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Should've been about six nowt up by half time. Not clinical enough. Gave it away a bit too much in daft areas. Plenty to be excited about though I thought - looked very dangerous going forward in spells.

I would agree with this & most of what people have said, no need to panic.

With regards to the subs:

McNulty looked ok, he was involved in 2\3 moves & then went missing though.
Scougall was busy but we lost any help that Hussey had when he came on.
DCL looked a bit lost & nervous.
 



Lets face it, anyone who went tonight should be able to see that there is a good team in there somewhere. We absolutely murdered them for 30 minutes and should have been more than 1 up. If we'd have continued that intensity throughout the game, we'd have won 3/4-0. There were plenty of positives that have been seemingly ignored. This team have hardly played with each other and will only become more solid as they get to know each other more. Once we tighten up and make a couple more additions, I think we'll come good.

I'm by nature a pessimist but compared with the last 2 seasons, I don't think we looked completely hopeless tonight. There were situations in the 2nd half where Crewe ran at our defence and we actually dealt with the danger. We'd have probably conceded more than 2 in this fixture last season. I know it seems like I'm picking at weak positives but I think we need to calm down and give it 10 games like SwissBlade said.

One thing that actually stood out from last night is that the players looked like they wanted to be there. This is a big improvement.

Small steps...
 
was lots of positives in attack and what I've seen of O'Connell I've liked, but if anyone could have prevented their goals it looked like him looking back on the Sky highlights (was all too quick and traumatic at the time). also, if no-one comes in this week surely we should have K Wallace or Woolford on the left wing - there I've said it - the W word.
 
was lots of positives in attack and what I've seen of O'Connell I've liked, but if anyone could have prevented their goals it looked like him looking back on the Sky highlights (was all too quick and traumatic at the time). also, if no-one comes in this week surely we should have K Wallace or Woolford on the left wing - there I've said it - the W word.
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Hussey deserves someone in front of him that can play the position - I really like Matt Done when he's played in a poaching position not out wide - if we don't play K Wallace or Woolford might as well get one of those Bingo cages and just chuck all the squad numbers in and see what comes out
Done is the weak link at the moment, but IMO Wallace & Woolford aren`t the answer either.
 
Early doors yet.

There'll be plenty of time for panicking after the January transfer window has come and gone
 
I can see us being a very good attacking side if we add another winger. Defence looked very shaky at times and conceded two poor goals.

Game was basically over as far as we were concerned when Sharp and Clarke had come off. After that there was no target for any attacking balls, no hold up play, and we were just plain out of it.

Positives: Duffy, Clarke, Sharp, Fleck, Hussey

Negatives: Everything else
Can't agree, PB. Sharpie was rank average, IMO. Sparky and Scougs both played better than Sharpe. I also don't get the praise for Clarke. Yes he scored (didn't see it, late), but he also looked average....to me anyways.
 
I'll be honest ..... I went last night expecting out first team to be strong enough to beat Crewe, I wasn't expecting a massacre, perhaps just a solid 2 - 0 or similar. I was more interested in the performance, particularly after losing at Bolton when we probably deserved a draw.

I came away disappointed, not distraught, but I really think that as supporters we have to re-align our expectations for this season. Put simply; that is not a United side capable of promotion, even when they've played together for a few more weeks. We couldn't finish a breakfast, we are very obviously short of pace throughout the side and we still look prone to switching off for a bit when we get bored of battering the other side. We should have won comfortably, but once Clarke was subbed we had little attacking threat other than from distance. ( Flecks shot deserved a goal ...... it was a peach )

How did the players do, well here's my opinion ( and some will not like it ):

Long 6/10 Did nothing wrong really but had little to do except pick the ball out of the onion bag twice. Not at fault for either goal.

Brayford 3/10 Didn't really ever get going, looks almost disinterested and is a shadow of the player we took on loan. No attacking threat from the Beard and I can't remember him attacking and getting past the full back all night.

Hussey 5/10 Some decent defending particularly against a pacey youngster later on and delivery was generally better than on Saturday but much room for improvement.

OConnell 7/10 Looks solid, decent distribution

Wilson 6/10 Looks ok - not sure why either he or OConnell didn't attack the crosses that resulted in the goals for Crewe though - maybe the team got the marking wrong.

Fleck 8/10 MOM for me and dictated most of the good things that we did. He may not be big but hes strong enough to not be knocked off the ball. Got his head up, good range of passing, should have been rewarded with a goal.

Basham 5/10 Tries hard, gave 100% but often ends up the wrong side of his opponent. No goal threat from midfield, but got in lots of tackles.

Duffy 6/10 Tricky but not a lot of pace, got some good crosses in and I think he hit the woodwork as well as Fleck. Some of the things he tried didn't quite work and I thought that he looked better on the left than the right, not sure why.

Clarke 8/10 Scored two, one disallowed for dubious offside. Also missed a couple of opportunities but he won most of the challenges in the air, but nobody was picking up the flick-ons. looked lively & hungry and I think that if hes given service he will
be likely to get 20 this season in L1. Strong and brave ....... the exact opposite of Connor Sammon tbh.

Sharpe 4/10 Little or no impact on the game, control was sloppy, had the opportunity in Ist half to put Clarke clear, delayed and ended up making a difficult chance which was missed. Missed badly a good chance set up for him in 2nd half by Duffy,
blasting wide when a player of his experience should have hit the target at least. I hope that Tufty will still be prepared to drop him when warranted even if he is a Blade and the captain.

Done 4/10 Constantly drifted inside and left no outlet on the LW which probably mad life more difficult for Hussey than it should have been. Square peg in round hole .... he's not a LW !! He cannot do that job and he's lost a lot of the pace that he had
when we first signed him. Worked hard at times and chased but no end product, only beat his man a couple of times and had little contribution.

McNulty 5/10 Looked livelier than Sharpe and did contribute a bit but never really caused their defence a big headache. Some decent interplay late on.

Scougal 3/10 Had 1 shot, spilled by keeper that Clark put in but was ruled offside. Other than that zero impact. headless chicken and too lightweight to make any impression.

DCL 4/10 Had sufficient time on the pitch to make an impact but didn't take the opportunity. Glaring miss in front of the Kop which would have finished the game off.

Wilder 5/10 Team started well enough but failed to capitalise on the chances we had to finish the game. Surprisingly played Done out of position and this affected the shape of the team which looked unbalanced for long periods. Didn't seem to motivate the players to redouble their efforts in 2nd half and they almost seemed to get bored with battering Crewe's defence. Appeared to make an error in substituting experienced players too soon when the game was clearly not won, hence very late equaliser from Crewe.

What is apparent from last night is that not only do we need 4/5 new first team players to make the squad a realistic competitor for promotion this year, but we also have nothing on the bench to change a game or cater for injuries, suspension or loss of form. In short ....... still in the early stages of re-building rather than nearly job done ! :(

UTB & FTP
Scougall, McNulty and Brayford so low? Clarke so high? Can't agree with any of those my old fruitbat! Clarke can't jump, Scougs and McNulty had some good touches and worked hard even though sometimes misguided. The Beard was worth a 5 or 6 at least.
 
Can't agree, PB. Sharpie was rank average, IMO. Sparky and Scougs both played better than Sharpe. I also don't get the praise for Clarke. Yes he scored (didn't see it, late), but he also looked average....to me anyways.

I'm not sure what anyone sees in McNulty.
 
If we don't get 3 points from our next two matches, we're fucking wank and need to find another manager.
 



Early doors yet.

There'll be plenty of time for panicking after the January transfer window has come and gone

January? Hmmmmmmm............some will have gone past meltdown by then.

CW appears to be falling into the same trap door as previous managers - yes it is early doors, but then it was early doors when Maguire left and we waited 2 years for a CH - and there is no guarantee we actually have 2 decent ones now.

CD talks the talk (and we all seem to like what we hear), but can he walk the walk..................

It is not unfair (IMO) to put him under pressure immediately. His interview last night suggested the task is larger than he thought - well FFS, you, I and many many other Blades could have had a cup of Tea with him the day after he joined and told him what was wrong. The easy bit is to see what is wrong, can he put it right?

UTB
 
Didn't attend Bolton, I'll be the first to admit I overreacted over the result. Tonight is very much the same, the result was embarrassingly poor against a team that probably won't even trouble the top end of League 2. But I'm still hopeful, and so should all of you. Just look at the results tonight in the cup, anyone beats anyone in the cup. We played relatively okay in the first 60 minutes apart from some well-below par finishing. We then became lazy and lackadaisical all over. Last year I came away from games feeling that we offered nothing and had a plethora of concerns and anger towards the players. Tonight is very much different and by all accounts Bolton was the same, at least we came close and with better luck we could have 2 wins out of 2. Please don't take too much from tonight or the result from Saturday, especially if you didn't attend, we played alright unlike last year or the year before. We'll be okay.

Long didn't do anything wrong tonight.
Brayford grew into it second half but it is increasingly worrying that the guy isn't the same player he was pre-injury, it's heartbreaking to see.
Wilson was okay, but a couple of mistakes towards the end maybe highlight that a centre half is high up on the wish list.
O'Connell was very good until the last 15 minutes. The only centre half that wins headers consistently since we had Maguire, although 1 cup game isn't much to base off.
Hussey was mixed. Some things came off, some didn't. I'll give it a few more weeks before a concrete judgement.
Duffy was good when he was involved, that's the problem. Needs to be involved more. The shot against the bar from 25 yards or so looked destined to nestle in the top corner.
Fleck was very good I felt. A proper midfielder.
Basham... He did okay but we need better from central midfield. Top of the priority list for me, we need a guy who isn't a soft touch, a guy who will intimidate and accommodate Fleck well. I've seen enough of Basham to see that he cannot offer this.
Done was poor. But I don't blame him for this. He isn't a left back, as Wilder rightly pointed out, but he isn't a winger either, as Wilder seems to be getting wrong. Play him in the last half hour from the bench if you want to be effective, don't try to accommodate him for the sake of it Chris. Left midfield is also top priority for me.
Sharp wasn't really in the game at all for me. I'm concerned that we accommodate Sharp to the detriment of the team. Some may not like to hear it but Done and Clarke up top for me would be more effective as Sharp off form drags the team down a whole level. The lad puts all effort in for United but he isn't good enough to drag us to a win out of nothing in games, if we are serious about promotion we should get somebody more consistent or simply better.
Clarke was good enough from what I saw. He appeared infrequently but showed quality when he did. Good signing but we need backup. DCL is certainly not.
The bench was mixed. McNulty showed some real quality when he wanted to, but went missing after extra time. Scougall almost had an instant impact but the linesman (dodgily in my opinion) flagged for offside for Clarke. Finally... If the rumours that we declined a £1m bid for Calvert-Lewin are true, that is worse than the sale of Adams... after two years of watching the lad, he is too weak, slow and quite simply shite to accommodate in the squad, the miss tonight was embarrassing and he offered nothing else. Maybe there's potential, but I don't see it.

Again, despite the scathing comments on certain players that some may point out, there is an overreaction doing the rounds. Give it a couple of weeks at least before panicking. The results have been disappointing, if not unacceptable but, i have trust in Wilder, more so than Adkins and Clough for that matter. I hope the guy is given time.

Pretty much in agreement and I was at Bolton as well as last night.

We are getting better at closing people down quicker, which was such a problem in recent years, We attack much faster, we actually shot from outside the box and hit the cross bar on both occasions, an inch lower and the ball would have been in, Clarke is a big handful upfront, Fleck distributes the ball nicely and is a little terrier in the tackle. O'Connell and Wilson seem solid enough, especially O'Connell, Hussey has good patches, need to see more of him.

McNulty was the only good substitution last night, for me.

Wily old 37 year old Ryan Lowe made us pay for poor mistakes.
 
Lets face it, anyone who went tonight should be able to see that there is a good team in there somewhere. We absolutely murdered them for 30 minutes and should have been more than 1 up. If we'd have continued that intensity throughout the game, we'd have won 3/4-0. There were plenty of positives that have been seemingly ignored. This team have hardly played with each other and will only become more solid as they get to know each other more. Once we tighten up and make a couple more additions, I think we'll come good.

I'm by nature a pessimist but compared with the last 2 seasons, I don't think we looked completely hopeless tonight. There were situations in the 2nd half where Crewe ran at our defence and we actually dealt with the danger. We'd have probably conceded more than 2 in this fixture last season. I know it seems like I'm picking at weak positives but I think we need to calm down and give it 10 games like SwissBlade said.

One thing that actually stood out from last night is that the players looked like they wanted to be there. This is a big improvement.

Small steps...

"....One thing that actually stood out from last night is that the players looked like they wanted to be there. This is a big improvement....."

Duffy, Fleck and Clarke were constantly waving for the ball, actually wanted to be passed to, unlike a lot of players last season!
 
Lets face it, anyone who went tonight should be able to see that there is a good team in there somewhere. We absolutely murdered them for 30 minutes and should have been more than 1 up. If we'd have continued that intensity throughout the game, we'd have won 3/4-0. There were plenty of positives that have been seemingly ignored. This team have hardly played with each other and will only become more solid as they get to know each other more. Once we tighten up and make a couple more additions, I think we'll come good.

I'm by nature a pessimist but compared with the last 2 seasons, I don't think we looked completely hopeless tonight. There were situations in the 2nd half where Crewe ran at our defence and we actually dealt with the danger. We'd have probably conceded more than 2 in this fixture last season. I know it seems like I'm picking at weak positives but I think we need to calm down and give it 10 games like SwissBlade said.

One thing that actually stood out from last night is that the players looked like they wanted to be there. This is a big improvement.

Small steps...

Don't agree with you often SM, but you're bob on there. ;)
 
Hang on though TD, the team have lost one league match away to Bolton and lost in extra time in a cup match, that's two whole matches for the new manager and new players. I salute the fans who have stood by the side this long into the season but now feel the need to descend into the usual schadenfreude. :(

I'll give it ten games, as the wiser sages on here say, before pressing the panic button. But I have to be careful not to say it too often or it makes me a clapper/kev/cunt.

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Absolute madness Hillers ;)
 
Pretty much in agreement and I was at Bolton as well as last night.

We are getting better at closing people down quicker, which was such a problem in recent years, We attack much faster, we actually shot from outside the box and hit the cross bar on both occasions, an inch lower and the ball would have been in, Clarke is a big handful upfront, Fleck distributes the ball nicely and is a little terrier in the tackle. O'Connell and Wilson seem solid enough, especially O'Connell, Hussey has good patches, need to see more of him.

McNulty was the only good substitution last night, for me.

Wily old 37 year old Ryan Lowe made us pay for poor mistakes.

I think most thought that it'll probably take a while for the team to gel so I'm not too down to be honest. We must at least try to stay in touch though especially as there's (hopefully) more incoming.

Right now we just need one to go in off Billy's ass like last season to get him up and running and maybe a bit more luck in general in front of goal. Confidence is a massive factor, get on a role like Wigan and Barnsley did last season and these games will soon be forgotten.
 
Well we tried
You need to get that dyslexia sorted mate.
The players were supposed to be much fitter this year weren't they?
 
Well we tried
You need to get that dyslexia sorted mate.
The players were supposed to be much fitter this year weren't they?

You need to put it in context.

Well we tried, until around the 30 minute mark, then they blew out of their backsides just like last season.

See, it makes perfect sense.
 
Didn't attend Bolton, I'll be the first to admit I overreacted over the result. Tonight is very much the same, the result was embarrassingly poor against a team that probably won't even trouble the top end of League 2. But I'm still hopeful, and so should all of you. Just look at the results tonight in the cup, anyone beats anyone in the cup. We played relatively okay in the first 60 minutes apart from some well-below par finishing. We then became lazy and lackadaisical all over. Last year I came away from games feeling that we offered nothing and had a plethora of concerns and anger towards the players. Tonight is very much different and by all accounts Bolton was the same, at least we came close and with better luck we could have 2 wins out of 2. Please don't take too much from tonight or the result from Saturday, especially if you didn't attend, we played alright unlike last year or the year before. We'll be okay.

Long didn't do anything wrong tonight.
Brayford grew into it second half but it is increasingly worrying that the guy isn't the same player he was pre-injury, it's heartbreaking to see.
Wilson was okay, but a couple of mistakes towards the end maybe highlight that a centre half is high up on the wish list.
O'Connell was very good until the last 15 minutes. The only centre half that wins headers consistently since we had Maguire, although 1 cup game isn't much to base off.
Hussey was mixed. Some things came off, some didn't. I'll give it a few more weeks before a concrete judgement.
Duffy was good when he was involved, that's the problem. Needs to be involved more. The shot against the bar from 25 yards or so looked destined to nestle in the top corner.
Fleck was very good I felt. A proper midfielder.
Basham... He did okay but we need better from central midfield. Top of the priority list for me, we need a guy who isn't a soft touch, a guy who will intimidate and accommodate Fleck well. I've seen enough of Basham to see that he cannot offer this.
Done was poor. But I don't blame him for this. He isn't a left back, as Wilder rightly pointed out, but he isn't a winger either, as Wilder seems to be getting wrong. Play him in the last half hour from the bench if you want to be effective, don't try to accommodate him for the sake of it Chris. Left midfield is also top priority for me.
Sharp wasn't really in the game at all for me. I'm concerned that we accommodate Sharp to the detriment of the team. Some may not like to hear it but Done and Clarke up top for me would be more effective as Sharp off form drags the team down a whole level. The lad puts all effort in for United but he isn't good enough to drag us to a win out of nothing in games, if we are serious about promotion we should get somebody more consistent or simply better.
Clarke was good enough from what I saw. He appeared infrequently but showed quality when he did. Good signing but we need backup. DCL is certainly not.
The bench was mixed. McNulty showed some real quality when he wanted to, but went missing after extra time. Scougall almost had an instant impact but the linesman (dodgily in my opinion) flagged for offside for Clarke. Finally... If the rumours that we declined a £1m bid for Calvert-Lewin are true, that is worse than the sale of Adams... after two years of watching the lad, he is too weak, slow and quite simply shite to accommodate in the squad, the miss tonight was embarrassing and he offered nothing else. Maybe there's potential, but I don't see it.

Again, despite the scathing comments on certain players that some may point out, there is an overreaction doing the rounds. Give it a couple of weeks at least before panicking. The results have been disappointing, if not unacceptable but, i have trust in Wilder, more so than Adkins and Clough for that matter. I hope the guy is given time.

Don't agree with everything written but on the whole this is a decent post. Particularly agree with the bit about Matty Done. Decent scoring record for Rochdale when we signed him, and started off well for us, but since his injury just seems to get played constantly out of position which is not doing us or him any favours.
 
Scougall, McNulty and Brayford so low? Clarke so high? Can't agree with any of those my old fruitbat! Clarke can't jump, Scougs and McNulty had some good touches and worked hard even though sometimes misguided. The Beard was worth a 5 or 6 at least.

Well ...... its all about opinion mate ....

I like Brayford, and if we'd sold him in the summer I would have been in "meltdown", but I can't see how you would give Brayford a 6 to be honest as he didn't give a single thing going forward and never beat his man, let alone provided a decent cross. Currently, he looks a forlorn shadow of the player that we loaned in before buying him .....

Scougal was on the pitch for enough time to showcase himself and had one shot ....... and nothing else other than being muscled off the ball every time he touched it. he will never be able to make any sort of impression on L1 and is a waste of a squad place.

McNulty was mobile and ran around a lot, had a couple of well worked one-twos ...... but no end product. passed to DCL when de should have scored himself ( which would have raised his score )

I rest my case your honour ;)

UTB & FTP
 

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