We are vulnerable this summer.

[56yearsablade]

The last post from Woodwardfan underpins the points I made earlier.

CW is probably the lowest paid Manager ( maybe excepting Barnsley) in the Division , he has I believe I saw recently the third or the fourth lowest player wagebill in the division and I would imagine a similar rating if not worse on funds provided to him in the August 17 and January 18 windows.

There is in all reality silence from both KM and the Prince regarding the future which even taking in to account the potential sub judice aspects re the litigation is very very poor on their part.

What we can rely on is at the end of the season CW will call it the way he sees it and say the same thing to both the board and the supporters. His will be the voice we will and can rely on and he would be a fool (which he 100% is not) to pledge undying loyalty as regards next season in the light of the observations made above.

Sheffield United FC once again look like inexorably dragging defeat from the jaws of a potentially wonderful future !!

 

[Sean Thornton]

The last post from Woodwardfan underpins the points I made earlier.

CW is probably the lowest paid Manager ( maybe excepting Barnsley) in the Division , he has I believe I saw recently the third or the fourth lowest player wagebill in the division and I would imagine a similar rating if not worse on funds provided to him in the August 17 and January 18 windows.

There is in all reality silence from both KM and the Prince regarding the future which even taking in to account the potential sub judice aspects re the litigation is very very poor on their part.

What we can rely on is at the end of the season CW will call it the way he sees it and say the same thing to both the board and the supporters. His will be the voice we will and can rely on and he would be a fool (which he 100% is not) to pledge undying loyalty as regards next season in the light of the observations made above.

Sheffield United FC once again look like inexorably dragging defeat from the jaws of a potentially wonderful future !!

What would you expect the owners to say at this point?

 

[Woodwardfan]

The last post from Woodwardfan underpins the points I made earlier.

CW is probably the lowest paid Manager ( maybe excepting Barnsley) in the Division , he has I believe I saw recently the third or the fourth lowest player wagebill in the division and I would imagine a similar rating if not worse on funds provided to him in the August 17 and January 18 windows.

There is in all reality silence from both KM and the Prince regarding the future which even taking in to account the potential sub judice aspects re the litigation is very very poor on their part.

What we can rely on is at the end of the season CW will call it the way he sees it and say the same thing to both the board and the supporters. His will be the voice we will and can rely on and he would be a fool (which he 100% is not) to pledge undying loyalty as regards next season in the light of the observations made above.

Sheffield United FC once again look like inexorably dragging defeat from the jaws of a potentially wonderful future !!

Maybe not 'bullshit' IdLiketoRogerMoore .

Time will tell.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Realistically we are odds on to miss out this year and therefore the scenario's mentioned earlier in this thread as regards the decisions CW will be faced with are both realistic and from a fans point of view daunting when you look at the situation from CW's perspective.

CW is 50 years old and has managed at Alfreton/Halifax/Oxford/Northampton and then us. It is 100% certain that CW will have received minimal remuneration throughout his career including I would speculate with us when he no doubt did not initially place wage negotiations above simply returning to the Lane and whilst he has in the interim received an "improved" contract the base point before the improvement is likely to have been pretty low. In a nutshell from his managerial career in football CW will not be a ealthy man.

What does it matter some people will say "he is a blade and will never leave us voluntarily ? - I would say to this nonsense, CW needs to look after his family and if he peers in to a 2018/19 season potentially devoid of transfer funding ( ownership dispute et al) he will know that the percentages dictate that 2018/19 will be much much harder than 2017/18.

His stock will never be higher in the game than at the end of this season - put yourself in his position on the basis life changing offers are made to him in the summer ( as will happen) what would you do ? ........................................

Like it or not, we're going to finish around 10th this season which is near as damn it - mid table.

Mid table Championship managers don't get headhunted for PL jobs.

Typical negative Blade's worrying about something which won't happen..

We'll be reyt. You'll see...

 

[56yearsablade]

We all accept the litigation is sub judici, these aspects will unfortunately take their natural course excepting any change in strategy/heart from the owners The time lag before a decision will in my opinion be calamitous as regards whatv is best for our club.

I am talking more about winning the hearts and minds of the 25,000 fans who if they soberly assess the situation must have some degree of worry about outcomes including and probably most importantly the future of CW.

If I was the Prince I would realise that a shit storm of negativity is brewing towards him with his Belgian DOF in the wings and the reported reluctance to support CW substantially in the last two windows. He hardly ever comes to games and without "game changing " investment post a potential acquisitiion he could well find himself the subject of car park demos very early on in his tenure. He needs a PR campaign to try to convince us he is not a chancer. As for KM he at least had the Copthorne meeting however the discussion was very light on the imminent future. It is more difficult for KM however can you see the point I am trying to make re the Prince ..................

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Maybe not 'bullshit' IdLiketoRogerMoore .

Time will tell.

Fuck me, you lot are negative. I bet half an hour in the pub with you lot feels like a lifetime.

Have some fookin pride and self respect and stop all the negativity bullshit. The club existed for over a century before this guy came along and will survive long after he's gone.

He needs us as much as we need him. It's a perfect match.

As for going elsewhere, where is there that's realistically going to offer him the same? All the clubs ahead of us will argue their managers have done better, and as I've said elsewhere the PL clubs won't even have him on a Long List.

Ironically the best fit for him outside of S2 is over in S6 Mittwoch. Now there's a doomsday scenario for all you negative ninnies to panic over!!!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Fuck me, you lot are negative. I bet half an hour in the pub with you lot feels like a lifetime.

Have some fookin pride and self respect and stop all the negativity bullshit. The club existed for over a century before this guy came along and will survive long after he's gone.

He needs us as much as we need him. It's a perfect match.

As for going elsewhere, where is there that's realistically going to offer him the same? All the clubs ahead of us will argue their managers have done better, and as I've said elsewhere the PL clubs won't even have him on a Long List.

Ironically the best fit for him outside of S2 is over in S6 Mittwoch. Now there's a doomsday scenario for all you negative ninnies to panic over!!!

Southampton and West Brom will not be in thr Premier League soon and anyway the same issues do arise with any club with cash to spend and looking for a successful manager who can better himself and add some financial security for his family.

Love a night in the pub actually. Beats having one's head in the sand anytime and if you have then always look behind you or you might get rogered Blade.!

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Southampton and West Brom will not be in thr Premier League soon and anyway the same issues do arise with any club with cash to spend and looking for a successful manager who can better himself and add some financial security for his family.

Love a night in the pub actually. Beats having one's head in the sand anytime and if you have then always look behind you or you might get rogered Roger.!

You've just proved my point...

"Looking for a successful manager"

As much as I love Sir Chris of Tufty, and I'm sure he'll be the first to admit, mid table Championship isn't success... Not in terms of PL teams or teams just dropping down.

Hopefully this time next year, your fears will be justified, but right now we'll be reyt.

 

[Woodwardfan]

You've just proved my point...

"Looking for a successful manager"

As much as I love Sir Chris of Tufty, and I'm sure he'll be the first to admit, mid table Championship isn't success... Not in terms of PL teams or teams just dropping down.

Hopefully this time next year, your fears will be justified, but right now we'll be reyt.

Record points with 2 different clubs in successive years, followed by a strong challenge for top 6 in the Championship with a lower bottom- half budget. All achieved with positive attacking football and immense entertainment.

Roger - you must be joking!

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Southampton, Stoke and West Brom would be daft not to be looking at Wilder for next season though that doesn't mean he'd necessarily get the job or whether he'd even want to go.
But the chances of him leaving will increase the longer he doesn't receive reasonable backing in the transfer market.
For one, he knows he deserves that and two, he also knows that while it's all rosey at the moment, fans have short memories and a downturn in results could quckly spoil what's been achieved so far.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Record points with 2 different clubs in successive years, followed by a strong challenge for top 6 in the Championship with a lower bottom- half budget. All achieved with positive attacking football and immense entertainment.

Roger - you must be joking!

As others have said, I'm sure Neil Harris, Gary Rowett and the chap from Brentford will be ahead of him in the queue based on this season...

Rest easy Woody. It'll all be ok. Trust me....

 

[Jan Age]

You would hope that two business men would be able to keep this as simple as it needs to be mainly:

A) this is the price you pay if we are in the Premiership
B) this is the price you pay if we are in the Chamiponship

2 lots of contracts drawn up one gets binned one gets signed as soon as we know for sure which division we are in.

If they can’t achieve that in the time since the announcement then they can both piss off.

 

[Addison]

None of the three coming down will be interested in Chris Wilder. If its Stoke they'll probably give Lambert another go as they've only just appointed him. Southampton are likely to continue with Hughes but if not it will be a foreign manager. That leaves West Brom who may be interested in a British appointment but only one like Dean Smith who will fit into their model of DOF and coach.

For CW to move on he will have to accept less control of off the field issues that he has now at the Lane. He's already turned down Charlton on this point of principle. His preference for British players will not be attractive to foreign owners so where are there better opportunities for him? None currently in the premiership and he'd have a lot less control at top end championship clubs something we are led to believe has sparked the current ownership dispute.

Listening to CW he has ambition but wants to achieve that with SUFC. The Board need to match that ambition irrespective of what the ownership battle result is as failure to do so will be the pre cursor to him considering his future not a bid from unknown premiership clubs.

 

[South Bucks]

We are vulnerable this summer as with or without the ownership dispute we'll spend nowt this summer on quality players, just a few more average squad players as usual to sit in the stand. Other clubs will look at our average record and not learning from tactical mistakes in the last 6 months, forget what went before, its history. Wilder will be going nowhere unless HRH wins the battle and then our 6 month stagnation without adaptation may not have gone unnoticed.

 

[blade too long]

Not sure that's anything to do with this thread is it?

why are we discussing hypothetical scenarios
not just second guessing but once again seeing nothing but a bleak dark future
yes weve been happy for 2 seasons

surely weve 20 years of utter despair ahead to make up for it according to the manic depressives on here


some people on here ought to write horror movies they sure do have a very dark outlook

if we win the last 3 and win the play offs some on here will commit suicide as the lack of bleakness would be too much

 

[loyalblade95]

None of the three coming down will be interested in Chris Wilder. If its Stoke they'll probably give Lambert another go as they've only just appointed him. Southampton are likely to continue with Hughes but if not it will be a foreign manager. That leaves West Brom who may be interested in a British appointment but only one like Dean Smith who will fit into their model of DOF and coach.

For CW to move on he will have to accept less control of off the field issues that he has now at the Lane. He's already turned down Charlton on this point of principle. His preference for British players will not be attractive to foreign owners so where are there better opportunities for him? None currently in the premiership and he'd have a lot less control at top end championship clubs something we are led to believe has sparked the current ownership dispute.

Listening to CW he has ambition but wants to achieve that with SUFC. The Board need to match that ambition irrespective of what the ownership battle result is as failure to do so will be the pre cursor to him considering his future not a bid from unknown premiership clubs.

West Brom are meant to be looking at McCarthy and he wants that job as well

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

West Brom are meant to be looking at McCarthy and he wants that job as well

After beating Man U, I'm sure Darren Moore might have something to say about that.... So Wilder is at best 3rd choice for that job...

I'm sure that won't stop some flat earthers round here running round panicking!

 

[Woodwardfan]

As others have said, I'm sure Neil Harris, Gary Rowett and the chap from Brentford will be ahead of him in the queue based on this season...

Rest easy Woody. It'll all be ok. Trust me....

Trust someone who opens up with 'bullshit' when I've posted a serious o.p.? Especially when you only started thinking about the issues further in the debate. No thank you sir.

Cheap initial post Blade but 10 easy likes justify it I suppose. And most were very easy

 

[Woodwardfan]

why are we discussing hypothetical scenarios
not just second guessing but once again seeing nothing but a bleak dark future
yes weve been happy for 2 seasons

surely weve 20 years of utter despair ahead to make up for it according to the manic depressives on here


some people on here ought to write horror movies they sure do have a very dark outlook

if we win the last 3 and win the play offs some on here will commit suicide as the lack of bleakness would be too much

Better but not remotely relevant @ blade too long. This is not pessimism it's realism and not just doom mongering but encouraging support of our manager and recognising his operating conditions.

Recently Social Media effectively blocked the appointment of McLaren at Hillsborough.

Recognise the issues and rally round the manager Blades. Actively support our manager week in week out. I'm writing to him today to tell him how much I value him.

 

[blade too long]

This is not pessimism .

you said youd had 10 likes
theyd be from the usual doom mongers

the not too happy clappers

 

[Pierre's PC]

you said youd had 10 likes
theyd be from the usual doom mongers

the not too happy clappers

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To be fair i got 6 likes for not reading it, so hardly a barometer

 

[Woodwardfan]

You would hope that two business men would be able to keep this as simple as it needs to be mainly:

A) this is the price you pay if we are in the Premiership
B) this is the price you pay if we are in the Chamiponship

2 lots of contracts drawn up one gets binned one gets signed as soon as we know for sure which division we are in.

If they can’t achieve that in the time since the announcement then they can both piss off.

The professional valuations of tjr freeholds will take an age to agree. The longer it takes the more fees the 'professionals' make - and by the way the prince will be totally dependant on such advisors.

 

[Woodwardfan]

West Brom are meant to be looking at McCarthy and he wants that job as well

You choose if you were West Brom - M cCarthy or Wilder?!!!

 

[Woodwardfan]

you said youd had 10 likes
theyd be from the usual doom mongers

the not too happy clappers

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Again you cannot read lad. It's roger who got the 'likes'. Give it up.

 

[raul]

What he doesn't know is that he's actually got 11 likes, but guess why he can't see them.....??

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Trust someone who opens up with 'bullshit' when I've posted a serious o.p.? Especially when you only started thinking about the issues further in the debate. No thank you sir.

Cheap initial post Blade but 10 easy likes justify it I suppose. And most were very easy

Serious??? Jees. I thought you were a sad parody of an account...

Oh. You are? My bad... Bet you're the kind of bloke who puts prunes on his All Bran just in case!

Believe what you want, but the fact remains your first post is complete and utter bollocks and the work of someone who feels insecure and negative but tries to justify all this as 'realism'.

As you were.

 

[Woodwardfan]

What he doesn't know is that he's actually got 11 likes, but guess why he can't see them.....??

Again one who doesn't follow a thread.

I got 1 'like' Raul.

It's hard when some can't keep up and yet are so quick to post little digs.

Please, welcome opinion, debate it or keep away if you've nothing useful to say.

That's fair comment surely.

 

[Pierre's PC]

raul been scolded like a naughty child

 

[Addison]

You choose if you were West Brom - M cCarthy or Wilder?!!!

One has taken a national team to the World Cup finals, two promotions to the premiership and managed for a number of years in both the premiership and championship on his CV. The other is close to completing his first season in the championship as a manager. Who would you pick?

 

[Esablade]

...thought the OP was just another plea for McCabe and ‘no money’ again tbh.

The general fuck-upness of SUFC may be a factor in where Wilder/players end up in the summer...it may not.

No one really knows how that’s going to pan out as yet...including Wilder...probably.