they can survive is by making quick decisions right or wrong and sticking to them come what may. Many times when reffing I simply didnt know what had happened, you see it once in a slit second, you make a decision anyway, what the hell else can you do? Working up the leagues is often a case of last man standing rather than based on innate ability or consistent performance. Those fans who's default response to refs is foul abuse and incandescent rage may be ought to try and ref a few matches, I packed up years ago and I don't miss it.

You are completely right, it is thankless and you can be perfect for 89.9 minutes and get one decision wrong, often because you just do not know. People should also try running a line in a fast paced game.

The argument for the professional game is they are under intense pressure to get the big decisions right.

Tonight the right decision was made thankfully.

 

[highpeakblade]

I had a clear as anything view and being completely unbiased it was never a penalty in a month of sunday's and that would have remained the same had the boot been on the other foot and it been them not us.

The lad jumped in and got did but did unbelievably to get back and make a top class challenge and that is what it was, clean as a whistle in my opinion. I am completely mythed by how the referee in his position could have seen it any other way to be honest, I thought his positioning should have given him a decent enough view.

Ahh well as said fortunately the ref consulted the lino who obviously saw it the same way as most of bramall lane did and thankfully it got overturned!.