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DuncDisorderly said:
Its only a story on a website but does appear to have some credence. I guess we will find out some details as soon as they are ready. There are lots of reasons why a buyer would be motivated to spend his cash on SUFC. In YOUR view you seem to think we aren't much of an opportunity, but your view is pretty negative and there is no reason why some investor wouldn't find us attractive. You still havent fully accepted the notion that we are an international property business with a football club brand. The club has debts but debts that are offset by considerable assets and our profile (which you all poo-poo) of associations with other clubs to give us a wider appeal, and the Malta deal. It isn't hard to see us as a go-ahead club, not in your eyes maybe, but you only have to compare us to the mess in S6 to see how we could be seen as a good opportunity by someone keen to get into an English club...



I guess that Big Kev, Birchy and the fella are working that out. The main pay-off of any kind of deal is getting into the PL, and it wouldn't take that much in terms of squad improvement to get us there. Now that we have realigned the wage bill with reality, and largely repaired the financial damage of Robbo, and if the investor was willing to push some cash in for the next three years we have as good a chance as any to get up and stay there. One thing is for sure, Big Kev wont be sticking any more big sums in and if you want to achieve your dream of us being a top half PL side, then there are a limited range of options in how that can be achieved, unless you have a better idea of course...
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Fans knock the club when nothing happens,knock the club when some indications are appearing that perhaps some investment seems to be on the horizon.
Would it not be more simple just to wait for an official announcement and then comment on the information.
That is of course if you can understand financial infornation.
Rant over.
UTB
 
Hmmm.... I know it's just a rumour at this point and I'll back the club in most of it's decisions.... but I'm afraid I'm with the sceptics on this one. I've said before I just can't see how these investors would be attracted to the club if not for the purpose of making more money out of it. As we're not really turning profit at the moment (like the vast majority of other clubs in the land) they'd have to get their money out somewhere. Whether it's in through process of loan repayments or consultancy fees or some other method they'll get the money out.

I hope I'm wrong and that if the investment is forthcoming it's a springboard to bigger and better things, but whenever I hear of a foreign investor pumping money into a football club outside of the top 8 or 9 teams in the Premiership it's worrying. I just can't see a Malaysian investing in the club for the love of the game/the club/through the good of his heart - they'll want big returns one way or the other.
 
McCabe won't have the wool pulled over his eyes and Birch was involved in the Chelsea takeover we should have some confidence.
 
lenners said:
That's a remarkably rosey view. I doubt Portsmouth fans, to mention just one club, would agree.
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I'm sure Pompey fans would agree. Sure some of them are whingeing now but, a very few years ago if you'd have told them they'd have had several years in the PL, become FA Cup Winners, European football, losing another FA Cup final - all on 19k crowds - they (and most football fans) would have snatched your hand off. Ditto Leeds.

It's what we all crave and Portsmouth are one of many teams whose fortunes are built on sand.

Personally, I'd have preferred our own dealings to have gone unnoticed, but when you have journalists of international renown (such as James 'Scoop' Shields) tracking your every move, it's difficult.

All I know is that this will not have been allowed to drift in two years time like those amateurs at Barnsley South (who even yesterday were slavering about the 'latest big-money investors'. I believe it's a consortium of rich arabs led by Sheik Anvac).
 
Jostein Flo said:
Hmmm.... I know it's just a rumour at this point and I'll back the club in most of it's decisions.... but I'm afraid I'm with the sceptics on this one. I've said before I just can't see how these investors would be attracted to the club if not for the purpose of making more money out of it. As we're not really turning profit at the moment (like the vast majority of other clubs in the land) they'd have to get their money out somewhere. Whether it's in through process of loan repayments or consultancy fees or some other method they'll get the money out.

I hope I'm wrong and that if the investment is forthcoming it's a springboard to bigger and better things, but whenever I hear of a foreign investor pumping money into a football club outside of the top 8 or 9 teams in the Premiership it's worrying. I just can't see a Malaysian investing in the club for the love of the game/the club/through the good of his heart - they'll want big returns one way or the other.
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I haven't posted on here for quite a while but can't resist to comment on this one. Myself being Malaysian and a Blade since I was 12 having spent my childhood years in Sheffield, if this does go through, really hope that it turns out good for the club and marks the beginning of something great - although it's nothing but rumour at this point.

I have no idea who this potential investor is and I have my own doubts. Sure, they would most likely be in it just for the returns but at the end of the day, all businesses are about the ROI but I'd like to think positive. This might sound naive but I'm not sure if KM is too desperate that he would allow just anyone in just for the sake of the cash that one brings without thinking about the overall well being and future of the club.

I'm not sure if it's because of their love of the club that they're keen on investing but I hope they have good and honest intentions. Once the identity is revealed, I would probably have a better idea/judgment of how credible the person or group is/are.

UTB
 
KL Blade said:
. This might sound naive but I'm not sure if KM is too desperate that he would allow just anyone in just for the sake of the cash that one brings without thinking about the overall well being and future of the club.
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Fair points but its been an open secret that McCabe wants to step out of the club for the last three years and this is the first 'confirmed' investor I've heard about (there was all that Red Bull story, but that turned out to be just 'bull'). It doesn't smack of desperation in any sense to me. Hopefully you are right and when we find out the name you can give us the inside track on whether we should be concerned...
 
NOBODY is goint to invest in the Blades for the love of it ! ........................ Just look at McCabe. :eek:
 
"We" are a football club. A subsidiary of the McCabe empire. Does anyone know what the investors will be investing in? Remember,we were all told we own Fradi when it's actually just another of McCabes companies.
 
grafikhaus said:
I'm sure Pompey fans would agree. Sure some of them are whingeing now but, a very few years ago if you'd have told them they'd have had several years in the PL, become FA Cup Winners, European football, losing another FA Cup final - all on 19k crowds - they (and most football fans) would have snatched your hand off. Ditto Leeds.

It's what we all crave and Portsmouth are one of many teams whose fortunes are built on sand.

Personally, I'd have preferred our own dealings to have gone unnoticed, but when you have journalists of international renown (such as James 'Scoop' Shields) tracking your every move, it's difficult.

All I know is that this will not have been allowed to drift in two years time like those amateurs at Barnsley South (who even yesterday were slavering about the 'latest big-money investors'. I believe it's a consortium of rich arabs led by Sheik Anvac).
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Really? You think the individuals who got involved with 'saving' Pompey last year are revered by the fans?
 
SE10 Blades said:
Len hundreds companies all over the world are bought and sold every day. The vast majority have debt. It really isnt rocket science. Its all about discounted future expected cash flows.
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Is it really. What's our 'discounted future expected cash flow'?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Why are you interested in investing Len?
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I think any football fan anywhere ought to be sceptical about anyone who wants to 'invest' in a club.
You only have to look at what's happened to countless clubs to see what kind of people football attracts.
 
lenners said:
I think any football fan anywhere ought to be sceptical about anyone who wants to 'invest' in a club.
You only have to look at what's happened to countless clubs to see what kind of people football attracts.
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I assume they think if I put in x then i have a y% chance of gaining promotion and securing a slice of tv rights etc which will generate a return >x plus cost of funds, opportunity cost of other investment returns etc. Buying a football club is no different to any other business. Would I do it? No as the chances of your investment leading to a quick promotion and return on that investment is way too uncertain. I would assume this uncertainty would be in the price of any investment and if you are a genuinely wealthy individual or firm then it may be just a small allocation of your total capital that is allocated to more risky investments.
 



SE10 Blades said:
I assume they think if I put in x then i have a y% chance of gaining promotion and securing a slice of tv rights etc which will generate a return >x plus cost of funds, opportunity cost of other investment returns etc. Buying a football club is no different to any other business. Would I do it? No as the chances of your investment leading to a quick promotion and return on that investment is way too uncertain. I would assume this uncertainty would be in the price of any investment and if you are a genuinely wealthy individual or firm then it may be just a small allocation of your total capital that is allocated to more risky investments.
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Hardly any football clubs, even in the Prem, make a profit.
The game's become a black hole hoovering up money to go on players' wages.
In terms of us, I'd presume McCabe would want a chunk to walk away and that's before you think about servicing ongoing liabilities - and acquiring players for that elusive pot of gold at the end of the Premiership rainbow.
The only 'investor' who could make a difference would be one who isn't actually investing but has loads of money he's prepared to donate.
 
lenners said:
Hardly any football clubs, even in the Prem, make a profit.
The game's become a black hole hoovering up money to go on players' wages.
In terms of us, I'd presume McCabe would want a chunk to walk away and that's before you think about servicing ongoing liabilities - and acquiring players for that elusive pot of gold at the end of the Premiership rainbow.
The only 'investor' who could make a difference would be one who isn't actually investing but has loads of money he's prepared to donate.
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Depends what assets are secured against the liabilities or indeed where they could refi the existing debt. At the end of the day even 50 million quid is absolutely fuck all for a great many investors.
 
Ddidn't the Glaziers get £16 Million in management fee's and about £25 Million per season out of Manchester United?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Ddidn't the Glaziers get £16 Million in management fee's and about £25 Million per season out of Manchester United?
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I don't think we're quite at that level yet though I do seem to recall that they're not massively popular over there.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Ddidn't the Glaziers get £16 Million in management fee's and about £25 Million per season out of Manchester United?
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Still do.... and they will do it until the pot goes dry. 90% of the American companies are doomed. Most of their businesses are currently running at extreme losses. Man U is literally the only company they can get money out of.
 
I knew you'd do that.

Manchester United are obviously far bigger than we will ever be but I don't think our investers will be offered £25 Million a season returns. It was a figure for relative comparison.
Sheffield United won't cost £800 Million for starters but I'm guessing the prospect of a couple of million return per season might interest someone in initial investment.


Too much to ask that you'd actually consider the point before trying to be a smartarse about it.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I knew you'd do that.

Manchester United are obviously far bigger than we will ever be but I don't think our investers will be offered £25 Million a season returns. It was a figure for relative comparison.
Sheffield United won't cost £800 Million for starters but I'm guessing the prospect of a couple of million return per season might interest someone in initial investment.


Too much to ask that you'd actually consider the point before trying to be a smartarse about it.
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We raise about £6M a year through the turnstiles. Shouldn't we be worried about someone "investing" for a £2M per year return?

I'm with Len - proceed with extreme caution. Unless it's for a toy (eg Abramowich) it's not at all clear that many clubs come out of the "investment" process better off.

UTB
 
I would assuming it would only be paid on the condition of PL football. Basically you invest x amount to get us to the promised land and this is your return.

£2 Million a season on PL terms would be minimal once our place was consolidated.
 
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"SHEFFIELD United hope to discover whether their talks with a Malaysian entrepreneuer, who has expressed a desire to invest in the South Yorkshire club, have been successful within the next two months.
That is the timeframe those involved in the deal, which could also see the unidentified businessman become a sponsor at Bramall Lane, have agreed following negotiations between a United delegation and their potential new partner in Kuala Lumpur.

The Star revealed last weekend, chairman Kevin McCabe and chief executive Trevor Birch travelled to Asia for discussions before Sunday's friendly with Estudiantes.

Those have led to terms of reference being finalised and both parties returning home to examine the small print with their legal representatives before deciding whether or not to proceed.

However, despite some reports to the contrary, this newspaper can reveal that, far from being a takeover, the proposal being discussed would see new shares being issued following an initial injection of funds.

Confirming that United are now performing due diligence on the individual concerned, one high-ranking Bramall Lane source explained last night: "Everything has been positive so far but nothing is finalised. These things can take time."
 
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