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[Selly]

I think I agree with that idea about banning penalty rebounds.

I'm not sure i have an opinion either way TBH - it isn't something I've ever thought was a problem. It would mean you could dispense with the whole encroachment conversation. The rest of the players wouldn't have an incentive to get to the ball first - suspect that's the thinking here giv3s the ref one less thing to worry about.

Why only second yellow cards though? So a player could be sent off for two identical challenegs to an opponant, but because they were in a different order the opponents might stay on the pitch?

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I'm not sure i have an opinion either way TBH - it isn't something I've ever thought was a problem. It would mean you could dispense with the whole encroachment conversation. The rest of the players wouldn't have an incentive to get to the ball first - suspect that's the thinking here giv3s the ref one less thing to worry about.

Why only second yellow cards though? So a player could be sent off for two identical challenegs to an opponant, but because they were in a different order the opponents might stay on the pitch?

It's reducing the chance of a goal being scored though.
I have said it before VAR is looking for a reason to disallow every goal that's scored.
I go to a football match to be entertained and want to see goals scored, VAR is killing that and introducing that rule is reducing however small the chance of a goal being scored.

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

Any expansion of VAR is bad. Imagine waiting for 5 minutes for a decision to be taken on whether it’s a corner or a goal kick. It’d be even more ridiculous than after a goal.

The penalty rebound thing I can’t work out at all. What possible advantage is there? I’m not aware of there being major issues in preventing encroachment at the moment. There’s an assistant as well as the referee to keep an eye on things. It feels to me as if the authorities are trying to make the game as slow as possible, with as many stoppages as is feasible. A penalty is taken, it hits the woodwork or is saved. The ball is in open play. Why on earth would you stop the game? Just play.

If this goes ahead, logically it should apply to direct free kicks as well (what’s the difference? A penalty is just a direct free kick from the penalty spot). Then the next step is to apply it to all attempts on goal. Once the attempt is made, if a goal is not scored, the game stops and and re-starts with a goal kick to the opposition (once VAR has completed all its checks, that is). We need to do away with all this re-bound and counter-attack nonsense.

For me, one of the joys of football is that it’s free-flowing. It feels as if the aim now is to make it more like American football - a few seconds of action, then the games stops and we have many minutes of analysis, replays, reviews, time for adverts etc before getting a few more seconds of action.

I think the thinking is that TV companies like it that way, but it’s rubbish if you’re in the ground.

 

[steve26272]

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Why only second yellow cards though? So a player could be sent off for two identical challenegs to an opponant, but because they were in a different order the opponents might stay on the pitch?

2nd yellow is upheld so he walks, however he may claim the 1st wasn’t correct, so he’s still been harshly sent off. Whereas someone who’s 1st was right but 2nd is overturned stays on?

So do they then go back to the original yellow to overturn that, so only 2nd stands


Do they then review every yellow, and if that’s for totting up, where ref points to 3 or 4 minor offences that add up to a yellow, do they review each one to ensure each offence did happen


Fuckin bollox - they’ve just created a problem

 

[Selly]

2nd yellow is upheld so he walks, however he may claim the 1st wasn’t correct, so he’s still been harshly sent off. Whereas someone who’s 1st was right but 2nd is overturned stays on?

So do they then go back to the original yellow to overturn that, so only 2nd stands


Do they then review every yellow, and if that’s for totting up, where ref points to 3 or 4 minor offences that add up to a yellow, do they review each one to ensure each offence did happen


Fuckin bollox - they’ve just created a problem

Precisely my point.

Any expansion of VAR is bad.

Amen to that.

 

[Melbourne Blade]

The penalty rebound rule needs to come with a rule that if the penalty is saved, play stops and a goal kick is awarded? If the ball is still in play and the opposing teams scores a goal then surely that makes zero sense whatsoever? What if the keeper tips it around the post for a corner? Assume it'll still be a goal kick?

I read the rule is to classify penalties as a one off kick as any stupid accidental handball awarded penalties + a rebound gives an unfair advantage to the team awarded the penalty. It's just fucking mental

 

[Houston_Blade]

Needs to cover the least amount possible. Should be nothing subjective.
Just clear obvious officiating errors.

Like yes he dived. Or no he was fouled.
Or yes that was two footed etc.

Don't want it to be any real interpretation just things that are clear.

Onside/offside, in/out, goalie on line for pens and goal line tech. Apart from that it’s all subjective isn’t it?

 

[Dkc]

Football is entertainment. Overall, has VAR increased people's enjoyment of watching games? Or made games less enjoyable?

 

[JD88]

The only technology in football should be goal line and they should do something for offside, if a goal is scored, similar to what they do in cricket for LBW, make the assistant referee make the decision and allow 2 contests from a captain/manager during the game, and build in an umpires call type rule as the technology is not 100% accurate.
VAR in football doesn't work, and was never going to work. Too man decisions in football are subjective and ultimately changing one persons interpretation of the rules for someone else's interpretation, therefore you are re-refereeing games (they said this would never happen). Football would be far better without VAR.

What would make the standard of officiating better is too give the assistant referees more scope to make decisions. Currently they do next to nothing, you barely see them wave for a free kick when the are 2 yards away and have the best view. Give them more scope the officiating improves very quickly and would help the referees out hugely..

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Football is entertainment. Overall, has VAR increased people's enjoyment of watching games? Or made games less enjoyable?

Ahh, depends who you ask. The ones that matter sat in the stands, or the ones that VAR was introduced for sat in the armchair.

 

[brownblade]

The only technology in football should be goal line and they should do something for offside, if a goal is scored, similar to what they do in cricket for LBW, make the assistant referee make the decision and allow 2 contests from a captain/manager during the game, and build in an umpires call type rule as the technology is not 100% accurate.
VAR in football doesn't work, and was never going to work. Too man decisions in football are subjective and ultimately changing one persons interpretation of the rules for someone else's interpretation, therefore you are re-refereeing games (they said this would never happen). Football would be far better without VAR.

What would make the standard of officiating better is too give the assistant referees more scope to make decisions. Currently they do next to nothing, you barely see them wave for a free kick when the are 2 yards away and have the best view. Give them more scope the officiating improves very quickly and would help the referees out hugely..

Appeal system, yes. Been saying this all along. Manager or Captain gets 3 appeals per match. Most other things don't get checked. No delays.

 

[Large Mendonca]

The penalty rebound rule needs to come with a rule that if the penalty is saved, play stops and a goal kick is awarded? If the ball is still in play and the opposing teams scores a goal then surely that makes zero sense whatsoever? What if the keeper tips it around the post for a corner? Assume it'll still be a goal kick?

I read the rule is to classify penalties as a one off kick as any stupid accidental handball awarded penalties + a rebound gives an unfair advantage to the team awarded the penalty. It's just fucking mental

Regarding the penalty rebound rule, that would be a bonkers amendment. The reason a pen is given in the first place is to punish the opposing team for a foul - to me it's giving more power to the team in the wrong.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

My main issue with VAR is that it is supposed to be for clear and obvious errors. When Burrows scored against Sunderland the Sunderland fans didn't react, the Sunderland players didn't react. So how was that a clear and obvious error when no one in the stadium saw it, including the officials? Whether Vini impeded or not, no keeper was saving that shot. No one. The keeper didn't even have a chance to try to move out of Vini's way as the ball was in the net before he even realised he was being impeded.

When you spend more than two minutes replaying something over and over to see if you can spot something then it can't have been that obvious. Contentious offside decisions where a player is offside by one inch are not clear and obvious. But then I guess would teams be annoyed if the goal stood if the player was an inch offside? It's just gotten silly.

 

[Booker4]

Fuck VAR

Think that sums it up nicely in fairness.

VAR is for the likes of FIFA and that's about it. Definitely not for the fans.