VAR VAR POLL

[originaltrueblade]

Make Your Choice

 

[Carlton Blade]

Fuck VAR

 

[Akinbiyi]

None of those.

Keep it as it is but for offsides where you go with the original call. What’s the point of linesman otherwise?

VAR should only be used for clear and obvious errors. Not offsides.

 

[JackSUFC]

None of those.

Keep it as it is but for offsides where you go with the original call. What’s the point of linesman otherwise?

Exactly. Should be for clear and obvious errors missed by the ref or lino. The ‘offside’ goals us, Norwich and Wolves scored this weekend were not clear and obvious.

 

[anglian blade]

They should follow the cricket example. Only use VAR when one of the captains calls for it, and a maximum of 2 wrong calls to ensure its not used too often

 

[northsomersetblade]

Fuck VAR2

 

[Akinbiyi]

Exactly. Should be for clear and obvious errors missed by the ref or lino. The ‘offside’ goals us, Norwich and Wolves scored this weekend were not clear and obvious.

Brighton and Palace too. That’s just in one set of games.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Agree , clear and obvious only, 15 second time limit.
Maybe use for offside, if nearly instant, but change the rule, so it's 'thick lines' to allow a good few inches leeway.

 

[PokerBlade]

Exactly. Should be for clear and obvious errors missed by the ref or lino. The ‘offside’ goals us, Norwich and Wolves scored this weekend were not clear and obvious.

But then won't we just get bogged down in completely subjective discussions about whether a particular offence is in fact "clear and obvious"?

 

[Snake]

VAR does have a role. I would use it for penalties, red cards, goal line and where there has been a very clear and obvious mistake - eg when somebody is clearly a yard offside but the linesman has inexplicably missed it.

No more big toes, armpits or owt like that. Let's bring the raw emotion back to football

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Make Your Choice

Horseshit

 

[JackSUFC]

But then won't we just get bogged down in completely subjective discussions about whether a particular offence is in fact "clear and obvious"?

In the event of a potential offside goal scored, get the ref to look on the screen himself and if his immediate thought upon first glance is “that’s offside” then that’s clear and obvious and should be overturned by VAR.

Don’t take several minutes to draw dodgy lines to determine whether someone’s armpit hair is slightly offside. That isn’t clear and obvious.

 

[PokerBlade]

In the event of a potential offside goal scored, get the ref to look on the screen himself and if his immediate thought upon first glance is “that’s offside” then that’s clear and obvious and should be overturned by VAR.

Don’t take several minutes to draw dodgy lines to determine whether someone’s armpit hair is slightly offside. That isn’t clear and obvious.

And then after he misses something in his glance people will be saying "How is that not clear and obvious?" or "Why is that one clear and obvious but ours last week wasn't?".

 

[Bladesman]

Penalty decisions, bad fouls and off the ball incidents only. Also, allow the ref to view the screen.

It just is too picky to be used for offsides unless there is a change in the offside rule application.

Also, a completely new set of officials in the VAR room. Not the Premier League clique they have on rotation.

 

[Sheffsteel]

It’s a flawed poll.

VAR is potentially one of the most important assets to improve the game.
It just needs reviewing so that it’s implemented better....the current rules aren’t taking into account VAR, so the rules need tweaking.

Where’s the option for keeping it but improving the implementation?

People are making suggestions without examining the consequences,
Asking the ref to view a monitor is potentially a disaster....a prime example of this happened in the world club final.
The ref gave a last minute penalty to Liverpool....the Flamengo fans went mad and the Flamengo players were almost begging the ref to change his decision. It was the last minute so awarding a penalty was basically awarded the ref a win.....the pressure on the ref watching the video was immense.
The video was inconclusive....still looked a foul but slightly outside the area
and for some weird reason the ref changed his mind and said no foul.

With VAR the refs have receive much more respect as the ref can blame VAR.
If the ref is asked to watch a monitor then there will be all sorts of intimidation/ influencing the ref going on.
If fact refs will have no hiding place and will be accused of corruption if they make a wrong decision.

 

[CouchTatty]

For me technology should be used to give a definitive yes or no, penalty decisions are just a second opinion from someone far removed from the situation. That is when the ref should view a monitor or look at a tablet.
I think the use around offside is spot on, there must be a line between onside or off, I think the problem they have is where to draw that line. I think most would agree it should be weighted in the attackers favour.
Maybe they could create a separate system purely for offside, using GPS and sensors in the balls or something. Ref has a smartwatch and it says what player numbers are offside.
One things for sure the rules need changing to adapt to the new technology.

 

[Grey Blade]

Clear and obvious errors only. Otherwise scrap it

 

[Sheffsteel]

Clear and obvious errors only. Otherwise scrap it

but thats subjective....leading to more controversy.
what clear and obvious to one person is not clear and obvious to someone else.....who decides what’s clear and obvious.

Scrapping it means we go back to terrible/ clear mistakes...players diving trying to con refs, players constantly crowding around the ref trying to intimidate him.

 

[Whiston Blade]

Goal line & Penalty checks only but people will complain about that eventually too.

 

[JohnDenver]

And then after he misses something in his glance people will be saying "How is that not clear and obvious?" or "Why is that one clear and obvious but ours last week wasn't?".

People are so conditioned into ref-blaming that they can’t see that their fundamental complaint is unsolvable. It’s a flowing game governed largely by subjective calls. These calls still need to be made, and attempting to render it a science is destroying the joy of the game.

Instant decisions mean errors will happen. By all means mitigate it where you can, but too many people are yet to comprehend that the whole VAR shit show is because they couldn’t accept mistakes. Managers, players, fans, the media... They all brought the best sport in the world to this crappy place.

 

[TJ blade]

None of those.

Keep it as it is but for offsides where you go with the original call. What’s the point of linesman otherwise?

VAR should only be used for clear and obvious errors. Not offsides.

Correct. And then bin that useless twat Mike Riley!!

 

[CharlotteBlade]

lol obviously no one wants to keep it as it is - be interesting to see what the top clubs would vote for

 

[Sheffsteel]

For me technology should be used to give a definitive yes or no, penalty decisions are just a second opinion from someone far removed from the situation. That is when the ref should view a monitor or look at a tablet.
I think the use around offside is spot on, there must be a line between onside or off, I think the problem they have is where to draw that line. I think most would agree it should be weighted in the attackers favour.
Maybe they could create a separate system purely for offside, using GPS and sensors in the balls or something. Ref has a smartwatch and it says what player numbers are offside.
One things for sure the rules need changing to adapt to the new technology.

Agree....technology could provide massive benefits to the game.
Suspect this season is just teething problems....and in a few years VAR will be great for certain factual decisions and fully accepted.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Instant decisions mean errors will happen. By all means mitigate it where you can, but too many people are yet to comprehend that the whole VAR shit show is because they couldn’t accept mistakes. Managers, players, fans, the media... They all brought the best sport in the world to this crappy place.

Agree...there’s loads of hypocrisy amongst managers...fans etc.
In every game there are 50/50 subjective decisions.....the teams that doesn’t win that decision complains of unfairness.
The ref made a mistake (through bad luck) when he blocked off John Fleck...normally it would be no big deal..but Aguiro scored from it...shit happens..it was bad luck.
It seems that whatever happens....if your team loses....then the manager, fans, players look to blame someone, often the ref.
Where when a team wins....then notice how there’s hardly ever any criticism of the ref or VAR.

 

[We're back!]

None of the above. It'd be a start if we went with what's being dubbed as 'The Souness Law', then review from there.

 

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[HillmortonBlade]

It’s shite and an unnecessary addition to the game (I know the Sofa-Loving VAR Fanboys will disagree, but no fucks given). Not needed at non league, why is it so important for Premier League. Only thing it’s achieved is to make our referees even worse!

 

[Toronto Blade]

NHL has no problems with offsides it just uses the trailing foot on the line any other part of the body can be over the line.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Just make the offside lines thicker

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Mrs Numpty has a point when she tells me that it's partly a response to years of ref decisions being challenged by players, managers, pundits and (with less effect but more vocally) us fans. Sort of "be careful what you wish for ". Like many on here, I don't think VAR is the problem, it's the typical ham-fisted amateur way it's being used by the PL that's the problem. It should be used far more helpfully than for the current fad of micro-analysing offsides. Call me thick, but would it not be more helpful to use it to look at incidents where the ref gets "involved in play", an "inadvertent" goal is scored, and the resulting confusion/dim-wittedness by him and his "assistants" is analysed in the name of fair play? Or is that too simple and nice?