Warnock sacked

[bladeinspaceandtime]

You can't blame QPR for giving old Neil the boot if they are looking to splash some cash during the transfer window.

 

[bricktop]

You can't blame QPR for giving old Neil the boot if they are looking to splash some cash during the transfer window.

Although i've never been a great fan of Warnock, i do get the feeling that on this occasion he has been hard done to. It wouldn't surprise me if they went out and got a big name manager in, splashed the cash and then dropped back in to the Championship.

 

[Revolution]

From The Grauniad:

If this was the case, it was bound to compound the QPR board's two main concerns: the side's relegation form of two points from the last eight Premier League outings and, related to it, investment from a sizeable war chest by a man shortly to leave. With QPR "willing to go for it", according to one club insider, there were serious reservations regarding Warnock's ability to attract the calibre of player required to lift the club from 17th and stay away from danger.

.......

Regarding the board's concerns over Warnock's recruitment policy a glance at his business in the last window suggests their genesis.

Joey Barton is the headline case: he may be the captain and the club's highest earner but the scouser has yet to win a game for QPR and his preoccupation with Twitter should have become an embarrassment to him when the team's results started going south.

Of the rest of Warnock's summer shopping spree, Kieron Dyer is injured (yet again), Shaun Wright-Phillips is inconsistent, Jay Bothoyd overtaken by the 33-year-old Helguson, Danny Gabbidon sluggish, DJ Campbell unconvincing and Armand Traoré has faded, while Anton Ferdinand is steady enough and Bruno Perone and Brian Murphy have madetwo appearances between them.

A familiar story. As with this comment from a QPR fan after the Norwich game:

Warnock's going to take us down. He's brilliant in the lower leagues but has struggled with team selections and substitutions this season. SWP had a great game today but has been played out of position since he signed. We play with five in midfield at home which is the main reason why we have won once against nine men. Lambert brought on three players at the same time today and won the game. Warnock didn't bring any subs on against Swansea because he was content with a point and didn't want to gamble. He's spent the season doing his best impression of Uriah Heep telling everyone how humble we are to play at the mighty stadia of the League of Mammon.

Basically we're powderpuff up front and our defence is fragile. We've used the most players in the division and are about to sign a load more so still haven't got a fixed side and it's January. Our only hope is that three teams will be worse than us but when Blackburn can win at Old Trafford and we're happy to be on the same pitch then it says it all. Humble, so humble.

The first article suggested Warnock was going to retire at the end of the year. I bet he looks for something else now.

 

[Ollessendro]

Can't see the QPR fans being happy about that, they love him down there.

It's harsh in my opinion, and a surprise given his popularity with fans (though apparently Fernandez has had a few fans tweeting him to get rid in last week or two). I doubt NW will want to end his career on that note - plenty of Championship clubs wouldn't hesitate to bring him in I'd have thought.

I work with a QPR fan he only expressed last week that he was "very worried" about the situation. He stated that Warnock has done a great job, but looked out of his depth. His signings have been poor and have not worked. he's spent money on misfits (because he cannot attract players) and the likes of Wright-Phillips and Barton have been poor. QPR have a terrible run in and they need to pick up points now. This is his opinion, not mine.

From what I gather the bubble has burst with QPR fans and they did not rate him as a top flight manager. Rev's point below seems to confirm this. It seems an incredibly harsh decision to me, but the timing makes sense. They can bring someone in (Hughes is beign tipped) that can spend in the window, pick up points in Feb and March and then hold on for the run in!

My response was 'you need to sack him now' or keep him in charge to take you down (or praying he keeps you up) and bring you back up. Worst mistake we made was getting rid when we did!

From The Grauniad:

If this was the case, it was bound to compound the QPR board's two main concerns: the side's relegation form of two points from the last eight Premier League outings and, related to it, investment from a sizeable war chest by a man shortly to leave. With QPR "willing to go for it", according to one club insider, there were serious reservations regarding Warnock's ability to attract the calibre of player required to lift the club from 17th and stay away from danger.

.......

Regarding the board's concerns over Warnock's recruitment policy a glance at his business in the last window suggests their genesis.

Joey Barton is the headline case: he may be the captain and the club's highest earner but the scouser has yet to win a game for QPR and his preoccupation with Twitter should have become an embarrassment to him when the team's results started going south.

Of the rest of Warnock's summer shopping spree, Kieron Dyer is injured (yet again), Shaun Wright-Phillips is inconsistent, Jay Bothoyd overtaken by the 33-year-old Helguson, Danny Gabbidon sluggish, DJ Campbell unconvincing and Armand Traoré has faded, while Anton Ferdinand is steady enough and Bruno Perone and Brian Murphy have madetwo appearances between them.

A familiar story. As with this comment from a QPR fan after the Norwich game:

Warnock's going to take us down. He's brilliant in the lower leagues but has struggled with team selections and substitutions this season. SWP had a great game today but has been played out of position since he signed. We play with five in midfield at home which is the main reason why we have won once against nine men. Lambert brought on three players at the same time today and won the game. Warnock didn't bring any subs on against Swansea because he was content with a point and didn't want to gamble. He's spent the season doing his best impression of Uriah Heep telling everyone how humble we are to play at the mighty stadia of the League of Mammon.

Basically we're powderpuff up front and our defence is fragile. We've used the most players in the division and are about to sign a load more so still haven't got a fixed side and it's January. Our only hope is that three teams will be worse than us but when Blackburn can win at Old Trafford and we're happy to be on the same pitch then it says it all. Humble, so humble.

The first article suggested Warnock was going to retire at the end of the year. I bet he looks for something else now.

 

[super_pig]

>we're happy to be on the same pitch then it says it all. Humble, so humble.
sounds familiar doesn't it.. if fernandez had given him the money he'd have bought ten championship standard centre forwards..

 

[Bladesman]

>we're happy to be on the same pitch then it says it all. Humble, so humble.
sounds familiar doesn't it.. if fernandez had given him the money he'd have bought ten championship standard centre forwards..

Geoff Horsfield and Akinbiyi would of been on there way to Loftus Road.

 

[dkc Blade]

He might not have kept them up. But a new manager doesn't necessarily improve the situation, as we found out last season. Wigan, Blackburn and Bolton have all kept faith with their managers so far,

 

[raul]

Alternatively ask West Ham fans if they did right sticking with Average or ask any Hibee if e should have kept Colin Balsawood

 

[JohnDenver]

I think this is a different article to the one Rev references. Makes the case quite well:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/09/neil-warnock-loved-qpr

A new documentary about life at QPR under Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone, The Four Year Plan, shows Neil Warnock arriving at Loftus Road to take up the job of manager. He walks past the home dressing room, whose door bears a sign with the words "Winners only" and says with a half-laugh: "We'll have to get rid of that."

The QPR Warnock took over in March 2010 were anything but winners – plunging towards relegation in a season that saw them run through three "permanent" managers and two caretakers. A little over a year later he'd led Rangers to the Championship title, playing often scintillating football. Which is why, today, you won't find many Rangers fans celebrating his departure.

In fact, across the main Rangers messageboards – Loft For Words, qprdot.org, We Are the Rangers Boys, QPR Report – you'll find thread after thread of deep disappointment. Even those who don't think he was the right man to keep Rangers in the Premier League aren't gloating, for in less than two years Warnock had done enough to be regarded by virtually all Loftus Road regulars as little short of a hero.

"I'd just like to thank you for all you done for QPR. You put the pride back into our club when we were the biggest laughing stock in football. You were responsible for giving us one of the best seasons we're likely to have. That's all. I'm too gutted to write anymore," wrote Snipper at Loft For Words. "This is a knee jerk reaction made by a man who has spent millions on a few 'household name' players and wanted instant success," said GaryT at qprdot.org.

"Thanks a million Neil Warnock you will be a hard act to follow," said NorfolkHoop at We Are the Rangers Boys. Or, as RorytheRanger put it at QPR Report: "We love you Neil Warnock." There was more – much, much more – along the same lines on all the boards.

I started questioning how long Warnock would last in W12 before the Hoops' current dismal run of two points from eight games began. By chance, I spent a large chunk of an evening out in November talking to an old pro – not a QPR player – who'd played for Warnock and was full of praise for him. "But," he said, "he doesn't do tactics. He admits that. He's a motivator."

That made me wonder how the players QPR brought in at the end of the summer would respond to him. After all, many of them had worked with managers for whom screaming "Up and at 'em!" took a very distant second place to constructing playing methods based on planning and tactics. It also made me wonder if it is possible to succeed in the top flight without having tactical know-how.

Certainly, many of those summer signings do not seem to have been giving their best for Warnock since that blissful early run that saw Newcastle United played off the park and Wolves beaten: Joey Barton's performances have prompted far more grumbling than anything Warnock's done, and the only unqualified success has been Luke Young. The best answer to the tactical query came from Rangers' two games against Norwich City, in November and January, when in both cases QPR lost after Paul Lambert made substitutions and reconfigured his team, with almost immediate results, while Warnock failed to respond. In the game at Loftus Road, Norwich's substitutions were followed by Clint Hill, the Rangers left-back, bellowing to the dug-out: "You've got to change it! It's fucking five against four! They've got wing backs! You've got to change it." Change came there none, and moments later Norwich scored their winner.

That rabbit-in-the-headlights approach to strategy had become a feature at QPR. Why was Warnock picking only one striker at home, for a team struggling to score? Why were players being used out of position? Why was the willing but limited Jamie Mackie being used on the right wing instead of Shaun Wright-Phillips? Why was Adel Taarabt frozen out of the team for much of late autumn, when – for all the problems with him – he was the only midfielder capable of offering creativity to the team?

Rangers' owner, Tony Fernandes, knew that despite all Warnock's shortcomings he was adored by the fans. And so his tweets last night had the slightly self-pitying tone of a man who doesn't want to be unpopular: "I apologise to the fans I have upset by this decision," he said at one point. But, even so, he may well have felt the same as Warnock did on his arrival in west London: you only deserve to be called a winner if you're actually winning.

And so we bid farewell to Neil Warnock from W12 with some words posted on the web last night: "Neil Warnock is a legend for what he's done at QPR." They're not from Snipper or RorytheRanger. They're from Twitter, from – and I think you saw this coming – Tony Fernandes.

 

[broomhillblade]

Time to get Warnock in and sort this mess out at the lane.

Care to elaborate on "this mess"?

I thought things were going rather well.

[I see that Keith Curle and Mick Jones have been given the boot by QPR as well]

 

[blade too long]

Lets sack our manager of the month and set on someone who hasnt won in 10

I can see a flaw in that plan

 

[Jostein Flo]

Lets sack our manager of the month and set on someone who hasnt won in 10

I can see a flaw in that plan

Just the one?

Jesus Christ! From reading these posts you'd think we we're nailed on for relegation unless we gave Warnock the job for life. He was a good manager for us, gave us some great memories and as a lower league manager I rate him as one of the best BUT...

He rubbed people up the wrong way and I 100% believe his attitude and his rants contributed to us getting a raw deal from referees, the FA and other teams on a number of occasions. Yes, the "Them against Us" approach can work but I don't think that a club should be run like that constantly. Also we have a small but fairly settled squad now which is part of the reason for some good performances lately. Warnock was all about the big "I AM" and you wouldn't put it past him to start breaking it up just so he can put his stamp on it.

And yes, his last few seasons at The Lane were great with promotion and a season in the Premiership but how long did it take him to put the squad together to do that? 4 or 5 years and then we spent big and got promotion? And in that time we had some distinctly average times. How many fans would give Warnock even 2 years to get us promoted and this time with less than two pennies to rub together.

Thanks for the memories, but let's leave them there shall we?

 

[sothall blade]

Just the one?

Jesus Christ! From reading these posts you'd think we we're nailed on for relegation unless we gave Warnock the job for life. He was a good manager for us, gave us some great memories and as a lower league manager I rate him as one of the best BUT...

He rubbed people up the wrong way and I 100% believe his attitude and his rants contributed to us getting a raw deal from referees, the FA and other teams on a number of occasions. Yes, the "Them against Us" approach can work but I don't think that a club should be run like that constantly. Also we have a small but fairly settled squad now which is part of the reason for some good performances lately. Warnock was all about the big "I AM" and you wouldn't put it past him to start breaking it up just so he can put his stamp on it.

And yes, his last few seasons at The Lane were great with promotion and a season in the Premiership but how long did it take him to put the squad together to do that? 4 or 5 years and then we spent big and got promotion? And in that time we had some distinctly average times. How many fans would give Warnock even 2 years to get us promoted and this time with less than two pennies to rub together.

Thanks for the memories, but let's leave them there shall we?

totally agree with you jostein,especially about rubbing people up the wrong way,in NWs autobiography he openly admits to stirring the the shit and offending the liverpool manager and bench in the league cup tie because he was running scared we was going to get outplayed,totally wrong way to go about things.in my opinion we are still suffering from the referees mafia and all the dubious decisions because of him,total lack of respect,respect is earned, not given, neil.

 

[super_pig]

not to mention his utterly classless comments about van Persie.. cringeworthy
>we are still suffering from the referees mafia and all the dubious decisions because of him
i've been banging on about this for ages