Weir: Note of caution.

[Darren]

I am slightly intrigued as to why everyone is so positive about this appointment. Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the best and really, really hope he succeeds. But here we have someone with a glittering playing career given his first managerial job. Precedents for this (Peters, Spackman, Bruce, Speed) are not exactly good.

So why should we be optimistic?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Out of those four, only Peters i feel could be considered a disaster.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I am slightly intrigued as to why everyone is so positive about this appointment. Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the best and really, really hope he succeeds. But here we have someone with a glittering playing career given his first managerial job. Precedents for this (Peters, Spackman, Bruce, Speed) are not exactly good.

So why should we be optimistic?

First time for everything Dazzler! Even for us.......

 

[JohnDenver]

I am slightly intrigued as to why everyone is so positive about this appointment. Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the best and really, really hope he succeeds. But here we have someone with a glittering playing career given his first managerial job. Precedents for this (Peters, Spackman, Bruce, Speed) are not exactly good.

So why should we be optimistic?

I wouldn't describe his career as glittering. More long-lived and gritty.

I think he'll be a perfectly good manager and I'm pleased to have him. But I'm not optimistic in the short term. Anyone who is really needs to explain themselves....

 

[LoughboroBlade]

So why should we be optimistic?

I agree some those precedents are not good, though you can argue that the situation at the club wasn't right for either Speed or Bruce, who showed that they were good managers after they left. Bruce was never given the financial backing, and afterwards has ultimately turned into a pretty good manager.

My main relief is that we've not gone for someone that has clearly failed elsewhere, or taken the easy option with Morgan, or another easy option in giving it to someone with sufc connections who wouldn't get a look-in at another similarly sized club. This is a gamble, but I'd like someone to show me who wouldn't be given the position of the club.

 

[Darren]

Out of those four, only Peters i feel could be considered a disaster.

Bruce = 1 season treading water before he buggered oof to the brighter pastures of Huddesrfield!
Speed = 4 months of mediocre performances see us hovering above the relegation zone
Spackman - loads of money spent and starts off well, performances slowly deteriorate (even before D&F were sold) and he resigns in a huff

Not disastrous, but not very good in any case.

 

[Darren]

Out of those four, only Peters i feel could be considered a disaster.

Bruce = 1 season treading water before he buggered oof to the brighter pastures of Huddesrfield!
Speed = 4 months of mediocre performances see us hovering above the relegation zone
Spackman - loads of money spent and starts off well, performances slowly deteriorate (even before D&F were sold) and he resigns in a huff

Not disastrous, but not very good in any case.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Bruce = 1 season treading water before he buggered oof to the brighter pastures of Huddesrfield!
Speed = 4 months of mediocre performances see us hovering above the relegation zone
Spackman - loads of money spent and starts off well, performances slowly deteriorate (even before D&F were sold) and he resigns in a huff

Not disastrous, but not very good in any case.

Bruce - Treading water, with a tight board.
Speed - Mediocre performances from a mediocre squad. Didn't have the luxury of a pre-season or a full-transfer window
Spackers - Fair enough, i still wouldn't use it as an excuse to beat Weir with though.


We aren't going to have pots of money to spend, but i think a reasonable expectation for the rookie manager should be to get us in or around the play-offs in his first season, and then improve form there

 

[Darren]

Bruce - Treading water, with a tight board.
Speed - Mediocre performances from a mediocre squad. Didn't have the luxury of a pre-season or a full-transfer window
Spackers - Fair enough, i still wouldn't use it as an excuse to beat Weir with though.


We aren't going to have pots of money to spend, but i think a reasonable expectation for the rookie manager should be to get us in or around the play-offs in his first season, and then improve form there

I am not using it as a stick to beat him with, just intrigued as to why people were so pleased with tyhis particular appointment.

I am afraid that even with a rookie manager, for a club of United's stature in the 3rd division, minimum and maximum expectations are the same - promotion.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

Tend to agree with the opening post. I'm pleased the club have at least looked around, and haven't just gone down the Bladey-bladey route.

Weir does represent potential, has served his coaching apprenticeship under a decent regime with sound principles, but the bloke has zero managerial experience and he's cutting his teeth with us. A lot of potential here, but it's undoubtedly a risk.

Same situation as if we'd got Page really, but Weir has more pedigree from who he's worked with in the last few years. That's the reason why I think fans have optimism about this - and I do too, but it's tempered.

 

[Pinchy]

I am not using it as a stick to beat him with, just intrigued as to why people were so pleased with tyhis particular appointment.

Because we were absolutely dreading the thought of all the alternatives?

He's played into his 40s at a high level, which suggests dedication and a high level of professionalism. His playing and (limited) coaching career were at the top level. His record suggests a thoroughly determined, winning mentality. He can put his medals on the table (as could Robson, I accept).

More than any of that, occasionally you get, for no particularly logical reason, a feeling about someone. It seems many of us have that feeling about this guy. I may be wrong; time will tell, but I am now looking forward to going back to The Lane next season.

 

[sitwell]

less than an hour in and the negatives begin ,prediction dates for 'time for a change' ?

 

[Kenilworth]

Because we were absolutely dreading the thought of all the alternatives?

He's played into his 40s at a high level, which suggests dedication and a high level of professionalism. His playing and (limited) coaching career were at the top level. His record suggests a thoroughly determined, winning mentality. He can put his medals on the table (as could Robson, I accept).

More than any of that, occasionally you get, for no particularly logical reason, a feeling about someone. It seems many of us have that feeling about this guy. I may be wrong; time will tell, but I am now looking forward to going back to The Lane next season.

What Pinchy said Darren - you morose barnard

Now I am going to have to find a new Avar - or should I wait and see?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Bruce = 1 season treading water before he buggered oof to the brighter pastures of Huddesrfield!
Speed = 4 months of mediocre performances see us hovering above the relegation zone
Spackman - loads of money spent and starts off well, performances slowly deteriorate (even before D&F were sold) and he resigns in a huff

Not disastrous, but not very good in any case.

Spackman - Started off excellently, unbeaten in the first 13 matches. Then McGrath and Whitehouse got seriously injured and never played again. Then Hutchison, Tiler and Ward were sold behind his back and performances start to deteriorate. Finally Deane and Fjortoft were sold behind his back, against his wishes and on the same day. Only then did he resign in a huff and I for one don't blame him.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Most of the recent managers haven't inspired confidence when appointed. I remember how massively disappointed I was when Robson was appointed, for instance. There just seems something about this guy, that I'm pleased about, just a feeling as Pinchy said. There was always a feeling about most recent managers that a substantial amount of supporters were waiting for them to fail. It may be the same with Weir, but I suspect the vast majority will give him a real chance...........before putting the boot in. I suddenly feel happier about next season, however irrational that may be.

 

[sitwell]

What Pinchy said Darren - you morose barnard

Now I am going to have to find a new Avar - or should I wait and see?

Im missing mine already

 

[Jonboy60]

Is 3yrs enough to change the 'culture' of sufc?. With the rubbish he's inherited I doubt it, but would rather he used the next season getting a squad together that would eventually get promotion, and compete in the championship. Anything earlier would be a bonus. I'm happy with the appointment though. UTB.

 

[Darren]

Spackman - Started off excellently, unbeaten in the first 13 matches. Then McGrath and Whitehouse got seriously injured and never played again. Then Hutchison, Tiler and Ward were sold behind his back and performances start to deteriorate. Finally Deane and Fjortoft were sold behind his back, against his wishes and on the same day. Only then did he resign in a huff and I for one don't blame him.

As a matter of fact, Hutchison went in Feb 98 after D&F. And though Ward and Tiler did go in Nov, in Nov and Dec we got Saunders, Stuart, Ford and David Lee on loan. I don't think many people thought the team was materially weakened before D&F went because of the transfer deals (the loss of McGrath and Whitehouse was another matter, but you can't blame that on the Board or Charles Green)

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I am slightly intrigued as to why everyone is so positive about this appointment. Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the best and really, really hope he succeeds. But here we have someone with a glittering playing career given his first managerial job. Precedents for this (Peters, Spackman, Bruce, Speed) are not exactly good.

So why should we be optimistic?

For one he works in football and not the law

 

[Bookers Mullet]

As a matter of fact, Hutchison went in Feb 98 after D&F. And though Ward and Tiler did go in Nov, in Nov and Dec we got Saunders, Stuart, Ford and David Lee on loan. I don't think many people thought the team was materially weakened before D&F went because of the transfer deals (the loss of McGrath and Whitehouse was another matter, but you can't blame that on the Board or Charles Green)

I think a big impact on Spackman was Will Donnachie(sp) leaving, i think he was a bit fish out of water after his departure.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Because we didn't learn a thing from our wild optimism over John Cofie. "♪♪Weir all going on a promotion holiday♪♪"

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I am not using it as a stick to beat him with, just intrigued as to why people were so pleased with this particular appointment.

I am afraid that even with a rookie manager, for a club of United's stature in the 3rd division, minimum and maximum expectations are the same - promotion.

With us being in the 3rd and him being a rookie the timing is about right.

He has no baggage like Robson and Wilson so the stands will be patient; nowt worse than seeing shit football and poor results delivered in front of fans who wouldn't have employed them to clean the boots in the first place let alone having them as the boss.

Onwards and upwards [not necessarily this season] but we got a great chance to build now.

 

[Sheff de party]

Bruce - Treading water, with a tight board.

How can you be treading water if you've got a board?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

As a matter of fact, Hutchison went in Feb 98 after D&F. And though Ward and Tiler did go in Nov, in Nov and Dec we got Saunders, Stuart, Ford and David Lee on loan. I don't think many people thought the team was materially weakened before D&F went because of the transfer deals (the loss of McGrath and Whitehouse was another matter, but you can't blame that on the Board or Charles Green)

You're right about Hutchison it was Patterson, who I rated highly even if nobody else did.
I don't blame Green for the injuries but either way, Spackman did a good job until the heart was ripped out of his team. Any manager would have found it difficult to maintain the same level of form.

 

[Foxy]

His playing and (limited) coaching career were at the top level. His record suggests a thoroughly determined, winning mentality.

He says in his book that he's driven by a "love of winning, bordering on an addiction" and a "fear of what comes after football".

 

[Bladesway]

I am slightly intrigued as to why everyone is so positive about this appointment. Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the best and really, really hope he succeeds. But here we have someone with a glittering playing career given his first managerial job. Precedents for this (Peters, Spackman, Bruce, Speed) are not exactly good.

So why should we be optimistic?

Because compared to Page, Morgan and Downes its an unexpectedly positive ending. Could turn out to be shit but considering where we are as a club could you pick a better option?

 

[Kenilworth]

He says in his book that he's driven by a "love of winning, bordering on an addiction" and a "fear of what comes after football".

For nearly all of us that will be a nice change from "fear of what comes after the pub"

 

[Pinchy]

For nearly all of us that will be a nice change from "fear of what comes after the pub"

The rolling pin?

 

[ponteblade]

To be fair spackman was doing a great job till the board sold the team from under him! I pray we don't get a repeat!

 

[murphysbrix]

The managers mentioned (except Peters) in the original post were all good, but let down and/or lied to by the board. What worries me about the appointment of Weir is the comment "... he can be assured that he has the full backing of the Board".
Read more at http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20130610-weir-named-blades-boss-859617.aspx#jpyXVI5hFuZI6DWL.99
Sounds like the same old bullshit. By January he'll be getting pissed off when we won't let him sign anyone...and then tell him he has to sell anyone we get an offer for!
I think he can do a great job for us...but he must be given time and this may well take all his 3 years and more. No calling for his head if we don't go up next season!!! UTB.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

To be fair spackman was doing a great job till the board sold the team from under him! I pray we don't get a repeat!

Be a sad day when they sell Doyle and Collins