View From Clough

[judge]

Best example is the guy( jhon cross ?)who reports on arsenal pretty much exclusively and could find a positive in 99-0 defeat

Must be on a cushy number at the enirates

 

[HillmortonBlade]

This is a problem with sports journalism in general. An obvious example is the Lance Armstrong business where only a couple of journalists were doing their job.

Any journalism where there are dedicated journos working with an organisation, relationships form and a tendency for institutionalization. And as it's their livelihood and status, not wanting to rock the boat too bad. Like crime reporters as well, relying on good will of officers/PR types to feed them info. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Having said that, I don't think we do too badly, and most of the interesting stuff on the backs of today's newspapers will be taken out of context anyway.

 

[Chezzy Blades]

The only issue I take with Clough's interviews is that i've never heard him admit he's got the tactics wrong.

First half today we were 2-0 down at half time because the midfield of Reed, Doyle and Holt got overrun and outplayed by Oldham. Clough sent those three out and should have known they wouldn't work as a three. Occasionally, it is his selections that cost us but instead he just blames the striker missing chances of the keeper for not making saves.

 

[sitwell]

The only issue I take with Clough's interviews is that i've never heard him admit he's got the tactics wrong.

First half today we were 2-0 down at half time because the midfield of Reed, Doyle and Holt got overrun and outplayed by Oldham. Clough sent those three out and should have known they wouldn't work as a three. Occasionally, it is his selections that cost us but instead he just blames the striker missing chances of the keeper for not making saves.

Agree with you in a way and privately he will know his mistakes. But to admit them undermines his strength as a manager over the players ,if the players take control you are fucked ,same in the workplace ,a little bit of power goes a long way. You wont hear Mourinho ,Ferguson , Wenger etc admit to many mistakes.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Are they?

I thought they were Radio Sheffield, then we get (dripfed) edited snippets on the youtube channel, with BladesPlayer subscribers getting the whole thing, which also appears on RS's audioboom channel.

It's the audioboom stuff that makes me think it's not in house.

https://audioboom.com/channel/football-heaven

If that's the case William, my mistake. Thing is, if it is Radio Sheffield who are responsible for the interviews it only adds weight to the idea that there's something odd going on. RS wouldn't collude in anything that wasn't professionally above board. Much to the chagrin of those who see issues where none exist, especially when you consider how much licence has been given to the idea (nonsense) that RS has a problem with SUFC.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Of course, I I Y B you are correct, in that all clubs, will put a positive spin on their 'PRODUCT. I do wish however, that Blades men and women would ignore 'PROFESSIONAL,internet opinions , make up their own minds , based on what they have seen , and do their best to get us over the line. IMO negative comments that will be ignored by the club and do nothing to enhance our efforts on the field to gain promotion are useless
. They are counter productive..
Why don't we stop in fighting and get 100 % behind the team? Just for a few games chaps.?

That's about the long and short of it Sirius. I doubt there's a club who doesn't share this malady of internal aggravation between fans. In one respect it's healthy and should be encouraged, but as we've seen on here, sometimes the preposterous seems to grab hold of a poster, and before we know it another nonsense discussion/argument is under way. It's as if certain behaviour patterns seem acceptable to said posters, when in fact this level of aggression really does require policing, or at least the poster's should be prepared to accept constructive advice about the way they behave.

I'm almost inclined to suggest that being part of a forum brings about a change of personality in certain posters, and what we see is unpleasantness taken to levels that would be unacceptable in most other walks of life. Either that, or the posters in question really do have personality issues that require lengthy and in-depth help.

 

[Dkc]

Why should Clough tell us everything that happens behind the scenes with players? We are there to support the team and not analyse working relationships.

As for the players you mentioned? JCR was in a poor run of form and wasn't getting a game. He is now getting match practice and is now on a 24 hour recall. If he came back he still wouldn't be starting so I can't see the problem.
How do you know Collins wasn't injured? If he wasn't, there wasn't actually been a queue of clubs after him in the transfer window. His stint early in the season showed that his legs were going and if he came back he would be about 5th choice centre half at best and rightly so

Adams is a kid who is learning his trade. Despite his two goals against Spurs he has clearly shown he is not ready for regular 1st team football
Can't see any issues at all with the way he is being handled

I think some people will look for conspiracies when when there isn't any. On any team a manager will often protect what happens behind closed doors and sometimes doesn't play plays as they are out of form or don't rate them. They don't have to explain every decision to us

Maybe everything was hunky-dory with Collins, JCR and even Butler. I have my suspicians, but they are based on message board rumours. All I'm pointing out is that journos are ignoring topics such as these and concentrating on more club-friendly questions.

As for Adams "clearly shown[ing] he is not ready for regular 1st team football" I'm not sure when that occurred. I do know that he has clearly showed he can work as an impact sub and score goals against one of the best teams in the country.

This is a problem with sports journalism in general. An obvious example is the Lance Armstrong business where only a couple of journalists were doing their job.

Most people in the cycling world knew Lance was doping since about 1999. Trouble was, he had the UCI in his back pocket and threatenet to sue the shit out of any newspaper of media outlet that made public allegations - see http://www.businessinsider.com/new-...verning-body-protected-lance-armstrong-2015-3

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

If that's the case William, my mistake. Thing is, if it is Radio Sheffield who are responsible for the interviews it only adds weight to the idea that there's something odd going on. RS wouldn't collude in anything that wasn't professionally above board. Much to the chagrin of those who see issues where none exist, especially when you consider how much licence has been given to the idea (nonsense) that RS has a problem with SUFC.

Tbh I don't know for sure, I.was.using my powers.of deductive reasoning. That doesn't always work out.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Maybe everything was hunky-dory with Collins, JCR and even Butler. I have my suspicians, but they are based on message board rumours. All I'm pointing out is that journos are ignoring topics such as these and concentrating on more club-friendly questions.

As for Adams "clearly shown[ing] he is not ready for regular 1st team football" I'm not sure when that occurred. I do know that he has clearly showed he can work as an impact sub and score goals against one of the best teams in the country.



Most people in the cycling world knew Lance was doping since about 1999. Trouble was, he had the UCI in his back pocket and threatenet to sue the shit out of any newspaper of media outlet that made public allegations - see http://www.businessinsider.com/new-...verning-body-protected-lance-armstrong-2015-3

Afaik there was only really David Walsh doing his job. The rest were cheerleading. Plenty of the peloton knew.or had strong suspicions, but the issue under discussion is the journalists.

Having supported the interviews generally, I do think it's a fair point that the CH is an elephant in the room.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I really like his interviews. I think he's calm, honest, generally clear-sighted, and thinks about what he says.

Off the top of my head I can't think of a better manager-as-interviewee.

But...there is the ability to talk a good game, so, of course, what actually happens on the park is fairly important as well

I also like the Clough interviews , which to me are always balanced and level headed whatever the result . Clough does get exited and frustrated when watching the match , so the emotions there , but never carried over to a interview in full . His way in interviews are straight forward and never ducks a issue. He does use a lot of common sense , and appears to have a professional approach . He may have a dig at certain players , but so what . Honesty is the best policy .

Us fans get exited with joy or pissed off , whether we win , lose or draw . At least he try's and steadies the ship , and is open , as a manager can be .

UTB

 

[wizadry]

As for the players you mentioned? JCR was in a poor run of form and wasn't getting a game.

How can you possibly be in a poor run of form if you're not getting a game?

Even if he was on a poor run of form as you say, then we would have had 20 odd players sent out on loan at that point if that was the case.

 

[bartman]

How can you possibly be in a poor run of form if you're not getting a game?

Even if he was on a poor run of form as you say, then we would have had 20 odd players sent out on loan at that point if that was the case.

In leaue games he had been totally in effective for weeks. His crosses left the crowd in more danger than the opposition defence and he had an annoying habit of trying to do one trick too many.

Him being on loan and regaining form elsewhere seems perfect sense to me

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

In leaue games he had been totally in effective for weeks. His crosses left the crowd in more danger than the opposition defence and he had an annoying habit of trying to do one trick too many.

Him being on loan and regaining form elsewhere seems perfect sense to me

As posted repeatedly myself and Foulkes Jr Sr paid particular attention to his crosses and they simply did not end up in the stands. The crosses went into good areas - which turned out not to be that good bc there were no Blades there.

FJS is of the opinion that Jam + Done = Goals bc the crosses were.often along the six yard line.

He might be right.

 

[wizadry]

In leaue games he had been totally in effective for weeks. His crosses left the crowd in more danger than the opposition defence and he had an annoying habit of trying to do one trick too many.

Him being on loan and regaining form elsewhere seems perfect sense to me

I'm not saying he shouldn't be on loan if he's not playing, i'm saying that if a player is out of form meaning he then has to go on loan, if the reason is this then he wouldn't have been the only player sent out as he was no where near as bad as some of our players at that point and would be better of on our bench as an impact player instead of playing for Notts County.

We have players like Che Adams on the bench who can't get on, maybe if JCR was here he could be used but then i don't know the full story, they might have fellout or he might have wanted first team football, either way the timing was strange and they never went into depth on why at that point he left and seen as though we are on the theme of interviews i just thought i'd mention it.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'm almost inclined to suggest that being part of a forum brings about a change of personality in certain posters

Clough certainly makes it less easy to live up to my name than Heath or Robson ever did.

 

[Dkc]

Afaik there was only really David Walsh doing his job. The rest were cheerleading. Plenty of the peloton knew.or had strong suspicions, but the issue under discussion is the journalists.
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Don't want to go off on a tangent but plenty of other journos wrote about Lance's doping besides Walsh, though Walsh was the most prominent in the UK - French, Italian, German and Danish journos all had their teeth into Lance back in the 2000's

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Don't want to go off on a tangent but plenty of other journos wrote about Lance's doping besides Walsh, though Walsh was the most prominent in the UK - French, Italian, German and Danish journos all had their teeth into Lance back in the 2000's

Fairy Nuff but being English based I wasn't aware of these, either at the time, or in the subsequent fall out.