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I don't think nobody doesn't rate him, he pulls off some great stops but he lacks a presence and that will be through a lack of experience. He isn't what we need in a relegation fight.
 
Mcginn didn't impress today. Screwed up a short corner, some poor passing which causes our attack to break down and puts the opposition on the front foot.
I'm fed up with him, he's playing consistently poor, making Doyle look good, get Coady on for him.
 
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At fault for the 2nd.....and as usual totally oblivious to the danger at the end ....stayed on his line when he should have come out and collected....and could quite easily have led to a penalty and red card as he put Maguire in real trouble. I've lost count of his mistakes in the last couple of seasons and he creates panic in front of him by being half asleep most of the time.

Yes Long is a young keeper but has now played in excess of 75 games for us and doesn't appear to be learning very fast.
 
Lacking a leader out there
We are never going to get it with Doyle and I'm not going to go on about his game but he's no captain no leader.
Lack of concentration lack of discipline.

I'm one of Doyle's biggest critics on this forum but that result today was nothing to do with him. He had a very good game so your comment is totally misplaced,
 
Long wasn't at fault for the second. He came to collect it and it took a deflection. Very good performance today and we were very unlucky not to win. They got two lucky goals and we had a lot of close calls.
 
Its not that goal ,its his performance game after game. We always had good keepers up to Paddy ,since then it has been a major problem. He needs a rest , maybe he will come back stronger. For me he will never have enough presence and that is a massive part of being a keeper.

I wonder how much presence Tracey, Kenny and Kelly had when they were 20?

If we had an alternative (we don't), I'd take him out of the firing line for a short while.

Think he was slightly at fault for 2nd but people who are saying he should've come and claimed the ball in are totally ignoring it was a fantastic free kick. His error was that when he threw himself to one side, he picked the wrong way.

McGinn's airshot which led to the free kick was a far worse error. Any contact at all would've put the ball out of play.
 
I'm one of Doyle's biggest critics on this forum but that result today was nothing to do with him. He had a very good game so your comment is totally misplaced,
Yes mentioning Doyle by name on today's game was misplaced he did well in a midfield battle with Gary Jones.
Basically what I was trying to we need leader in the mould of Morgan where we find one who knows?
To repeat myself I was just pissed off with the result not the performance we deserved much more.
 

Nay, not that bollocks again! Why do people keep trotting this shit out?

Probably because under Doyle entire tenure as Captain we have continually got worse. Every season we've finished lower than the previous.
 
Long wasn't at fault for the second. He came to collect it and it took a deflection. Very good performance today and we were very unlucky not to win. They got two lucky goals and we had a lot of close calls.

It took no deflection.
I wonder how much presence Tracey, Kenny and Kelly had when they were 20?

If we had an alternative (we don't), I'd take him out of the firing line for a short while.

Think he was slightly at fault for 2nd but people who are saying he should've come and claimed the ball in are totally ignoring it was a fantastic free kick. His error was that when he threw himself to one side, he picked the wrong way.

McGinn's airshot which led to the free kick was a far worse error. Any contact at all would've put the ball out of play.

Yes McGinn was at fault but once given it is Longs job to say how many he wants in the wall. There were two then Long must have indicated he only needed one. The ball played in the same would not have cleared the 2nd man. And yes i still think he should have done better once the ball was in. He seems insecure in many many situations and having played so many games at this level you would have thought that these insecurities would fade and they seem not to be.
 
Its not a leader we need its a decent team of players who take responsibility for their own actions rather than hiding.

There's the crux of it, all this talk of needing a leader is a bit lame. It's a team game and it's up to all eleven players on the pitch to get stuck in and earn their money. They're collectively responsible for the shit we're in and they all need to grow a pair to get us out of it.
 
Probably because under Doyle entire tenure as Captain we have continually got worse. Every season we've finished lower than the previous.
And that's as a result of his captaincy eh? I find this reasoning kind of oblique. I also can't for the life of me understand why more than one manager pays tribute to his leadership qualities and the job he does in midfield, they just wouldn't say that for the sake of it.
 
And that's as a result of his captaincy eh? I find this reasoning kind of oblique. I also can't for the life of me understand why more than one manager pays tribute to his leadership qualities and the job he does in midfield, they just wouldn't say that for the sake of it.

Just give it up Michael, I think we know who you are ;)
 
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Lacking a leader out there
We are never going to get it with Doyle and I'm not going to go on about his game but he's no captain no leader.
Lack of concentration lack of discipline.
If you see the photo on the front cover of the match programme you will realise that you have to put up with the idea that the undroppable is to carry on as captain for the rest of the season.
 
Probably because under Doyle entire tenure as Captain we have continually got worse. Every season we've finished lower than the previous.
Exactly, Doyle apologists in here remind me of the England cricket selectors who are still keeping their faith in Alistair Cook
 
And that's as a result of his captaincy eh? I find this reasoning kind of oblique. I also can't for the life of me understand why more than one manager pays tribute to his leadership qualities and the job he does in midfield, they just wouldn't say that for the sake of it.
Except for the present manager, the previous managers who praised Doyle have since got the boot
 
And that's as a result of his captaincy eh? I find this reasoning kind of oblique. I also can't for the life of me understand why more than one manager pays tribute to his leadership qualities and the job he does in midfield, they just wouldn't say that for the sake of it.

I'd never be so daft as to suggest it's entirely or even mostly down to Doyle's Captaincy but it is just about the only consistent on pitch factor during his time with us. His CV with us is a long list of failure and all the managers he's played under (bar Clough) have failed so I'm not sure I'd put too much weight in their words. Our mental strength, the way we end seasons, have been abysmal in the whole time Doyle has been with us. He's Captain, he's supposed to help prevent this sort of thing.
 
Except for the present manager, the previous managers who praised Doyle have since got the boot

The big problem is that all the Blades managers that Doyle has played under have seen him as the best leader we've got.

How bad is the squad mentally?

Chucking away the lead in the last three league games answers that.

Its a long road to 51 points.

Still the loan window opens in Feb.
 

Exactly, Doyle apologists in here remind me of the England cricket selectors who are still keeping their faith in Alistair Cook
Why are we apologists Silent? I judge each player in each game we play on that merit, nothing to do with apologist mentality. Quite simply, Doyle played well yesterday and has been (imo) probably our most consistent player this season. When he's crap I'll cast him as so. Too many people pre judge players because of their dislike and fail to see individual performances in the true light.
Jamie Murphy has never been a favourite of mine, but yesterday he gave their full back a torrid afternoon, well done to him and I hope he keeps it up. You seem incapable of similar attitude when it comes to Michael Doyle,
 

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