Where Are Our New Ones ?

[BushBlade]

Wouldn't it make more sense to announce them now as it might sell a few more tickets?

No because we've sold out you fucking idiot.

 

[CherryGarcia]

Only a few hours to go now where we should have the two players in Wilder was hoping to sign before the Grimsby match

Let's hope it's all a ploy to pleasantly surprise the fans when they run out onto the pitch tomorrow

Not going to happen.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'll happily take a bet here, say £10 to the children's hospital that we don't spend £2million in transfer fees between now and the end of the season. We can even assume that every undisclosed/nominal fee like Hussey is £100k where there is no reported figure. You in?

definitely , we take undisclosed to be the middle of any press given fee

say if we buy bradley dack for an eg
if its quoted as being 1.5m 2 m and 2.5 m we go for the middle one

OK, deal.

By my calculations, using the reported fees or £100k if no reported fees as agreed....



Player Fee
Lafferty£0.00 (CW confirmed there was no fee, just a sell on clause)
Lavery £100,000.00
Hanson £150,000.00
Hussey £100,000.00
Carruthers £250,000.00
Moore £250,000.00
O Connell £100,000.00
Clarke £100,000.00
TOTAL £1,050,000.00

If you disagree with any of my figures, please post a media report with a different figure. If you're happy to agree that we've spent less than £2million on transfer fees, please post confirmation from the Children's Hospital that the £10 donation has been received.

Thanks in advance.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

blade too long as you've responded to me on the Chris Wilder quote thread, I'm sure you'll have seen this and will be able to post the Children's Hospital acknowledgment up?

 

[blade too long]

By my calculations, using the reported fees or £100k if no reported fees as agreed....



Player Fee
Lafferty£0.00 (CW confirmed there was no fee, just a sell on clause)
Lavery £100,000.00
Hanson £150,000.00
Hussey £100,000.00
Carruthers £250,000.00
Moore £250,000.00
O Connell £100,000.00
Clarke £100,000.00
TOTAL £1,050,000.00

If you disagree with any of my figures, please post a media report with a different figure. If you're happy to agree that we've spent less than £2million on transfer fees, please post confirmation from the Children's Hospital that the £10 donation has been received.

Thanks in advance.

I didnt agree on the 100k I said middle ground of highest and lowest estimates
so your totally over looking signing on fees for loans and laverys
what do you think it was 20 quid
and chapman , what about loan fees

CW said there were 300k signings , you appear to be cutting back on some
cant see one on that list

theres some unbiased valuations on here
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sheffield-united/startseite/verein/350

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I didnt agree on the 100k I said middle ground of highest and lowest estimates
so your totally over looking signing on fees for loans and laverys
what do you think it was 20 quid
and chapman , what about loan fees

CW said there were 300k signings , you appear to be cutting back on some
cant see one on that list

theres some unbiased valuations on here
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sheffield-united/startseite/verein/350

So now we're adding signing on fees and the costs of loans? Even though we expressly agreed the bet was for transfer fees?


I didn't bet you that we would loan or sign free agents whose might be given an arbitrary market value from some random site totalling over £2million.

You're going to lie about what Wilder said? What he actually said was "we've not paid £300k for a player" The star reported Carruthers and Moore as £250k and Hanson as £150k. I never saw a reported figure for Clarke, Hussey, Lavery or O'Connell so went with £100k as per the agreed terms of the bet. If you have reported figures please show them (not made up "valuations").

You're seriously trying to claim a combined sum of around £2million just for our free transfers and loans?

You're willing to try to change the terms after losing a bet to weasel out of paying £10 to a children's charity?

Wow, that's low.

For the record, I've had these types of bets with other posters over the years and you are the first one that's had to be prompted to make their agreed donation to charity after losing.

 

[blade too long]

look Ill gladly pay money to the childrens hospital , will send 20 as its a good cause
but
my point was the club will spend 2m in fees includes all fees

thats signing on
, loan and Agents fees which have been up to a quarter of a million
it all costs the club money, which is my point

The difference is going to be small anyway, but I reckon just in signings weve not been far off 1.5 to 1.6m
but how was I to know how frugal CW was on getting bargains
I truly expected us to pay more to become as good as we are

I still dont consider it a loss , just happy CW has spent wisely and the clubs profited from it

 

[1danewhitehouse]

look Ill gladly pay money to the childrens hospital , will send 20 as its a good cause
but
my point was the club will spend 2m in fees includes all fees

thats signing on
, loan and Agents fees which have been up to a quarter of a million
it all costs the club money, which is my point

The difference is going to be small anyway, but I reckon just in signings weve not been far off 1.5 to 1.6m
but how was I to know how frugal CW was on getting bargains
I truly expected us to pay more to become as good as we are

I still dont consider it a loss , just happy CW has spent wisely and the clubs profited from it

The 2nd to last sentence is fair enough. We all make predictions. You thought we’d spend more than £2million and “more if we sell some”. I didn’t. Turned out you were wrong, that’s fine. It happens. Doesn’t mean the board have sold Wilder out or not backed him. We have still spent a decent amount to put together a good side. We just didn’t spend £2million on transfer fees. There’s nothing wrong with getting these things wrong. But moving the goalposts to try to pretend you were right all along isn’t really on.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

my point was the club will spend 2m in fees includes all fees

thats signing on
, loan and Agents fees which have been up to a quarter of a million
it all costs the club money, which is my point

If that was the case then, why did you use the example of Bradley Dack and taking the mean figure quoted in the media? All fees quoted in the media are simply transfer fees.

1danewhitehouse has won the bet fairly and squarely here.

Regards

HCMD (official adjudicator and entertained reader)

 

[blade too long]

The 2nd to last sentence is fair enough. We all make predictions. You thought we’d spend more than £2million and “more if we sell some”. I didn’t. Turned out you were wrong, that’s fine. It happens. Doesn’t mean the board have sold Wilder out or not backed him. We have still spent a decent amount to put together a good side. We just didn’t spend £2million on transfer fees. There’s nothing wrong with getting these things wrong. But moving the goalposts to try to pretend you were right all along isn’t really on.

I havent moved the goal posts
as I said I expected us to have to spend 600 to 750 k more to obtain the quality CW brought in
its him doing good business thats kept it down
and he said we would not be doing too many loans , his words , but weve got 4 in on loan
thats also eaten into my original estimate, had we bought the loan players as was suggested would have been well over

plus we dont really know how much it really cost until the financial report, its pure guesswork
but Ill pay pal the money and write and tell CW not to be so good at wheeler dealing

 

[I should coco]

If that was the case then, why did you use the example of Bradley Dack and taking the mean figure quoted in the media?

Good point HCDM!

The bet is null and void as we haven't bought Bradely Dack.

I will be suing the Children's Hospital to cover my extensive legal fees, expert witness charge and 'expenses'.

 

[Weasel]

You're willing to try to change the terms after losing a bet to weasel....

Well come on then BTL. Youve heard it from a third party and you have as good as confirmed that you will send the money. As 1DW clearly stated, you lost a bet to me. So get on with paying me my moolah. I might have been a bit pissed when we made this bet cos I cant recall making it, but it seems like i did. Wasn't it for a grand or something similar? I only bet in 1000 pound denomination's even when pissed so stump up mi amigo. Oh and you can chuck 20 quid to the kids hospital as well for trying to trick me you snakey bstard.

 

[Ricky]

Lafferty - 25k
Lavery - 100k
Hanson - 150k (rising to 200k if promoted)
Hussey - 20k ('nominal fee')
Carruthers - 250k
Moore - 240k (rising to 490k if promoted)
O Connell - 300k
Clarke - 100k

Total: £1.185m

There can be no doubt that it's nowhere near £2m in transfer fees.

And the bet was about transfer fees.

It wouldn't even be £2m if loan fees and possible additional transfer fees were included.


It just shows how remarkably well Wilder's recruited. Although we were lucky to be able to get Fleck on a free, same with Duffy. And we've been lucky with Jake Wright in a different way.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

blade too long still no confirmation from the Childrens Hospital?

 

[JohnDenver]

Although we were lucky to be able to get Fleck on a free, same with Duffy. And we've been lucky with Jake Wright in a different way.

Three times? When does luck become good judgement?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Three times? When does luck become good judgement?

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. You could say it's fortunate that those two particular players were out of contract at the time. On the other hand, it was good judgement by Wilder to snap them up. If those 2 weren't available, would he have found 2 others in those positions as good and for free? I guess we'll never know.

 

[Ricky]

Three times? When does luck become good judgement?

Fleck and Duffy - not too much judgement required, we were fortunate both were available on frees at the same time, we then did well to convince them to sign.

Wright - signed as back up but has been a revelation as a first team regular. Has to be considered a bonus.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Fleck and Duffy - not too much judgement required, we were fortunate both were available on frees at the same time, we then did well to convince them to sign.

Wright - signed as back up but has been a revelation as a first team regular. Has to be considered a bonus.

I think Wilder had seen enough of Wright at Oxford to have more than an inkling that he might be capable of what he's produced this season. Backing your own judgement if you ask me.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

blade too long are you settling this bet or what?

Jeez, other posters have always had the decency to pay their charity bets without any prompting.