Warnock's Cunning Plan? - Disgraceful article

[Revolution]

A man down and two goals down but half an hour still to play Warnock says "Fuck this, its all over. Georges, if you want to have a go get stuck in, Im going to have a look in the TV Times and see if Poirots on tonight, call me when its finished"/

Er, no, I don't think he says anything of the sort. In fact he may not say anything at all.

I think that (a) Warnock knew that Santos was intent on having a go at Johnson and (b) in deciding to bring him on he would have considered the state of the game. My guess would be that he would not have done it if we were 1-0 up with 11 men, for example. By contrast, with 10 men and 2 goals down, there was little to lose.

Its worth remembering in this context that Wally Downes is a lying c**t who wasnt averse to nobbling players himself. To try and cast him as St Wally, purveyor of the fine arts of football, well, did you see him play?

Yes I did, and I don't know about lying, but everything else you say about Downes is true.

I still think it's a bit odd that various different players and managers, at various different times, have accused Warnock of doing this. If you think they are all lying, fine. I doubt it.

Its also worth remembering in this context that some people in football have alot of time for Warnock.

They do indeed. He has some positive qualities and can be charming in person by all accounts. I think that even the most ardent of his supporters would be forced to admit, however, that more people seem to dislike him than like him. Anyway, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

 

[JJ Sefton]

They do indeed. He has some positive qualities and can be charming in person by all accounts. I think that even the most ardent of his supporters would be forced to admit, however, that more people seem to dislike him than like him. Anyway, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Indeed, which was and is, sadly, the case among United fans despite being the most, or only, successful United manager in 20 years. Living in London I often had fans of other clubs slating the guy and I stuck up for him. I was always amazed I had to do the same thing when talking to Unitedites. Still am.

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Yes I did, and I don't know about lying, but everything else you say about Downes is true.

I still think it's a bit odd that various different players and managers, at various different times, have accused Warnock of doing this. If you think they are all lying, fine. I doubt it.

As I recall Warnock shouted "Get stuck in" while stamping his foot, something he seemed to every five seconds. Downes took this as an instruction to cripple one of his players and set about Warnock, his sense of honour and love for the beautful game of Puskas, Pele and Di Stefano, outraged.

As for the others, well, as weve seen, Megson was obviously lying. I dont know about what Carver is supposed to have said but Steve Bull? You mean the bloke who played for Wolves, fluked it into the Italia 90 squad and was last seen managing Stafford Rangers and opening an Asda in Wolverhampton? Not to denigrate his career, but you could see why, post Megson, he might want to try and grab a bit of limelight.

 

[axel smeets]

I remember he said, perhaps 2 years before he left, during one of the anti - Warnock fan outbursts at the Lane: "You'll miss me when I'm gone." How right he was.

 

[Revolution]

Indeed, which was and is, sadly, the case among United fans despite being the most, or only, successful United manager in 20 years.

If success is 3 semi finals and instant relegation after a promotion, you are a little hard on Dave Bassett here.

Living in London I often had fans of other clubs slating the guy and I stuck up for him.

Well, it depends what they are slating him about. He does some things very well (e.gs create and organise a defence, spot transfer bargains, rehabilitiate players who have lost their way at other clubs, instill a never say die team spirit). He also has a reputation on some issues which he does not deserve (eg you read his teams are always full of cloggers, or he always plays hoofball, and neither accusation is true). I have defended him on these points. His criticism of referees is also often bang on the money. Some of the criticism of him is justified, however, and he can be fairly criticised for giving Santos the opportunity to do what he did.

 

[BusheyBlade]

Its worth remembering in this context that Wally Downes is a lying cunt who wasnt averse to nobbling players himself. To try and cast him as St Wally, purveyor of the fine arts of football, well, did you see him play?

I knew very little about Wally Downes before we played at Reading in the Premiership season. I learnt all I needed to know in those crazy 5 minutes where he tried to nut Warnock for no reason whatsoever. Oh yes, it was because one of the Reading players (clearly all Saints at the time) tried to break Monty's legs and Warnock had the audacoty to point it out to the 4th official. Keith Gillespie's behaviour was indefensible when he came on, but it was hardly shocking that Stephen C(h)unt was involved was it? Downes' behaviour that day was absolutley shocking and I'm still amazed that the Reading bench got away with it. Hardly surprising that he now plies his trade with the cheats in East London.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Some of the criticism of him is justified, however, and he can be fairly criticised for giving Santos the opportunity to do what he did.

Something for which Megson was just as guilty.

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If success is 3 semi finals and instant relegation after a promotion, you are a little hard on Dave Bassett here.

We're accepting the obvious lies of a Pig like Megson and a clogger like Wally Downes as ammo to denigrate our most successful manager in 17 years then.

 

[lenners]

Neil Warnock, eight years our manager, one promotion, one immediate relegation.
Managerial genius.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Neil Warnock...Managerial genius

Couldn't agree more ;-)

 

[JJ Sefton]

Neil Warnock, eight years our manager, one promotion, one immediate relegation.
Managerial genius.

Took over a bankrupt club and in about 18 months built a team which which got to two semi finals and a play off final for a net outlay of about £0. Took us up which four managers before him had failed to do and, when there, won a points total which any other Premiership season bar one would have kept us up.

Aye, what a twat. Just look how much better we've done since he left.

 

[raul]

I remember he said, perhaps 2 years before he left, during one of the anti - Warnock fan outbursts at the Lane: "You'll miss me when I'm gone." How right he was.

Would we have missed him if his successor had taken us straight back up and we were still in the Prem?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Would we have missed him if his successor had taken us straight back up and we were still in the Prem?

Would my cousin be a wardrobe if she had doors?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Took over a bankrupt club and in about 18 months built a team which which got to two semi finals and a play off final for a net outlay of about £0. Took us up which four managers before him had failed to do and, when there, won a points total which any other Premiership season bar one would have kept us up.

Aye, what a twat. Just look how much better we've done since he left.

Spot on. Not to mention a subject very close to Len's heart. Our average attendance went up from 13,700 in the season he took over to 30,512 when he left.
That was more down to success on the pitch and the sense of togetherness (soul?) that Warnock engendered rather than any "innovative" season ticket offers or adverts in The Star.

Year Ave Att
2007 30.512
2006 23.650
2005 19.594
2004 21.646
2003 18.073
2002 18.031
2001 17.211
2000 13.700

 

[bricktop]

But in each and every one of those years Len was telling all and sundry how the bubble was going to burst and the crowd was going to drop back down

 

[oldblade]

Neil Warnock, eight years our manager, one promotion, one immediate relegation.
Managerial genius.

Neil Warnock. In December 1999 took over a financially crippled second division club that was second from bottom of that league and in it's last home game got all of around a 9,000 attendance. Made immediate impact, winning four and drawing one his first 5 games (thus getting almost double the points that Adams has managed in about 14 games) and transformed the whole atmosphere at Bramall Lane.

We were never in any danger of going down to the third division at any time under his managership after that, and 3 years later reached an FA Cup semi final and a League Cup semi final, recording wins against several premier league teams, and although losing to Arsenal in the FA Cup, were in no way out footballed.

He gave the opportunity for players like Tonge and Jagielka to flourish, and I even seem to remember that Stephen Quinn looked a completely different player under him.

In the first season when any money of any significance was available he achieved promotion, and in so doing delivered a league double over Wednesday.

Most had us as nailed on certainties for the drop in that all too brief premier league season. But against all expectations we almost stayed up, and were only denied a second season because another club broke the rules. And even now we are still benefitting from the marked increase in our attendances that occurred during his time here.

Managerial genius - No. Good manager - Yes, and if he were here now I very much doubt we would be anywhere near the bottom three.

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Would we have missed him if his successor had taken us straight back up and we were still in the Prem?

No. But he didn't, so we do.

 

[axel smeets]

Would we have missed him if his successor had taken us straight back up and we were still in the Prem?

I wish his successor HAD taken us back up as champions, and that we were now in the Premier League. Every single person on this message board does. But we aren't.

 

[puppet]

Neil Warnock. In December 1999 took over a financially crippled second division club that was second from bottom of that league and in it's last home game got all of around a 9,000 attendance. Made immediate impact, winning four and drawing one his first 5 games (thus getting almost double the points that Adams has managed in about 14 games) and transformed the whole atmosphere at Bramall Lane.

We were never in any danger of going down to the third division at any time under his managership after that, and 3 years later reached an FA Cup semi final and a League Cup semi final, recording wins against several premier league teams, and although losing to Arsenal in the FA Cup, were in no way out footballed.

He gave the opportunity for players like Tonge and Jagielka to flourish, and I even seem to remember that Stephen Quinn looked a completely different player under him.

In the first season when any money of any significance was available he achieved promotion, and in so doing delivered a league double over Wednesday.

Most had us as nailed on certainties for the drop in that all too brief premier league season. But against all expectations we almost stayed up, and were only denied a second season because another club broke the rules. And even now we are still benefitting from the marked increase in our attendances that occurred during his time here.

Managerial genius - No. Good manager - Yes, and if he were here now I very much doubt we would be anywhere near the bottom three.

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No. But he didn't, so we do.

be interesting to see if he adopts a try not to lose/keep the score down policy with QPR next season... always assuming he keeps his job. we were crap in the premier league and we went down because we didnt achieve enough points. simple as.

 

[oldblade]

be interesting to see if he adopts a try not to lose/keep the score down policy with QPR next season... always assuming he keeps his job. we were crap in the premier league and we went down because we didnt achieve enough points. simple as.

Did Carl Lewis fail to win the 1988 olympic 100 metres final because he didn't run fast enough? No, it was because the person finishing ahead of him cheated. The difference is that the responsible authority in that sport took appropriate action.

Had West Ham played to the rules we probably would have had enough points.

I will grant you that I would have liked us to have been more positive away from home, but bar one or two exceptions we played quite well at home and were involved in some pretty entertaining games.

 

[sitwell]

We were crap in the premier league because we had about 3 pence invested by the nob upstairs compared with fortunes afforded other lesser managers.

 

[sothall blade]

Did Carl Lewis fail to win the 1988 olympic 100 metres final because he didn't run fast enough? No, it was because the person finishing ahead of him cheated. The difference is that the responsible authority in that sport took appropriate action.

Had West Ham played to the rules we probably would have had enough points.

I will grant you that I would have liked us to have been more positive away from home, but bar one or two exceptions we played quite well at home and were involved in some pretty entertaining games.

some people tend to forget that towards the end of that season,man utd and liverpool fielded weakend teams to play against lesser opponents and lost games they were nailed on to win,cant remember any action being taken against the big 2,unlike when wolves and blackpool did this season,fuckin premier league one rule for the big boys and something totally different for everybody else :thumbdown:

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be interesting to see if he adopts a try not to lose/keep the score down policy with QPR next season... always assuming he keeps his job. we were crap in the premier league and we went down because we didnt achieve enough points. simple as.

whilst i acknowledge what NW did for us,he used to frustate me like fuck when he bollocked the players for showing to much respect to the opposing team,he was guilty of this himself,playing one upfront at most of the away games, i much prefererred his theory that he preached when we played leeds,that being we are SHEFFIELD UTD,let them fuckin worry about us

 

[lenners]

One of the few slices of entertainment left in this car crash of a season will be watching our Neil's reaction if QPR are docked a serious number of points.

 

[JohnDenver]

One of the few slices of entertainment left in this car crash of a season will be watching our Neil's reaction if QPR are docked a serious number of points.

About 50 would seem fair.

 

[Selly]

One of the few slices of entertainment left in this car crash of a season will be watching our Neil's reaction if QPR are docked a serious number of points.

Well they should be.

I said at teh time of the Tevez affair that WHU should have been docked every point they earnt where Tevez or Mascherano played, up to the point where they were charged with the breach of rules (as at that point they had been given the go-ahead to continue playing him)

I see no reason to take a different stance now

And if that means deducting points gained last season, from this seasons total so be it.

Won`t happen though, at the worst they'll be kept down by the FA.

If I were QPR I'd worry about the Agent stuff, thats what Luton got hammered for...